The Syndicate

in 3:49 am here im going to bed

tomorrow im reading golden's iso and the hood chat

i do not wish to read any more posts or discord messages that are pre-emptively blaming anyone for hypotethically being wrong

emotional terrorism (holding people hostage) does not belong in a honorable game of mafia

if you are gonna AtE do it the honorable way - call yourself garbage and bad. beg to be spared that way. dont include other people in it. defend yourself but dont attack with it.

-t

If Golden pulled that shit with SVS, that's some fucking balls

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:43 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:41 pm
Why did you say that I mentioned I said I thought you two would vote for each other but not include the not where I said ‘and I’m going to have to solve’

because the pertinent part of that is expecting dizzy and us to cross-vote, not the boilerplate you tagged on afterward (obviously you're going to say you have to solve between us. what are you going to do instead? say "and then I can just vote whoever and win gg"?)

Well, look. You’re the one who found lockclear evidence in the chat that I hadn’t even thought of

If you don’t think that is lockclear evidence and it’s faked, I can’t do anything about that.

You say dizzy has better mech. You have literal proof that I neighboured Alison on day one and the content of our discussion. I cannot do more to mech clear myself than that.

If you think it’s a massive con that Alison and I cooked together and tinfoil that, I can’t do anything with that.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:51 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

@Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Tue Feb 21, 2023 7:56 pm MARMOT IS REFUSING TO VOTE MAC SO THEY DONT DIE. THEY ARE IGNORING IT. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET AWAY WITH HUMOR BY SELF-VOTING

MARMOT IS OUTED WOLF

I had the exact same reaction here

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:51 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

this was written by sheep

he's a nerd coming from AOPS (art of problem solving)

he's just awkward like that i dunno

-t

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:51 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Feb 27, 2023 7:56 pm The Party Crasher account's vote will remain on SVS

Why is this post still bothering me so much

this was written by sheep

he's a nerd coming from AOPS (art of problem solving)

he's just awkward like that i dunno

-t

Oh. That's actually maybe reassuring. I don't know.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:49 pm in 3:49 am here im going to bed

tomorrow im reading golden's iso and the hood chat

i do not wish to read any more posts or discord messages that are pre-emptively blaming anyone for hypotethically being wrong

emotional terrorism (holding people hostage) does not belong in a honorable game of mafia

if you are gonna AtE do it the honorable way - call yourself garbage and bad. beg to be spared that way. dont include other people in it. defend yourself but dont attack with it.

-t

It’s not ate, I apologise for it coming across that way.

I will be disappointed at how today is playing out. If you want to talk honour, I am incredibly shocked to see what you have done with neighbourhood chat, just posting your own angle on it in here without further questioning or mentioning it in there in advance.

Problem is reading into PC's reactions to other mafia is dubious if they are lost wolf anyway. But then I don't know if there has to be a lost wolf.

So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:52 pm @Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

I think it could be either of you, and the way PC has handled being neighboured is alarming to me.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

It really wasn’t like that. It was just an honest statement of how I was feeling… more likely you than them, but they are the ones where neighbouring is more helpful for me to get a better read.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:52 pm @Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

I think it could be either of you, and the way PC has handled being neighboured is alarming to me.

Well, you can take your time. I might go to bed soon, but interested in every bit of thought you have.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

It really wasn’t like that. It was just an honest statement of how I was feeling… more likely you than them, but they are the ones where neighbouring is more helpful for me to get a better read.

Why is that? If you suspect me more, why not neighbour me?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:59 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:52 pm @Golden Please talk to me. I want to hear more about how you think it's possible that I'm mafia, and how you think it's not possible that it's PC

I think it could be either of you, and the way PC has handled being neighboured is alarming to me.

Well, you can take your time. I might go to bed soon, but interested in every bit of thought you have.

I’m gonna take the full 48 hours.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:59 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:58 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:57 pm So my theory was that maybe Golden had said that they suspected me to PC to bait them. But that didn't pan out.

It really wasn’t like that. It was just an honest statement of how I was feeling… more likely you than them, but they are the ones where neighbouring is more helpful for me to get a better read.

Why is that? If you suspect me more, why not neighbour me?

I don’t think I’d get a better read on you by neighbouring you. If anything, I think I’d be less likely to detect if you’re wolf, I’d let you pocket me.

Tbh I think if I was wolf I probably would have neighboured you lol but who can say for sure.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:55 pm
I will be disappointed at how today is playing out. If you want to talk honour, I am incredibly shocked to see what you have done with neighbourhood chat, just posting your own angle on it in here without further questioning or mentioning it in there in advance.

all posts regarding what you've said in the neighbourhood have been made by syn

let's assess these "my own angle" claims:

1. you took issue with me using the word tinfoil
-- I cannot prove you are lying because doing so would break the rules and get us mod-killed. dizzy has to make a decision for themself what to believe. but i will say i am comfortable with stating you used the word tinfoil

2. you took issue with me not including the additional tidbit that you "have to solve between us" when i posted that you want dizzy and us to cross-vote
-- I explained why I didn't, and I feel the logic stands up to scrutiny

furthermore... why exactly would we tell you what we're about to do? I know you tried to tie us together by neighbourizing us, but we're not beholden or accountable to you. you are welcome to post your opinion about what we've said in neighbourhood chat! dizzy would love to know!

Why is this happening to me

I would actually like to know what's been going on in the chat

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:06 pm I would actually like to know what's been going on in the chat

there was some nitpicking about golden's role (theming/flavour/town utility), and golden also made an additional role claim (lol) but tutuu posted up thread that they want to keep it hidden for a while longer and I guess I will respect that (though I have no idea why)

also an insistence that we read chat history, which I think tutuu and sheep are doing/have done. I myself read golden's interactions with alison and saw enough.

syn is a free elf and has been given permission to reveal the extra role claim

golden claims people within the neighbourhood cannot shoot each other

so the full claim at this point is something like:

1. creates neighbourhood every night
2. redirects kills onto someone else in neighbourhood
3. can choose to protect someone in neighbourhood
4. people within neighbourhood cannot shoot each other

I have not been holding back the existence of the additional part of my role claim in this thread. I’ve alluded to it several times.

May as well just say it here, neighbours can’t shoot neighbours.

I don't know how that piece of information is supposed to change anything for me

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:18 pm syn is a free elf and has been given permission to reveal the extra role claim

golden claims people within the neighbourhood cannot shoot each other

so the full claim at this point is something like:

1. creates neighbourhood every night
2. redirects kills onto someone else in neighbourhood
3. can choose to protect someone in neighbourhood
4. people within neighbourhood cannot shoot each other

Three doesn’t exist and 2 is a single kill and isn’t a controlled redirection.

And none of the protections operate if the kill would end the game.

WAIT.

How did you bait Alison to shoot you if she can't shoot you being in the naighbourhood @Golden

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:22 pm WAIT.

How did you bait Alison to shoot you if she can't shoot you being in the naighbourhood @Golden

LOL

Eagerly awaiting the answer

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:22 pm WAIT.

How did you bait Alison to shoot you if she can't shoot you being in the naighbourhood @Golden

The ‘neighbours can’t shoot neighbours’ applies amongst the rest of the group… I needed to get to having two others in the chat before it took effect.

The rule that relates to me is that on the first cycle where I was targeted for a kill, members of my neighbourhood up to the number of kills I was targeted for would die in my place.

Otherwise, I would die.

That's such a complicated role. Like what

So basically it’s:

You can neighbour people:
This rule applies to kill attempts on you
This rule applies to kill attempts on your neighbours.

The exception that if it would end the game was debited by a footnote with a little ^. This stood out to me because I would use a *

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:28 pm That's such a complicated role. Like what

I know! And this seems to be the basis of suspicion on me but, like, I can’t control that!

Nor can I, by the way, make up my role name. I just can’t.

I've said it before, but whatever alignment you both have, I'm impressed. This is top tier mafia play.

I'm going to sleep and try to not think about the game.

Oh I just found where I used the word tinfoil. It was yesterday after the flip when I was making my selection of you vs pc. So I concede I did in fact say it, it just wasn’t part of todays convo.

Also as far as me ‘insisting’ PC read back… it was hardly that. It was a response to tutuu’s disbelief that they hadn’t solved the game at me being two-shot and me actually truthfully having tried to neighbour all the people I said. It was literally just me saying ‘I did target those people, honest’.

I did not push turn to read back and I’m not going to comment on their interpretation of what they find there. That’s for them.

hiiiiiiiiiiii

Diference check on golden/dizzy tbh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:35 pm I've said it before, but whatever alignment you both have, I'm impressed. This is top tier mafia play.

I'm going to sleep and try to not think about the game.

This is how I feel too

guys tutuu just got a role PM and one of the hydra heads is actually the last mafia. Sorry about that. (This is not serious)

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:56 pm guys tutuu just got a role PM and one of the hydra heads is actually the last mafia. Sorry about that. (This is not serious)

Cue nanook actually having a ‘last head standing’ contest.

I have a good idea that is sure not to fail in any way shape or form, and that's why I'm not telling any of you.

Hey PC

Since you refused to tell me in chat.

Why don’t you honestly say what’s up with your role. It either says lylo or it protects you from nk/contests etc, not both.

Which is it?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:00 pm Hey PC

Since you refused to tell me in chat.

Why don’t you honestly say what’s up with your role. It either says lylo or it protects you from nk/contests etc, not both.

Which is it?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:12 pm Our role just says that the first time we die, we dont

We had to clarify extra from that, if it works for chop. Then, we found out it doesnt work in lylo

-t

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:00 pmGolden is apparently thinking I'm the wolf. If Golden thinks this and PC knows that, why not go with it and get me chopped? Unless they already posted in thread it was Golden?

The answer to this is that I was quite clear in the neighbourhood that I was considering both of you and was going to do my due diligence and not hammer so I don’t think in any world they actually believed I’d made my mind up.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:05 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:00 pm Hey PC

Since you refused to tell me in chat.

Why don’t you honestly say what’s up with your role. It either says lylo or it protects you from nk/contests etc, not both.

Which is it?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:12 pm Our role just says that the first time we die, we dont

We had to clarify extra from that, if it works for chop. Then, we found out it doesnt work in lylo

-t

What do you mean you ‘found out’?

Are you suggesting it’s not on your role card?

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:09 pm Are you suggesting it’s not on your role card?

the condition (doesn't work in lylo) was given to us separately from the role card

so yes, it is not explicitly written in our role card

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:49 pm If Golden pulled that shit with SVS, that's some fucking balls

I just wouldn’t

For me to be wolf this game I have to have fucking balls all over the place.

I have to neighbouring my own teammate… why? What’s the point? (Bet every answer to this could be met with why that’s low-percentage and obviously a bad move with even a little bit of thought and strategy).

I have to be party to two wolf kills on people I was targeting for neighbouring. Why? What’s the wolf upside there?

I have to boldly have saved svs in the thread, a move I only made after she claimed 3p when I’d otherwise called her anti-town all fake. Why abandon it when it would have been a perfect bus?

To believe I’m wolf is to believe I’ve created a massive wifom long con by doing a pile of low-percentage moves. Everyone here at endgame talking about how the wolf is playing a good wolf game, but the simple reality is if I’m wolf I have played a shit wolf game.

If I’m wolf neighbouriser im using it to build a towncore, I’m not publicly outing that I redirect a kill just because I’m not trying to learn if sig truly targeted me or Alison (what a strange move that would have been). Missing two neighbour shots on the wolf kills and losing that opportunity to influence the thread would be suicidally poor play.

I say the evidence I’m town is in the thread because it is. I’m only not town cleared because of paranoia.

I have said this so many tiles in the game but I think it is really clear and I think isoing me carefully and properly and doing due diligence reveals it to be true. A view that I am wolf cannot be sustained on the evidence. I do not think it is possible for other townies to reach the view I am wolf if they do the work. It just doesn’t make sense in any world.