Tree Mafia [GAME OVER]

#1351

Why are you asking me to elaborate on something I already commented on (and linked to you just a few hours ago)?

#1352

sig wrote:SO hello hello I have an epicly (is that a word) big post since I'm FZ and have the role info ignore me saying FZ is bad I'm not going through my post to edit it since it isright know 15 pages long with 6 more in game pages to go. I will summarize it of course and a good portion is quotes, but I think i've got the scum team down, getting FZ role is acutully very helpful orginally I was thinking JJJ/FZ/Diiny with FZ gone either Mac/Floyd/Motel

sig, this was your first post after replacing in. If you had to name your top three suspects now, who would they be and why?

#1353

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I could lynch one player right now, I think it'd be sig. I'm going to ISO him right now though; I've lost interest in Mac. I do not want to lynch Mac today.

Of course not. You, Mac, and Diiny, right?

#1354

Epignosis wrote:Why are you asking me to elaborate on something I already commented on (and linked to you just a few hours ago)?

Because I don't fully understand your train of thought.

Epignosis wrote: On two of three occasions, MP and MacDougall both voted in a way that could keep Diiny from being lynched.

Ordinarily, one might think Mafia MP would throw Diiny under the bus, but without knowing the state of the existence of a doctor, the Mafia would surmise that lynching 3J would put them on the fast track to the final stage.

Four confirmed civilians have voted Diiny over the span of three Days.

TheFloyd73 has voted Diiny early every Day. I am struggling to understand how Floyd, with a team, would continue to do that- because if we're going by Talking Heads, I did not see that kind of voting from him. For that reason, and the fact that 3J ended up civilian, I don't see Floyd being on a team. I see him coasting in a genuine manner.

More later. Supper and band practice now.

You say that you struggle how he would continue to do that, but the only reasons you provide are:
- He did not vote continually for one player in Talking Heads.
- JJJ flipped civilian.

I'm missing some piece of what leads you to conclude Floyd is town based on these three facts:
1) Floyd is continually voting for Diiny, with little substantive elaboration.
2) He did not vote continually for one player in Talking Heads.
3) JJJ flipped civilian.

Re: 1), this is compatible with either alignment. It's too WIFOMy to decide how Floyd would vote if he did or did not have a team just based on consistently voting for one player over and over again. It's partially dependent on Diiny's alignment.

2) While this is a notable observation, Floyd's first game was Talking Heads, and he's had games to develop since then, and Talking Heads was a very different game than this one. I don't think this is enough to clear Floyd's behavior from a mafia perspective.

3) I understand your arguments for linking JJJ and Floyd, but again, I don't see how this connects with 1) exactly so that you reach your conclusion of "I don't think Floyd has a team."

#1355

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If I could lynch one player right now, I think it'd be sig. I'm going to ISO him right now though; I've lost interest in Mac. I do not want to lynch Mac today.
Of course not. You, Mac, and Diiny, right?

Sell me on Mac then, if you think he is the best way to go. I'm listening, but I see his Day 1-2 content and I don't see a mafia member.

And no, nice try, I'm civilian.

#1356

Diiny, get your ass in here. Your life (and potentially the game) is on the line. If you really are a civilian, you should be hunting the fuck out of this thread right now.

#1357

sig wrote:Quick thought Mac is calling Floyd inexperienced, I disagree compared to some of you yes, but if we are comparing like that then I'm also inexperenced and should be able to get out of lynched/posting. He has played what four games know? Two as scum I believe? If this is the case then he has two game including his first with more experienced players to help him and answer questions and then another scum game same thing and two civ games. No cutting slack for the "nooby" especially since this isn't game 1 for him. Also for the BTSC thought ik this for afact since my first game I was a lover and having a chat was helpful and I'd think a mafia chat was extra helpful since more then one player to help you and have a vested interest in you.

sig, what do you think of Floyd now? I don't recall seeing you pursue suspicion of him.

#1358

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If I could lynch one player right now, I think it'd be sig. I'm going to ISO him right now though; I've lost interest in Mac. I do not want to lynch Mac today.
Of course not. You, Mac, and Diiny, right?
Sell me on Mac then, if you think he is the best way to go. I'm listening, but I see his Day 1-2 content and I don't see a mafia member.

And no, nice try, I'm civilian.

So: You don't suspect Mac. You don't suspect Diiny. You don't suspect Floyd.

Presumably you don't suspect yourself.

Congratulations! You have the Mafia team figured out!

#1359

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:If I could lynch one player right now, I think it'd be sig. I'm going to ISO him right now though; I've lost interest in Mac. I do not want to lynch Mac today.
Of course not. You, Mac, and Diiny, right?
Sell me on Mac then, if you think he is the best way to go. I'm listening, but I see his Day 1-2 content and I don't see a mafia member.

And no, nice try, I'm civilian.
So: You don't suspect Mac. You don't suspect Diiny. You don't suspect Floyd.

Presumably you don't suspect yourself.

Congratulations! You have the Mafia team figured out!

That's... not how it works.

I also was denying my existence on a team, not Mac or Diiny's existence.

#1360

How's it work?

#1361

Epignosis wrote:How's it work?

Mafia is not black and white. It's not as if I'm 100% clearing anyone if I "don't suspect" them. I suspect everyone to varying degrees, but I suspect Mac the least, and therefore am not endorsing his lynch at the moment.

#1362

For the love of god, where is everyone?

#1363

sig wrote:quotes got all messed upsome of myresponses are in quotes?

So top scum reads
JJJ
Floyd
Scum Lean
Mac
Diiny
Zebra
Civ lean
Epi

sig, can you update this list for me?

#1364

MovingPictures07 wrote:For the love of god, where is everyone?

In your chat room?

Oh wait its day nvm

#1365

MovingPictures07 wrote:For the love of god, where is everyone?

That's what I'm asking in another game. Two actually.

#1366

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:For the love of god, where is everyone?
In your chat room?

Oh wait its day nvm

I wish I had a chatroom.

#1367

MovingPictures07 wrote:Diiny, talk to me about why we should lynch Floyd over anyone else.

He's the one I'm most sure is scum, he's obviously avoiding confrontation, refusing to elaborate on reads and I don't see a townie reason for him to be doing that at lylo. I'm aware he's a new player and claims inconfidence but there's no reason not to answer a basic question that everyone wants you to answer unless you don't want town to win. I don't and can't see anyone who wants town to win when I read his PH.

I'm responding to things as I go through the thread, I was skimmed through whilst playing bloodborne earlier

#1368

Diiny wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Diiny, talk to me about why we should lynch Floyd over anyone else.
He's the one I'm most sure is scum, he's obviously avoiding confrontation, refusing to elaborate on reads and I don't see a townie reason for him to be doing that at lylo. I'm aware he's a new player and claims inconfidence but there's no reason not to answer a basic question that everyone wants you to answer unless you don't want town to win. I don't and can't see anyone who wants town to win when I read his PH.

I'm responding to things as I go through the thread, I was skimmed through whilst playing bloodborne earlier

About damn time.

#1369

Diiny wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Diiny, talk to me about why we should lynch Floyd over anyone else.
He's the one I'm most sure is scum, he's obviously avoiding confrontation, refusing to elaborate on reads and I don't see a townie reason for him to be doing that at lylo. I'm aware he's a new player and claims inconfidence but there's no reason not to answer a basic question that everyone wants you to answer unless you don't want town to win. I don't and can't see anyone who wants town to win when I read his PH.

I'm responding to things as I go through the thread, I was skimmed through whilst playing bloodborne earlier

Do you feel as though you could be biased because you're the one he's continually voting with little substantiation?

#1370

sig wrote:MP voted for me, I'm going to revert to my tried and true baddie hunting strategy.
The first person to push my lynch/vote for me is scum.
So who wants to cfd MP with me?

What does cfd mean? You have no excuse not to look at everyone on lylo tbh

linki: he could've tunneled anyone else incessantly and without explanation and I'd feel similarly. Obviously can't account for UNDERLYING SUBCONSCIOUS FACTORS but it's bad regardless who he tunneled.

#1371

sig wrote:On a more serious note I'll read over MPand Epi.

thank god. still though why not anyone else?

#1372

Diiny wrote:
sig wrote:MP voted for me, I'm going to revert to my tried and true baddie hunting strategy.
The first person to push my lynch/vote for me is scum.
So who wants to cfd MP with me?
What does cfd mean? You have no excuse not to look at everyone on lylo tbh

linki: he could've tunneled anyone else incessantly and without explanation and I'd feel similarly. Obviously can't account for UNDERLYING SUBCONSCIOUS FACTORS but it's bad regardless who he tunneled.

CFD = Chinese fire drill, it means a mass moving of votes to one player without much prior precedent.

#1373

Diiny, let's say Floyd was off the poll. Then who would you like to lynch?

#1374

MovingPictures07 wrote:CFD = Chinese fire drill, it means a mass moving of votes to one player without much prior precedent.

Total civilian behavior.

#1375

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:CFD = Chinese fire drill, it means a mass moving of votes to one player without much prior precedent.
Total civilian behavior.

I know, right? They should name it TCB.

#1376

Sarcasm, by the way, since I don't believe any behavior is inherently civilian...just poking fun of those who do.

#1377

Still not moving my vote.

#1378

Epignosis wrote:Still not moving my vote.

Well, I feel pretty nervous about this potential result then, because I think it would be a mislynch.

#1379

I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.

#1380

I have to eat, I'll be back afterward though until EoD.

#1381

Also, if people who are less likely to be scummy imo are in the lead, I'd push my alternative because I don't a mislynch, effectively defending those reads. This is basic, isn't it?

#1382

Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.

My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.

#1383

motel room wrote:I dunno, I think Mac's town. That bit before where he was concerned about my "shenanigans" voting off-bandwagon when he thought there was less than an hour left doesn't seem like something a scum would be concerned about. and I think it seemed legit, not staged.

his apology seems legit too.

I really don't know how or why his vote's on me. Adding him to the list of people that really aughtta explain themselves.

#1384

Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.
My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.

why am I bad epi

#1385

Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.
My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.
why am I bad epi

Because somebody has to be.

#1386

Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.
My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.
why am I bad epi
Because somebody has to be.

Why am I more likely to be, and why are you being coy at lylo.

#1387

Also

Diiny wrote:What prevented you from thinking that floyd was 'coasting in a genuine manner' when you saw him as scummy enough that you were demanding his lynch exclusively? Floyd's votes last game weren't anything to write home about either. He had a team then. They weren't as disgustingly tunnely but they were just as shallow and meaningless.

#1388

motel room wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
motel room wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
motel room wrote:there's a lot of little separate shit going on that I want to get my head around but I'm somewhere like this right now:

MacDougall
MovingPictures07
Epignosis
sig
a2thezebra
TheFloyd73
JaggedJimmyJay
Diiny
If this is the case, then why isn't motel room voting for Diiny right now, and why for his 3rd top read?
that was then, this is now. And I see you've put some work into casing Epi too so are you even suss of me for where my vote is right now?
I'm ISOing Epi. What does that have to do with my feelings for you?

Yes, I'm suspicious of it.

Can you provide a new reads list? Or, if not, would you mind telling me what has changed between then and now which has caused your flip in opinion on Diiny versus Epi?

Who would you ideally like to lynch today and why?
Because of his flip. i'm worried that if Diiny ends up being town the fake votes today would surely be directed at him and an out of nowhere reversal in that direction with not much to back it up is that, spot on.

I don't understand this post, can you clarify? I've tried to read it a bunch of times. Also you dodged the question of who you'd ideally like to lynch today

#1389

Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.
My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.
why am I bad epi
Because somebody has to be.
Why am I more likely to be, and why are you being coy at lylo.

You've been saved twice. Four civilians voted you in the span of three Days. I'm honoring the wishes of the dead in hope that I'm not the only civilian dumbass this time around.

And stop saying "lylo." Not only is it a silly word, but

Metalmarsh89 wrote:As a reminder, votes are still changeable today, because this is not a LYLO situation.

#1390

MovingPictures07 wrote: ...I still suspect sig because I suspected FZ. (though sig has warranted some movement up the list)

When did you decide you didn't like sig's crowd pleasing behaviour anymore?

#1391

Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Diiny wrote:I've just gone through the chat epi and MP had and I I feel like epi asks questions for the hell of it rather than to push/bait/get a read on MP.

Epi, I think you understand that because you think someone's town it doesn't mean their reads are correct. I think you also understood that MP understood that. That's just one of the questions that felt forced to me and the importance of which I don't particularly understand. Also, epi, you still haven't elaborated on your stance for me. Why not?

linki: it would be a mislynch.
My stance on you is you're bad and should be eliminated now. I think I've said that a few times.
why am I bad epi
Because somebody has to be.
Why am I more likely to be, and why are you being coy at lylo.
You've been saved twice. Four civilians voted you in the span of three Days. I'm honoring the wishes of the dead in hope that I'm not the only civilian dumbass this time around.

And stop saying "lylo." Not only is it a silly word, but

You're voting at a stage where a mislynch could very well seal the fate of town based off of the fact that other people voted for me that have now flipped civ alone? Townies can be wrong. Townies have been wrong about me. You've been wrong this game, and you're claiming you're town.

Why are you trying to mask the severity of the situation, epi? We get this wrong and it's VERY likely we lose, and you're voting without reference to my content and trying to justify it. You're climbing my scumdar.

#1392

and lylo is a fantastic word. don't talk shit about lylo

#1393

MovingPictures07 wrote:Diiny, let's say Floyd was off the poll. Then who would you like to lynch?

Epi.

#1394

Back.

#1395

Epignosis wrote:
You've been saved twice.

I'd like to point out that JJJ saved me and flipped town. and notice how I'm not claiming that you should read me as town because he did and was confirmed scum.

#1396

Epignosis wrote:You've been saved twice. Four civilians voted you in the span of three Days. I'm honoring the wishes of the dead in hope that I'm not the only civilian dumbass this time around.

You realize that you're playing right into the mafia's hands if Diiny is town, right?

#1397

Diiny wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: ...I still suspect sig because I suspected FZ. (though sig has warranted some movement up the list)
When did you decide you didn't like sig's crowd pleasing behaviour anymore?

I don't know what to think of it. He seemed to be genuinely hunting, but his Day 4 contributions have been tenuous, and the more I mull over it, the more I think he could have easily fabricated much of that content (which was based more on OTHERS' behavior than JJJ's) to get JJJ lynched.

#1398

sig wrote: What does everyone think of Epi?

Why do you ask this without having anything on him yourself?

#1399

I'm floored that we're t minus 30 minutes to EoD and we're still missing Mac, Floyd, sig, and motel room is barely posting.

Though I'll admit I don't know what time it is in Australia.

#1400

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Diiny wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: ...I still suspect sig because I suspected FZ. (though sig has warranted some movement up the list)
When did you decide you didn't like sig's crowd pleasing behaviour anymore?
I don't know what to think of it. He seemed to be genuinely hunting, but his Day 4 contributions have been tenuous, and the more I mull over it, the more I think he could have easily fabricated much of that content (which was based more on OTHERS' behavior than JJJ's) to get JJJ lynched.

Your vote is on the guy.

What say you?