ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME

[Scotty]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

[DharmaHelper]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

[Scotty]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

Me, Golden, speed, and MP

[DharmaHelper]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

Me, Golden, speed, and MP

Literally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on

[Golden]

Not MP, not today. Pick a different fourth.

[Scotty]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

Me, Golden, speed, and MP

Literally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on

Told you to buckle up.

[DharmaHelper]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

Me, Golden, speed, and MP

Literally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on

Told you to buckle up.

I'd maybe pull MP out, put me in, not sure what I'd do with Chuck. But you can stay and I've got no problem with Golden yet so that can stay.

[Scotty]

Once this gets unapproved, I got the team for you, DH. So buckle up

OK, who?

Me, Golden, speed, and MP

Literally why would I assemble or approve a team
A) I'm not on
B) MP is on

Told you to buckle up.

I'd maybe pull MP out, put me in, not sure what I'd do with Chuck. But you can stay and I've got no problem with Golden yet so that can stay.

Why don’t you like Mp? He hasn’t even posted yet

[Golden]

That's the problem he's finishing his dissertation today. He can't probably vote at all.

[Scotty]

That's the problem he's finishing his dissertation today. He can't probably vote at all.

But other people have and can and will

Right, other people??

[DharmaHelper]

I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.

[Scotty]

I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.

Why should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a jury

Unless you both know something I don’t

[DharmaHelper]

I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.

Why should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a jury

Unless you both know something I don’t

[mention]insertnamehere[/mention] Am I misunderstanding or do all team members need to vote for the mission to be over/resolved?

[DharmaHelper]

When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict

That's why, Scotty.

[Scotty]

When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict

That's why, Scotty.

What’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealed

[Scotty]

If he is good, I definitely want him on the mission. Because, you know, we need to find the defendant guilty or some such

But again, it you know something I don’t, then I’ll back off

[DharmaHelper]

When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict

That's why, Scotty.

What’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealed

*eventually

Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.

[Golden]

I think Golden made a good point. I wouldn't want him on a team if he's busy.

Why should he being busy make him a bad person on the mission? There’s no time limit to vote on a jury

Unless you both know something I don’t

Just that waiting around a day for MP doesn't seem like the best use of our time. I take your point though, I thought we had a 12 hour limit for all of these things but if there is none it doesn't matter so much.

[DharmaHelper]

Put him on your team(s) if it gets to you. No skin off my nose.

[Scotty]

When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict

That's why, Scotty.

What’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealed

*eventually

Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.

You prefer to rush into things, eh?

Duly noted. I’m rejecting whatever mission you propose

[Golden]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

[DharmaHelper]

When all of the jury has finished voting, the outcome of the trial will be revealed. A unanimous vote is required to reach a Guilty verdict

That's why, Scotty.

What’s why? I don’t see anywhere that mentions a time limit. MP will eventually get around here, and vote. Then the results will be revealed

*eventually

Linki - Its a matter of expediency for me, he could be good, but it doesn't do me any good to fuck around and wait to find out.

You prefer to rush into things, eh?

Duly noted. I’m rejecting whatever mission you propose

I dunno if I said that, I think I'd rather just not wait three days for a single person.

If MP checks in and is like "Hey lets goo" I'm good to put him on my team, but if he's not going to be around, why would I bother?

[Scotty]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

[DharmaHelper]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

Why do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?

[Scotty]

DP, i see you lurking. What mission would you propose right now if it were your turn?

[insertnamehere]

In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.

[Scotty]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

Why do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?

It’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange part

[Scotty]

In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.

Well there ya have it

[DharmaHelper]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

Why do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?

It’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange part

No no no no no no no son, you don't get to piss down my back and tell me its raining :P

Whats the deal with you putting MP forward on *my* team and going at my after I took him off because I'd rather get a read on people who are here?

[DharmaHelper]

In the interest of expediency, I’m instituting a 12 hour deadline for players to vote if they are chosen to be in an approved jury. Non-votes will be counted as abstentions, and will not impact the verdict.

Cool beans.

[Golden]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

If time was a non-factor, I'm not in a position to say anyone is a bad pick yet, but I like a jury with me on! MP is as good as any.

But I disapproved the current jury because it had him on.

[Spacedaisy]

Three things.

First I'm on this team, so I'm going to [VOTE: approve] aubergine

Second an abstain is in the civilian teams favor.

Third, he will probably be back in here sometime tomorrow maybe. He has been awake since 6:00 am Monday morning, finishing his dissertation. I expect he will pop in and vote before he goes to bed, but once he is asleep I think we will be lucky to see him by this time tomorrow, lol.

[Golden]

Well I might have voted approve if I'd known there'd be an abstain rule. Never mind.

[Spacedaisy]

Also, constantly disapproving teams in this first round is giving an advantage to the criminals. They already know who each other are, they are trying to figure out which one of the civilians also has that information. I recommend not rushing your votes and not being keen to just disapprove through everyone's jury in this first round. The less information we give to the criminals the better. We don't get any information until we get the first result from a trial. I am moving slow intentionally, I don't trust the people rushing us with unwise strategies.

fwiw I play Resistance too. And there is a huge difference here. In Resistance, some of the missions take more than one person to fail. It's easier to sort out how to identify the baddies and more difficult for them to hide. Here it only takes one Not Guilty to lose any trial for us. And we have five trials and they have five members. This is not Resistance or Avalon guys. They only need one of their guys on three of our teams to win. In all likelihood this first trial will come back Guilty because the jury only will have four members. It will be harder to hide their member in four than in five or six. And it's also more likely we get lucky and hit a team with no criminals in it in my opinion.

Don't be rushed, think it through. That's my advice. I agree with Scotty, I don't trust you right now either DH. You are the biggest culprit of pushing this strategy and rushing things.

[DharmaHelper]

Also, constantly disapproving teams in this first round is giving an advantage to the criminals. They already know who each other are, they are trying to figure out which one of the civilians also has that information. I recommend not rushing your votes and not being keen to just disapprove through everyone's jury in this first round. The less information we give to the criminals the better. We don't get any information until we get the first result from a trial. I am moving slow intentionally, I don't trust the people rushing us with unwise strategies.

fwiw I play Resistance too. And there is a huge difference here. In Resistance, some of the missions take more than one person to fail. It's easier to sort out how to identify the baddies and more difficult for them to hide. Here it only takes one Not Guilty to lose any trial for us. And we have five trials and they have five members. This is not Resistance or Avalon guys. They only need one of their guys on three of our teams to win. In all likelihood this first trial will come back Guilty because the jury only will have four members. It will be harder to hide their member in four than in five or six. And it's also more likely we get lucky and hit a team with no criminals in it in my opinion.

Don't be rushed, think it through. That's my advice. I agree with Scotty, I don't trust you right now either DH. You are the biggest culprit of pushing this strategy and rushing things.

Huh? How is giving everyone a chance to assemble a team (and therefore getting an idea maybe of who the criminals are based on team compositions, approvals/disapprovals, people popping up on multiple teams etc) rushing things? Isn't "Hurry up and get a team through and start a mission" literally the definition of "rushing things"?

[DharmaHelper]

"Don't be rushed, think it through" - Spacedaisy

"Lets let everyone, or failing that as many people as possible, get a team together so we can pick apart who picked who for their teams and learn some stuff before we jump into a mission and potentially royally fuck ourselves." - Me

"That seems suspicious we should just approve a team very quickly without much thought why would you push a strategy centered around rushing into things DH" - Daisy.

[Scotty]

Looks like the 12 hours is just to pick a jury not give a verdict.

But I don't think we should we trying to play the slowest game of Avalon in history either.

Sure, I don’t either, but I don’t know what DH really intended with omitting Mp.

What do you think of putting Mp on, Golden? If time was a non factor

Why do you have a hard on for putting the guy on a team?

It’s not that I necessarily want him on my team, it’s that you (and to an extent golden) didnt. That’s the strange part

No no no no no no no son, you don't get to piss down my back and tell me its raining :P

Whats the deal with you putting MP forward on *my* team and going at my after I took him off because I'd rather get a read on people who are here?

“I’d rather get a read on people who are here” is an entirely different reason than “it’s a matter of expediency”

But that’s fine. You do you. I just offered that team as a suggestion to see what you liked or disliked

[DharmaHelper]

“I’d rather get a read on people who are here” is an entirely different reason than “it’s a matter of expediency”

But that’s fine. You do you. I just offered that team as a suggestion to see what you liked or disliked

[Spacedaisy]

You want to rush us into assembling and voting to approve or disapprove juries quickly before the real discussion of best strategy could start imo. That is rushing things.

I am not saying we need to immediately approve this jury or should have approved the first, but I do not like the idea of letting every player assemble a jury before we finally consider approving a jury. And you are saying that seeing as many jury compositions head jurors put together that we can is better for the civs. But I don't agree.

[DharmaHelper]

You want to rush us into assembling and voting to approve or disapprove juries quickly before the real discussion of best strategy could start imo. That is rushing things.

I am not saying we need to immediately approve this jury or should have approved the first, but I do not like the idea of letting every player assemble a jury before we finally consider approving a jury. And you are saying that seeing as many jury compositions head jurors put together that we can is better for the civs. But I don't agree.

No I don't.

[Scotty]

“I’d rather get a read on people who are here” is an entirely different reason than “it’s a matter of expediency”

But that’s fine. You do you. I just offered that team as a suggestion to see what you liked or disliked

I’m more tinkerbell than Peter fwiw and I believe in magic!!!!

[Spacedaisy]

You didn't say we need to get into a trial as quickly as possible though DH. Don't hide the truth here. you said that the best thing is to see as many jury compositions as possible. And basically pushed the idea of letting everyone put one together. You are rushing people into a bad strategy is my point.

[Spacedaisy]

Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...

Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.

Right here DH. Right here. Civilians don't have any info. If this were the second round I might be more inclined to more carefully choose the jury. But in this first round, the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals.

[DharmaHelper]

You didn't say we need to get into a trial as quickly as possible though DH. Don't hide the truth here. you said that the best thing is to see as many jury compositions as possible. And basically pushed the idea of letting everyone put one together. You are rushing people into a bad strategy is my point.

You have me colossally confused. I didn't say we should rush into things, so you suspect me for rushing people into things. So your solution is what? Approve the first jury that hits your desk, i.e, wait for it, RUSHING INTO THINGS?



Y'all are gonna keep fucking around with me and turn me back to the old me

[Spacedaisy]

I won't be putting DH on any of my juries when I am Head Juror. And I won't approve any jury with him in it.

[DharmaHelper]

Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?

It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.

Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...

Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.

Right here DH. Right here. Civilians don't have any info. If this were the second round I might be more inclined to more carefully choose the jury. But in this first round, the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals.

HOld on, so my suggestion was "more careful" or was it "rushing into things?"

Anyway, since there's no "stop gap/hammer" for jury selection I can see some merit in approving at least a little quicker than normally, but the way you're explaining your umbrage with my plan is confusing as shit.

[DharmaHelper]

Fuck me for being helpful I guess. Yall want Negan you're about two seconds from getting him :P

[Spacedaisy]

I never said anything about feeling bad about you buddying or whatever. That's Scotty, I'm just calling out a bad strategy for what it is.

[DharmaHelper]

I never said anything about feeling bad about you buddying or whatever. That's Scotty, I'm just calling out a bad strategy for what it is.

I never said anything about you saying anything about you feeling bad about me buddying or whatever.

And you're not calling out a bad strategy, you're saying I said something I didn't say and that your solution to what I didn't say is the thing you find suspicious.

[Spacedaisy]

I literally quoted you DH. You are going to deny saying something that I literally quoted you on. And when you said it, I was so shocked I actually asked you to clarify to make sure I understood you right. So there is no denying what you said.

I'm not going to argue with you, I'm going to just go back to observing and voting. Civilians, I don't recommend putting DH on your juries when you are head juror.