Community Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Reywas is bad.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I wanna join the "baseless unexplained day 0 alignment call" thing too.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

11:21

now ask me why

11:28

no one asked me

Wow calm down.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

That is an extremely specific expectation.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

She's completely different from what I'm used to, which has always been civ. So GTH she's bad.

But GTH sucks and fails to consider she is obviously roleplaying, so more like neutral from now.

What is completely different about her?

Normally I'm expecting a single, 8 line paragraph on how she is unsure about a bunch of different topics.

That is an extremely specific expectation.

It describes what I normally see from her tbh.

I guess if the single paragraph has between 6 and 10 lines it's fine.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Reywas is bad.

Why?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

totes agree with you here. i prefer my day 0s less text wall'y and technical. the game/player breakdowns are fine, but when i get overwhelmed reading on day 0s and sometimes day 1s i tend to lose interest in the game. Not always of course.

"totally agree with guy who people are already calling bad because his posts have just been about complaining JJJ is doing work, but I need to add on how I don't like day 0 activity. Ok I've done my work see you tomorrow"

[dunya]

dunya, why am I independent?

well, are you?

there's something off with your tone. it's not wholly civ and it's not wholly scum. you slide into the independent category pretty well for now.

[dunya]

11:21

now ask me why

11:28

no one asked me

Wow calm down.

obv i wasn't actually waiting for someone to ask me.

p.s. i hate it when someone tells me to calm down.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Actually Mac got called bad after Reywas made that post but that doesn't help either

[Dragon D. Luffy]

11:21

now ask me why

11:28

no one asked me

Wow calm down.

obv i wasn't actually waiting for someone to ask me.

p.s. i hate it when someone tells me to calm down.

Sorry I needed an excuse to make fun of that sequence.

I guess "slow down" is more proper, since you could be calm and yet also be posting like a maniac.

[dunya]

Literally nobody cares about any of this Day 0. Literally nobody.

That's why civilians lose.

I dunno, filling the thread with this sort of stuff on day 0 might help you but it just makes the thread a more challenging read for me. Can't speak for the world though.

totes agree with you here. i prefer my day 0s less text wall'y and technical. the game/player breakdowns are fine, but when i get overwhelmed reading on day 0s and sometimes day 1s i tend to lose interest in the game. Not always of course.

"totally agree with guy who people are already calling bad because his posts have just been about complaining JJJ is doing work, but I need to add on how I don't like day 0 activity. Ok I've done my work see you tomorrow"

agree, i hated the "not always of course". it's like, i'll complain and talk shit then add that in the end to make everything i complained about seem like it's not really an issue to me. i didn't like it in the same way i didn't like mac's criticisms of jay, but i didn't hate it as much as i hated mac's.

[dunya]

11:21

now ask me why

11:28

no one asked me

Wow calm down.

obv i wasn't actually waiting for someone to ask me.

p.s. i hate it when someone tells me to calm down.

Sorry I needed an excuse to make fun of that sequence.

I guess "slow down" is more proper, since you could be calm and yet also be posting like a maniac.

i'm not posting like a maniac. jesus christ guys. when i have an open window in my day, i'm gonna post as much as i can. i don't have time like i used to. get used to it. deal with it. quit complaining about how people play mafia please and thank you.

[dunya]

i'm out. enjoy your space.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

well, are you?

no

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Geez I'm not complaining, I'm just making fun.

Sorry if I offended you.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

If anything Jay is the one posting like a maniac.

[colonialbob]

Big if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

I feel like I don't have enough time to sort all of the Mac/jjj/epi stuff out right now except I doubt epi/Mac w/w.

[dunya]

it's ok DDL, you might be joking, but i just get really uncomfortable when people complain about how someone chooses to play mafia and it makes it not so fun for me so i felt like i should say that. love ya dude

[colonialbob]

Numbers consciousness starting platform:

With 12 players to start and the setup closed, there are numerous potential alignment ratios:

A - 9 vs. 3
B - 9 vs. 2 vs./plus 1
C - 8 vs. 2 vs./plus 1 vs./plus 1
D - 8 vs. 3 vs./plus 1

There are other possibilities, but I think these are the four likely by a wide margin. Based on my own intuitions about balance (some of which I think Sloonei would share given his similar background), I'd rank them as follows by probability: B > A > C > D. This is a theme which lends itself nicely to independents, but that may not matter with the characters and alignments randomized (i.e. Chang isn't automatically a serial killer or something).

Either 9 vs. 3 or 8 vs. 2 allows two mislynches before a MyLo (assuming nightly kills of one civilian and not accounting for unknown indy variables). 9 vs. 2 allows 3 mislynches. For now I recommend a worst-case projection of 2 available mislyches. As such, POE work has to be quite expedient in this game to have a chance of working effectively. A pool of 4 or 5 is already necessary on Day 0, and that means the civilians need to make themselves visible. "Cards close to chest" and "exclusively roleplay in every post without regard for the hunt" are thus strategies which can lose the game on their own if employed irresponsibly -- that'll place people into POE pools by default.

Role abilities will likely matter at some point, but I refuse to wait for that. Everyone is vanilla. Find the bad guys, or find so many good guys that you don't need to.

You know what this reminds me of? That big role list I made in a World Asunder.

I was bad.

Are you saying J is hiding behind mechanics talk?

[dunya]

cbob, what do you think of sabie?

[Dragon D. Luffy]

it's ok DDL, you might be joking, but i just get really uncomfortable when people complain about how someone chooses to play mafia and it makes it not so fun for me so i felt like i should say that. love ya dude

Ok I'll try not to do this again.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Are you saying J is hiding behind mechanics talk?

Maybe

[colonialbob]

sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

This is a mild ping but also might just be a result of her role-playing rather than her normal posting style. Usually I would expect a lot of waffly stuff (not in a bad way) but this is short and doesn't mention anything about any of those players.

I would encourage [mention]sabie12[/mention] to do a little more talking about specific people (while keeping up the good RP )

[colonialbob]

DDL is mafia

[DFaraday]

Still yet to hear from;

@ColinIsCool
@colonialbob
@DFaraday
@Dragon D. Luffy
@novaselinenever
@Quin

I set the over under of DFaraday's post count by the time he has to be subbed out at 3.

I would never sub out of a Community Mafia game, but I can see where you're coming from. I have a more disappointing track record than Shyamalan.

[DFaraday]

My initial reaction is suspicion of the people calling out JJJ for focusing on game mechanics and structure. JJJ is well established as our exposition character, so suspecting him for that feels like trying to ignore everything that came before, like Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

My initial reaction is suspicion of the people calling out JJJ for focusing on game mechanics and structure. JJJ is well established as our exposition character, so suspecting him for that feels like trying to ignore everything that came before, like Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi.

Anyone in particular, DFarabed?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

[colonialbob]

DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

Partly wanted in on the "blah is mafia" meme, partly sus of the way he latched onto your mechanics post. It was getting suspicion from other(s?), but for very different reasons than "JJJ is hiding behind mechanics talk" which is the typical accusation around that sort of thing. DDL expressed suspicion of a thing that other people found suspicious but for reasons that don't ring true. That makes my hunting instincts want to eat his face off.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

sabie12
Epignosis
dunya
colonialbob
DFaraday

ColinIsCool

MacDougall
reywaS
Quin
Dragon D. Luffy

[dunya]

please talk to me about Quin, JJJ.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

please talk to me about Quin, JJJ.

He seemed to be headed toward some kind of read on you (with arguably implied suspicion) when he contested your initial read on me and questioned your rationale about sabie. So I'm underwhelmed that he ended up here:

Y'all please tell me about dunya.

i have nothing to say about dunya

which actually means that i don't think anything she has said thus far is reflective of her alignment.

[dunya]

agreeable. and can i ask why you townread epi?

[MacDougall]

hot lunch hour dunya take: macdougall is mafia

epi is town (also, hi jeff )

jjj is independent, probably can win with civs.

sabie is sabie i.e. town

now ask me why

No need. It's because you're Mafia.

[MacDougall]

no one asked me, but ima go ahead and tell you why i think mac is mafia.

he comes in here to demotivate jjj. he has an issue with jjj taking the leader role. he's vocalizing it to make others aware of these issues he has with jjj. he is trying to renounce jjj's place in the thread. ok...

but then nah, he doesn't wanna take jjj's place after all. he's happy being led. he's happy jjj being himself.

there was no purpose for the former or the latter. when someone comes in strong and then contradicts everything said, it is always a plot to weaken or cause conflict or shake trust in a person. macdougall here was initially trying to take civ jjj off course, and whether he continued or not, the posts are there. they have already garnered agreement from at least 2 other people. there is purpose behind every post, especially one that criticizes another player's playing style, and especially when macdougall is no newbie to jjj or his playstyle. it gets old ya know. the pocketing approach may have worked in ass-class, but it wouldn't work in any game i'm in.

This is all very basic analysis from someone with an intuition based game. You're bad because you picked the most logical case to put together that you could see, when ordinarily you are capable of deeper analysis than this.

[MacDougall]

if macdougall was town, he'd be trying to make sure it was civ-jjj leading the thread and get into some tag team action with him imo. i am most unimpressed with his contributions, even for a day 0, that he spent his time complaining and then taking it back--and that is all he contributed. nahw. even for a tuesday afternoon, dats weak sauce.

I have done this maybe a grand total of ONCE in all my time playing Mafia. Jay can attest.

[MacDougall]

I didn't tell you to stop doing it. I am trying to tell you that this type of thing isn't going to encourage me to contribute (at the very least in the way that you would hope to see) because I take one look at multi paragraph posts full of game theory in them at 2.40pm on a Tuesday while I am approaching 3PMitis and decide that antagonising the goof doing it is just as good a use of my effort as being helpful.

Need I remind you that we don't get "Jay is civilian" written in our rolecards?

I will note a grievance with Mac that I alluded to before and didn't expand on.

Orange follows green as though it is meant to explain why green is happening. That means the following assertion is being made:

"Jay, your multiparagraph post full of game theory at 2:40 PM on Tuesday discourages me from contributing, because I don't know your alignment." The connection doesn't make sense. To be annoyed by effort and to be distrustful of effort are not the same thing.

The latter comment is to explain why I would be antagonising you. Antagonist is my default civilian position and I have no reason to trust you..

[MacDougall]

11:21

now ask me why

11:28

no one asked me

Wow calm down.

Now that you've pointed it out I have to question my read on her. Would Mafia dunya be displaying the type of enthusiasm to make an OMGUS case on yours truly. I'd think that she would be more meticulous than that and more likely to have just waited for someone to ask her.

[MacDougall]

My initial reaction is suspicion of the people calling out JJJ for focusing on game mechanics and structure. JJJ is well established as our exposition character, so suspecting him for that feels like trying to ignore everything that came before, like Rian Johnson did with Last Jedi.

So epi? Because I didn't say I suspected him for it I just tried to calm him down so he wouldn't frighten off the plebians. You should be thanking me because I am referring to you.

[MacDougall]

DDL is mafia

I don't think he is. Pretty sure you are.

[MacDougall]

ColinIsCool - Is currently on Earth 53
colonialbob - is Mafia
DFaraday - is suspicious
Dragon D. Luffy - is town
dunya - is rusty
Epignosis - is town
JaggedJimmyJay - is t...own
novaselinenever - is with Colin on Earth 53
Quin - is currently wrestling crocs in the outback
reywas - is Mafia
sabie12 - is suspicious

If I was voting to lynch someone right now it'd be ColonialBob.

[sabie12]

Pardon my lack of participation today I was at work and now I'm at a funeral
Will be back to Study group later guyz

[novaselinenever]

Still yet to hear from;

@ColinIsCool
@colonialbob
@DFaraday
@Dragon D. Luffy
@novaselinenever
@Quin

I set the over under of DFaraday's post count by the time he has to be subbed out at 3.

I'm doing food reviews for my youtube channel. Metro's frozen Pizza

[novaselinenever]

I need an idea for my next video

[JaggedJimmyJay]

DDL is mafia

I don't think he is. Pretty sure you are.

k why

[Mongoose]

Man my phone sucks and it's hard to post gifs from it.

my internet is sucking badly, so i won't always be able to post gifs, enjoying it while i can though...

This looks like @Mongoose to me!

Ooooh, thank you! All that's missing is my gigantic vat of coffee/tea!

*gasp* hey yeah it does!

[MacDougall]

Big if true

How do you feel about anything in the thread up to me calling you a mafioso?

I feel like I don't have enough time to sort all of the Mac/jjj/epi stuff out right now except I doubt epi/Mac w/w.

I doubt that this is a genuine post from a civilian. I can't see how he arrived to the conclusion at the end at all really.

sabie12, any impressions of dunya, Epi, or myself (or anyone else that may have shimmied in a post)?

Maaaaaan I don't know my brain hurts I didn't know there was a quiz on the first day. Wait it's the zero day...or is it zeroth day?

This is a mild ping but also might just be a result of her role-playing rather than her normal posting style. Usually I would expect a lot of waffly stuff (not in a bad way) but this is short and doesn't mention anything about any of those players.

I would encourage @sabie12 to do a little more talking about specific people (while keeping up the good RP )

I don't think this is a genuine post either. This is busywork.

DDL is mafia

DDL is mafia

Tell me more.

Partly wanted in on the "blah is mafia" meme, partly sus of the way he latched onto your mechanics post. It was getting suspicion from other(s?), but for very different reasons than "JJJ is hiding behind mechanics talk" which is the typical accusation around that sort of thing. DDL expressed suspicion of a thing that other people found suspicious but for reasons that don't ring true. That makes my hunting instincts want to eat his face off.

I mind meld with ColonialBob when he is a civilian usually. I am finding myself unable to see his perspectives at all in every post he's made so far.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

I realized I only ever seen maybe two eps of Community so I decided to fix that mistake.

But it's not on Netflix

[Quin]

please talk to me about Quin, JJJ.

He seemed to be headed toward some kind of read on you (with arguably implied suspicion) when he contested your initial read on me and questioned your rationale about sabie. So I'm underwhelmed that he ended up here:

Y'all please tell me about dunya.

i have nothing to say about dunya

which actually means that i don't think anything she has said thus far is reflective of her alignment.

I disagreed with a read and asked her a question. Neither of those things need to be associated with a read of any kind.

Not great to hear something so contradictory from you, mister interrogator.