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I can buy I misunderstood what Wilgy said. Not like...believing that's what happened 100% but there's no world where Scotty didn't make up a list because he's just a wolf.

In fairness, I've never eaten an icaco

Oh "Icaco". Man, I missed the hell out of that.

Mechanically Porscha is still in the Poe before Scotty but that seems like a reasonable set alongside potentially NAA or Creature.

Condition was such that if Scotty was Brandyfoot he would have gotten the message, though...

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:02 pm And Osie doesn't have Scotty there.

This part of me doesn't enjoy mafia, I either berate a town member for not understanding who is lock town, or have to push someone for possibly being mafia because they are so wrong

Nothing makes you lock town.

Still, a PoE of Porscha/Creature/Doom/NAA/(Dunya/Scotty) with everyone else as confirmed town could be worse.

Not surprised that after Doom refuses to confirm herself, she threw AtE in the thread when called out for it.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:56 pm Still, a PoE of Porscha/Creature/Doom/NAA/(Dunya/Scotty) with everyone else as confirmed town could be worse.

Not surprised that after Doom refuses to confirm herself, she threw AtE in the thread when called out for it.

And I anticipate that at least one of Creature and Dunya will end up confirming.

Like regardless of Doom's alignment...

Anyways, where the heck is everyone anyways?

@MartinGG99 @Marmot @srceenplay Wilgy has confirmed. Out of people who have posted, it's within Doom/Porscha/Scotty.

I’m reading but I’m slightly stubborn

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:13 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:16 am So we yeet Creature now right?

Like, Andres literally just interacted with Orb, Scotty, Screenplay and NAA.

I'd think that a low posting scum wouldn't have a need to even talk about a teammate unless prompted. Creature was a scummuffin based on HK's iso anyhow.

Wigly, what were your nightactions, and did you get the ring I sent you? Did anyone visit you?

It was received. I wanted to avoid corruption until possible. I won't reveal the target, but I did get a result of plum.

Also, idk if being late is the issue, or if I have the literacy of an icaco, BUT I'm pretty sure the ring in my possession lets me target others with a watch.

@srceenplay This post

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:13 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:16 am So we yeet Creature now right?

Like, Andres literally just interacted with Orb, Scotty, Screenplay and NAA.

I'd think that a low posting scum wouldn't have a need to even talk about a teammate unless prompted. Creature was a scummuffin based on HK's iso anyhow.

Wigly, what were your nightactions, and did you get the ring I sent you? Did anyone visit you?

It was received. I wanted to avoid corruption until possible. I won't reveal the target, but I did get a result of plum.

Also, idk if being late is the issue, or if I have the literacy of an icaco, BUT I'm pretty sure the ring in my possession lets me target others with a watch.

@srceenplay This post

Doest make me not stubborn, just makes me understand

what do we need for a lynch?

7

doesn't look like we will get it

I had no clue what an Icaco is.

Now I do.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:49 pm Wilgy didn't get the result "Plum" and Scotty didn't pick "Kumquat" off a list is what I'm saying. They both saw other players throwing out fruits and tried to fake that they had gotten the same message that some townies got. There's no reason to fake that as a townie so they're both just wolves.

This is what I saw too

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:27 pm I can buy I misunderstood what Wilgy said. Not like...believing that's what happened 100% but there's no world where Scotty didn't make up a list because he's just a wolf.

You are an icaco

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:38 pm 7

doesn't look like we will get it

poll ends Friday. We'll get it.

srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 am Im not trying to be a but porscha sounds a little AtE and Wigly is trying to wiggle their way out of dying today.

[VOTE: Drwigly] aubergine

sorry, I don't remember what Ate stands for?

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:49 pm Wilgy didn't get the result "Plum" and Scotty didn't pick "Kumquat" off a list is what I'm saying. They both saw other players throwing out fruits and tried to fake that they had gotten the same message that some townies got. There's no reason to fake that as a townie so they're both just wolves.

Isn't Porscha more notable in that regard than Scotty? Scotty is also semi-cleared by the Andres flip, no?

At the moment:

Wilgy+Porscha > NAA+Creature > Doom > Everybody else

I never threw out a fruit so "in that regard" it makes zero sense to target me. If you want to target me for low posting, then fine, I get that. But I had no conversation with fruit being involved. I never faked anything I said.

I also read wilgy's comment about plum to be a color since there is a ring that his statement directly related to. I have absolutely zero clue what the whole fruit thing is about.

We looking to hammer or something?

I'm still wanting creature, but if y'all are smart enough to lock mechanically I don't mind moving to [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:22 am

srceenplay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 9:19 am Im not trying to be a but porscha sounds a little AtE and Wigly is trying to wiggle their way out of dying today.

[VOTE: Drwigly] aubergine

sorry, I don't remember what Ate stands for?

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:55 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 6:49 pm Wilgy didn't get the result "Plum" and Scotty didn't pick "Kumquat" off a list is what I'm saying. They both saw other players throwing out fruits and tried to fake that they had gotten the same message that some townies got. There's no reason to fake that as a townie so they're both just wolves.

Isn't Porscha more notable in that regard than Scotty? Scotty is also semi-cleared by the Andres flip, no?

At the moment:

Wilgy+Porscha > NAA+Creature > Doom > Everybody else

I never threw out a fruit so "in that regard" it makes zero sense to target me. If you want to target me for low posting, then fine, I get that. But I had no conversation with fruit being involved. I never faked anything I said.

I also read wilgy's comment about plum to be a color since there is a ring that his statement directly related to. I have absolutely zero clue what the whole fruit thing is about.

Porscha I've decided I'll personally defend you till my last breath regardless of alignment.

@osieorb18 it's ironic to you go around talking about who the clears are. Everything I've done in this game has ended with wolves dying. Marmot is able to confirm what ring I used on n1, since I just gave it to him. Quenta, this ring was openly claimed by me and it also led to the only reason we killed wolves. Think about my play as a wolf if I have that ring. I'm able to pick my partner HK as a wolf, who if town doesn't get to reach majority, my wolves get a free town killed. There'd never be a reason for me to have claimed I have that ring, nor use it the way I did.

I've received every message and also confirmed the message that has been going around.

Last night my actions also will lead to a wolf dying or being cleared from Poe.

Though let's continue to talk about me in the poe

I don't like osie putting doom in poe as if she isn't pretty diddly darn confirmed at this point.

in terms of who is on chopping block: between wilgy and scotty. wilgy just kindly pronounced undying defense lol, but scotty's (only?) interaction with me was saying he liked my entrance when I was confused about doom talking about revealing her ring day 2. I wasn't sure if I should read it as a pocket or not. maybe it was if they are wolf?

seriously tho, I dont remember what Ate means. pls help so I can have an idea of what screen was trying to say about me lol

I know doom doesnt want me giving free info to wolves, but full disclosure is that I made no night action n3 because I have 0 (zero) rings. I passed the one I had n2. to osie (squimish about this decision after day 3). I'm absolutely chilling, and have little idea of what some of these group mechanics regarding rings and targets is going on.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:22 am I have absolutely zero clue what the whole fruit thing is about.

Yeah that's a scumtell.

I was given the ring during the previous Night. Because Witch-King of Angmar is dead, I went with the condition of true names of roles containing less than three A's and not beginning with K. (paraphrase)

Not that it's needed since it was pretty clear that I had the plan to begin with and was going to do it, but I also signed the note distinctively.

It's likely just Scotty/Porscha based on the posts made thus far in Day 4.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:24 am @osieorb18 it's ironic to you go around talking about who the clears are. Everything I've done in this game has ended with wolves dying. Marmot is able to confirm what ring I used on n1, since I just gave it to him. Quenta, this ring was openly claimed by me and it also led to the only reason we killed wolves. Think about my play as a wolf if I have that ring. I'm able to pick my partner HK as a wolf, who if town doesn't get to reach majority, my wolves get a free town killed. There'd never be a reason for me to have claimed I have that ring, nor use it the way I did.

I've received every message and also confirmed the message that has been going around.

Last night my actions also will lead to a wolf dying or being cleared from Poe.

Though let's continue to talk about me in the poe

I do not believe that you deep-bussing is outside of your wolf-range. That said, I do believe that you would be just as likely to openly choose to not involve yourself with claims and confirms regardless of alignment.

Behaviourally, I do think you are town.

Mechanically, you haven't been a guaranteed confirm town at any point this game, so you're still in the PoE, albeit a lower concern than any of the people who seem more likely to be scum (Porscha/Scotty primarily)

I found the fruit stuff untrustworthy when I saw it. Not knowing the mechanics of it made me not want to participate in some weird clearing shit

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:02 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 12:22 am I have absolutely zero clue what the whole fruit thing is about.

Yeah that's a scumtell.

coming from the person who insists on pushing doom w/e

I can't even argue that it isn't scumtell because I don't know what the fruit stuff means. I gave you a powerful ring night 2 because I was townreading you day 2. I used that ring's power on mac night 1 because I was confident he was town.

wouldn't a stronger scumtell, from what I understand about the fruit stuff, be to LIE about the fruit conversation and pretend like I'm a part of it?

There's a group of players who are using an ability I'm not apart of where they believe it simply would out every wolf.

I got the message, but it seems you didn't.

The only 2 people in the game who didn't get the message were you and Scotty, there's only 2 wolves left.

That would be the logic

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:47 pmme being right>winning games

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:21 am There's a group of players who are using an ability I'm not apart of where they believe it simply would out every wolf.

I got the message, but it seems you didn't.

The only 2 people in the game who didn't get the message were you and Scotty, there's only 2 wolves left.

That would be the logic

ooooh I see. thanks for explaining. I'm sure it worked perfectly based on how the other group totally worked like how they thought it would!! /s

my guess is that - unless there is a confirmed group in discord, which it doesnt seem like there is - that when the convo about the fruit started, people just started talking about fruit. I almost started talking about fruit not knowing it was some game mechanic. If there is no outside of forum mechanic to confirm what people received a fruit, I can almost guarantee there are people who just started talking about fruit with absolutely no idea it was a game mechanic, and now they are getting cleared.

Given that Urist did not call this a bastard game and confirmed that the ability would work the way that I believe it would work, I see no reason to doubt the effectiveness of it as a strategy for endgame, until everyone who has yet to confirm in the appropriate manner has either done so or has been eliminated.

Scotty has enough votes for hammer. At the moment that list of players (including Scotty) is:

Creature
DaughterOfOmega
dunya
Porscha
Scotty

Everyone else is mechanically-confirmed to be town, and only more so if I am killed.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:28 am Given that Urist did not call this a bastard game and confirmed that the ability would work the way that I believe it would work, I see no reason to doubt the effectiveness of it as a strategy for endgame, until everyone who has yet to confirm in the appropriate manner has either done so or has been eliminated.

Scotty has enough votes for hammer. At the moment that list of players (including Scotty) is:

Creature
DaughterOfOmega
dunya
Porscha
Scotty

Everyone else is mechanically-confirmed to be town, and only more so if I am killed.

EBWOP: And NAA.

If we really want to so this DOOM's favorite fruit is obviously Mangerines

i'm gonna put my vote on scotty in case I miss eod tomorrow

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:28 pm In fairness, I've never eaten an icaco

only post about fruit is in response to someone else’s fruit. No fruit post.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:28 am tangerine

I swear if this breaks the game I'm going to be disappointed

began fruit convo that receives responses with clementine.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:44 am Isn't nectarine a type of orange? o:

counters martin’s original fruit post with another fruit. Seems to be in on the fruit mechanic with their second post about the game being broken with a vote on wilgy that they turned onto scotty for flipping sake, I assume.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 12:29 am I prefer mandarins tbh

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 10:27 pm I can buy I misunderstood what Wilgy said. Not like...believing that's what happened 100% but there's no world where Scotty didn't make up a list because he's just a wolf.

You are an icaco

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

talks about preferring mandarins in response to martin’s post. Calls jack an icaco with a vote on scotty.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:13 am

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:55 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:16 am So we yeet Creature now right?

Like, Andres literally just interacted with Orb, Scotty, Screenplay and NAA.

I'd think that a low posting scum wouldn't have a need to even talk about a teammate unless prompted. Creature was a scummuffin based on HK's iso anyhow.

Wigly, what were your nightactions, and did you get the ring I sent you? Did anyone visit you?

It was received. I wanted to avoid corruption until possible. I won't reveal the target, but I did get a result of plum.

Also, idk if being late is the issue, or if I have the literacy of an icaco, BUT I'm pretty sure the ring in my possession lets me target others with a watch.

makes his comment about getting the color plum back in reference to his ring’s power. Misunderstanding gets cleared, he mentions icaco.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 2:43 pm I’m more of a clementine guy myself

scotty says he’s a clementine guy in response to martin’s post. This fruit was already claimed by martin. Scotty follows up by saying he didnt know icaco wasn’t on the list.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 1:21 am I once bought a jar of elderberry vinegar when looking for some non-alcoholic elderflower flavouring.

This game is making me think back to that poor jar sitting in my fridge and what I could do with it.

osieorb18 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 03, 2022 11:07 pm @MartinGG99 @Marmot @srceenplay Wilgy has confirmed. Out of people who have posted, it's within Doom/Porscha/Scotty.

begins day 4 with first post about elderberry. Gets no responses. Also strangly claims scotty seems semi-cleared by andres flip but I don’t know why it makes scotty anymore town anybody else who voted off andres, like myself. Osie then pings 3 other "confirmed" players (not moonwink, however, in addition to having screen who made no post about fruit) to accuse doom as being on the same level of wolf as me or scotty which is outlandish as I mentioned above on doom.

HONORABLE MENTIONS WHO HAVE NOT POSTED OR DID NOT POST ABOUT FRUIT IN A WAY I COULD MEANGINGFULLY QUOTE:
srceenplay - no post with fruit.
NotAnAxehole - hasn’t posted at all in day 4.
Creature - hasn’t posted at all in day 4.
dunya - hasn’t posted.
DaughterOfOmega - speaks about the fruit mechanic, does not post their fruit. Speaks multiple times how they think the mechanic is untrustworthy, but is obviously aware of the mechanic early on and this implies that doom did receive the message without posting fruit. Osie ignores this and puts doom in poe anyway.
Porscha - doenst know what the broom is going on in regards to a fruit mechanic and is mad about getting targeted for it because of the reasons listed above and below.


Osie, here's my take. I can tell you the mechanic didn't work the way you say it did, because I'm not wolf but still did not receive a fruit message. There are 3 players who haven't posted at all, and screen did not make a fruit post (understandably they may be cleared via other means from earlier in game, but 100% has not referenced a fruit).

jack at least seems in on the fruit mechanic immediately when they refuse to play along with martin's clementine post. + called out scotty's mistake on clementine + secret code post. cleared in this way, which I also believe doom to be cleared in a similar manner.

screen made no post about fruit and did not reference the mechanic whatsoever. uncleared via fruit mechanic, but gets pinged by osie as if confirmed by fruit mechanic with martin and marmot (forgets moonwink tho.)

I'll tell you how you should read me right now: I dumb effing idiot who doesn't understand what's going on, and making zero attempts to fit in and fly under the radar as a wolf looking to get cleared. I hope the time I put into this post helps general morale about my interest in the game.
I agree with doom that mechanic is likely unreliable based on the scuffed, misplayed mechanic that occurred earlier in the game as well. And you'd rather put me higher in your POE than the players who have straight up not posted today all together, which I don't think is a good way of going about this.

hope this was useful in some way.

EBWOP "I'll tell you how you should read me right now: I dumb effing idiot who doesn't understand what's going on, and making zero attempts to fit in and fly under the radar as a wolf looking to get cleared. I hope the time I put into this post helps general morale about my interest in the game."

read me as a dumb townie who doesn't know what's going on, rather than a wolf who would in this likely try to fit in with the group code to fly under the radar.

I can't explain or argue against why the fruit mechanic wouldn't work with me because *I don't know the mechanics behind the fruit mechanic*. I am literally unable to counter this with any logic other than "hurr durr I pink pwomise I'm not wolfie uwu"

I will try to list some quick things I thought of:
did a player need to have at least 1 ring? (I have none, but gave you mine. you're welcome /s )
did a player need to have taken a night action n3? ( I took none)
was there something name related again that may cause an issue? (effed up entire messy mechanic earlier)

I do like that Porscha is trying hard, either way.

i'm mad for being targeted by an unreliable mechanic that I can't argue against when there's literally other entirely afk players to target harder than myself

if I was stupid uninformed wolf I would be like a deer caught in headlights right now and I'm not in that position right now so it's frustrating to not know how to help myself not get targeted since I'm not in the fruit clique and I dont know how it works

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:54 am i'm mad for being targeted by an unreliable mechanic that I can't argue against when there's literally other entirely afk players to target harder than myself

If Scotty is town. You can easily argue you shouldn't be voted for based on this, but if he is mafia, people will vote you.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 3:37 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:54 am i'm mad for being targeted by an unreliable mechanic that I can't argue against when there's literally other entirely afk players to target harder than myself

If Scotty is town. You can easily argue you shouldn't be voted for based on this, but if he is mafia, people will vote you.

yeah that makes sense but in the couple games I've played on here, this tactic in similar situations did not work out well for me. I usually was never able to clear myself by insisting someone else was mafia

honestly I don't believe even if I made a decent case for scotty - his clementine post seems to have been a slip up, he then refers to the "list" ...
it doesn't clear me at all. I can just wolf with scotty and based on osie's pushes I think they would still believe that

Like, scotty is already probably gonna get voted out if the votes stay the same at this point. but it doesn't clear me at all. i'll just get looked at as a strong poe day 5 if I dont die over night

I don't have a ring, therefore have no mechanical way of proving myself, and I gave the ring I started with to osie, which if I was mafia and osie was town I really doubt I would do. maybe osie will think I am lying and believe the ring came from someone else? or they will think it was me p ocketing them? I don't know, I feel like it's the best defense I have besides trying to prove I shouldn't be a top poe just because of the fruit mechanic. it's why I bothered going through literally everybody's ISO's for day 4 looking for fruit lol. I don't believe the fruit push is a strong reason to top list me poe

Porscha, tbf if you are town, we have several lynches to lose, and accepting that maybe a fate you must take.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 04, 2022 2:29 am Osie, here's my take. I can tell you the mechanic didn't work the way you say it did, because I'm not wolf but still did not receive a fruit message. There are 3 players who haven't posted at all, and screen did not make a fruit post (understandably they may be cleared via other means from earlier in game, but 100% has not referenced a fruit).

There does exist two niche mechanical ways this might be the case (really just one, since I know that a third way does not apply, and one of those ways involves Urist being relatively deceitful) but I'mma wait in part for other confirms and Scotty's flip, mainly because I think it is extremely unlikely due to Scotty's behaviour.

Jack, Martin, Marmot, Moonwink, Wilgy, and Srceenplay are fully confirmed. (Osie method)

I am pseudo-confirmed twice over. Doom is pseudo-confirmed twice over. (Osie method, Moonwink method)

I did miss a bit on individual confirms: Porscha and dunya are pseudo-confirmed once over. (Moonwink method) NAA is pseudo-confirmed once over. (By claim)

With consideration of subjective believability, that puts me at this for an ordered PoE:

Scotty
Creature/Porscha
NAA
dunya
(Doom)

There's enough confirmed town that even if that full PoE applies, it doesn't matter, and if any of Creature/Doom/dunya/NAA properly confirms, that narrows it down further. Doom is probably just town here anyways, and I doubt that scum Doom or scum dunya wins in XyLO at this point anyways.

There's still the possibility of an extra kill occurring, which makes things tighter.

However, if Creature, dunya, and/or NAA use the Osie-confirm (which even if Porscha is telling the truth still would apply, even in the awkward corner case), that lowers the PoE by one for each confirm.

And it's arguably bad for scum to kill outside of the fully confirmed list.

We'll see.