Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
I'm pretty sure mine does the trick.
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Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am
With limited time remaining, I'd appreciate some quick feedback on the LC gripes I just posted.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 am
Nutella and Dizzy are insanely buddy-buddy
I could see a scum or 3P on either side of the LC JJJ thing.
I could see a scum or 3P on either side of the LC JJJ thing.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 am
nutella, move your vote to LoRab.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:32 am
Like I said--it's gut. Gut, to me, says there isn't a real reason, just a general feeling.
I don't have much to say on Epi's play Day 2. It has felt fairly neutral to me.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 am
I wanted you to move off Dizzy and Sloonei is my preferred lynch, though LC is fine too. I also wanted to see if you would do it (would have been a three-way tie including yourself anyway but now it's not so it doesn't work the same way) whatever LC is a fine choice
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am
If Lorab is bad, she has a teammate in jeopardy. If she truly suspects me, why not put me further into the running to die?
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 am
Your form of questioning yourself on the read, in one post, said:Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 amYou've been a strong town read for a lot of the game. I began to question myself on that read. I've still felt good about you, but it's not a read upon which the game hinges. My mind is far from made up.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:26 am"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."
It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.
why does my "turnaround" bother you, and what does the Mountains anecdote mean to you in this game?
"Speed says he plays a good town game if bad. He's playing a good town game. Therefore I'd better switch my read." If that was you being snarky, it's one thing. But at the time, I thought you were using my meta against me to enlarge a wagon, and it did NOT sit right. A reversal like that needed more to it. I'm confused on this point still ATM. No time to find the post, I've got LC to look at.
I was stating that your method of approaching Kyle near EOD1 was not the same as your approach to cBob, or really anyone I've seen. The fire that you put into that was something I'd expect from JJJ and not you. And even though you've gotten someone lynched before, you going after Kyle was distinctly different.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am
Can you share any version of a case against me?nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:33 amI wanted you to move off Dizzy and Sloonei is my preferred lynch, though LC is fine too. I also wanted to see if you would do it (would have been a three-way tie including yourself anyway but now it's not so it doesn't work the same way) whatever LC is a fine choice
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:35 am
Actually no, [mention]nutella[/mention], I don't care about your read on me right now. It's negative and not budging until further notice. Talk to me about LoRab instead.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am
Not particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.
Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 am
My only complaint with LC is a small one- that he was doing exactly what FZ. accused him of doing (answering for her). I noted this because I said to myself that I would have rather had FZ. answer for herself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am With limited time remaining, I'd appreciate some quick feedback on the LC gripes I just posted.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:37 am
oh hey i have to vote in the next 29 minutes and the votes are all super close good thing i'm drunk and in a dark and loud room, aka the best circumstance to make decisions in
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:37 am
there, I voted now.
The habit of waiting until the end to vote is strong.
The habit of waiting until the end to vote is strong.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:38 am
Has he done anything that gives you the opposite (civilian) impression?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 amMy only complaint with LC is a small one- that he was doing exactly what FZ. accused him of doing (answering for her). I noted this because I said to myself that I would have rather had FZ. answer for herself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am With limited time remaining, I'd appreciate some quick feedback on the LC gripes I just posted.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:39 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am
That initial comment was half in jest, though your scum meta is something that routinely bogs me down when I'm trying to read you. I was largely unaware that a wagon was forming on you at the time I said it. I was at work all day, and only loosely glancing down at the most recent posts in the thread. I responded to your comment in isolation.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 amYour form of questioning yourself on the read, in one post, said:Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:29 amYou've been a strong town read for a lot of the game. I began to question myself on that read. I've still felt good about you, but it's not a read upon which the game hinges. My mind is far from made up.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:26 am"Sloonei - his turnabout on me is garbage. I can't read the "oh, if you play a better townie while mafia then you must be mafia" vote without having a spasmodic fit. That's one way to excuse and turn around a convenient townread you've been using. Bull friggin crap.
Different point:
Amusingly, Sloonei never actually tunneled on cBob when he was town in mountains. It was a constant suspicion, but I never saw him pursue it super hard.
Final point: I really think one of the main three is scum, and Sloonei is my top guess. I'm sorry if I'm wrong, Sloonbeard. You feel off, and that's the best argument I can give you. This readlist/thread review is taking all of my remaining time today. I'm probably just going to have to hope I don't die in MK mafia."
It's... not great if you still townread me. I don't know what to make of your treatment of my read there.
why does my "turnaround" bother you, and what does the Mountains anecdote mean to you in this game?
"Speed says he plays a good town game if bad. He's playing a good town game. Therefore I'd better switch my read." If that was you being snarky, it's one thing. But at the time, I thought you were using my meta against me to enlarge a wagon, and it did NOT sit right. A reversal like that needed more to it. I'm confused on this point still ATM. No time to find the post, I've got LC to look at.
I was stating that your method of approaching Kyle near EOD1 was not the same as your approach to cBob, or really anyone I've seen. The fire that you put into that was something I'd expect from JJJ and not you. And even though you've gotten someone lynched before, you going after Kyle was distinctly different.
As for the inspiration behind my "reversal", I had a rough Day 1. Day 2 sloonei dosn't trust the judgment of Day 1 Sloonei. I've reversed on a lot of things. Kyle is a town read right now, for instance.
Like I've said, the "fire" in my case against Kyle was less to do with conviction about Kyle being bad, and more about my general frustration with the direction of the thread at the time.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am
He made that big ass case on speedchuck earlier today that you were enamored with.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:38 amHas he done anything that gives you the opposite (civilian) impression?Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 amMy only complaint with LC is a small one- that he was doing exactly what FZ. accused him of doing (answering for her). I noted this because I said to myself that I would have rather had FZ. answer for herself.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:30 am With limited time remaining, I'd appreciate some quick feedback on the LC gripes I just posted.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 am
Fake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.
Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
1. He said that this was Civ Epi, per usual. I'm not sure what else you were looking for. I think, by saying this, he implied a Civ!you as well.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am I don't think it's prudent with limited time remaining to compile a huge, thorough LC ISO -- I'm not even sure I can finish it in time. Cliff notes:
~ Epignosis and I were fiercely antagonistic with each other for nearly all of Day 1. We ate up a lot of thread content with that combat, and left all other observers scratching their heads trying to parse apart the motives. If there's anyone alive who should keenly understand what scenario and be able to provide insight on it, it's the other guy who has so frequently found himself in the same position against Epignosis.
What insight did he provide? Fuck all. He made a few isolated comments about it, but never anything of substance. To check yourself, click here and CTRL+F for Epi or 3J/Jay/JJJ
~ FZ. gave him crap for "asking clarification questions". LC's immediate response was to accuse her of inventing that notion. I don't see many avenues for that to be a neutral or better comment from LC to FZ -- it's a suspicion. This turned into a somewhat hostile exchange, and LC continues to assert that FZ is making shit up, or at least "making unfounded claims", and challenges her for proof. At no point does LC voice a clear read on FZ in light of this debate -- his commentary carries discrediting weight but does not probe his accuser to learn more about her (trendy new accusation). This smells of CFTWR (caught for the wrong reasons).
2. This is exactly how he responds when Epi brings the same kind of suspicions against him, though he usually does go after Epi in response.
If it is CFTWR, then that would explain why LC is hesitant to 'OMGUS' or whatever you want to call it.I see your points, but they're not as damning as I'd like.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
Ok, hey hey, I'm still two pages back, but what's up?
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am
Why am I in the lead now? What's the case? I had to skip to the present or I'll just miss the lynch.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am
Yeah I changed my mind on that. MacDougall suggested, fairly I think, that it wouldn't be out of character for mafia LC to shove thicker content into the thread as the climate worsens for him, and by that point a few people were reading him south-of-null.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:42 am
Jay, I like your thoughts on LC. I'll vote for him. If you're wrong I'll lynch you next.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:43 am
I can't speak for Mac or FZ. Here are my gripes.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
FZ using bad logic to accuse me isn't the same as her having a bad role card.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am1. He said that this was Civ Epi, per usual. I'm not sure what else you were looking for. I think, by saying this, he implied a Civ!you as well.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:28 am I don't think it's prudent with limited time remaining to compile a huge, thorough LC ISO -- I'm not even sure I can finish it in time. Cliff notes:
~ Epignosis and I were fiercely antagonistic with each other for nearly all of Day 1. We ate up a lot of thread content with that combat, and left all other observers scratching their heads trying to parse apart the motives. If there's anyone alive who should keenly understand what scenario and be able to provide insight on it, it's the other guy who has so frequently found himself in the same position against Epignosis.
What insight did he provide? Fuck all. He made a few isolated comments about it, but never anything of substance. To check yourself, click here and CTRL+F for Epi or 3J/Jay/JJJ
~ FZ. gave him crap for "asking clarification questions". LC's immediate response was to accuse her of inventing that notion. I don't see many avenues for that to be a neutral or better comment from LC to FZ -- it's a suspicion. This turned into a somewhat hostile exchange, and LC continues to assert that FZ is making shit up, or at least "making unfounded claims", and challenges her for proof. At no point does LC voice a clear read on FZ in light of this debate -- his commentary carries discrediting weight but does not probe his accuser to learn more about her (trendy new accusation
2. This is exactly how he responds when Epi brings the same kind of suspicions against him, though he usually does go after Epi in response.
I see your points, but they're not as damning as I'd like.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
when did I tell you whether or not I agree with your reasons for suspecting people?LoRab wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 amNot particularly. I have other players I feel are probably civ, but no reason to point them out. If I had other reads on players I think are bad, I'd have stated them by now.
Do you care to say why you think I'm bad, other than the fact that you disagree with the reasons I suspect people?
I think you're bad because the reads you've shared with me right now have not felt very thorough or convincing. Your read of Epi, the strongest one you possess in the game, is based on something vague that you can't identify in anything he's done this day phase. Your case against speedchuck is that he moves his vote around too much in a game with changeable votes. You only offered a "gut" civ read on me when I pressed you for it. And the read which started off this suspicion, your read of nutella, is similarly week. we started by talking about how that bandwagon was suspicious, and you ended by saying that speedchuck's involvement was suspicious because it was suspicious, and that Epi is suspicious regardless of whether or not he was involved. You didn't offer a comment on Jay, just brushed him off. You gave an (understandable) shrug to wilgy.
It's been a long time since I played a game with you, but I remember the strong town LoRab from Mad Max. I don't see her here.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:45 am
What thoughts? I'm Civ, what is the case??JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amThe fuck?
You like my thoughts and if they're wrong I'm dead? Your vote is your responsibility, not mine. "Disgusting"
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:45 am
I could also go for a tie between Jay and LC. There are people I trust in both voter pools, and I've had so much trouble deciding whether I think people are bad or not that I'm cool with leaving it up to chance tbh.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:46 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:46 am
Care to join me on the LoRab wagon?nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 amFake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.
Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:46 am
You just quoted a speedchuck post which featured my case in another quote.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:45 amWhat thoughts? I'm Civ, what is the case??JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 amThe fuck?
You like my thoughts and if they're wrong I'm dead? Your vote is your responsibility, not mine. "Disgusting"
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:47 am
@y'all: what do you think of LoRab right now?
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am
I am also maybe toodrunk? If you have more than one vote tell me why I should or shouldnt vote for you please
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am
Of all the things going on, you're jumping into this commenting on being confused about Dizzy?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.
You're voting alongside Dizzy.
This makes me think bad things about you despite your empowered return.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am
I was on it briefly when you asked me to. You snooze you lose.Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:46 amCare to join me on the LoRab wagon?nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:40 amFake news. My read on you has fluctuated a fair amount in the last day. For most of this day phase I've chosen and stuck with the idea that you are more likely bad than Epi, but I'm not actually 100% on you despite appearances.
Lorab is a very waffley read for me right now but GTH bad.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:49 am
Crap, if this is true then that really changes the landscape for my suspicions... shit.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:58 pmTheory: Dizzy has been forced to vote for me via the This Guy role and "a punishment of his choice".Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:55 pmI think NVN would make a decent alternative if I wasn’t so occupied with persuing your lynch because your case on Epig was bad.
Last try. You, Speed and Epig should try figure out if I’m town or scum here. Good luck if you need it.
Linki: Epi, I am reading alongside of playing an rpg and i keep seeing conversation about Dizzy but I was clearly not getting what was being said and just realized it, that is what I mean. See above.
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:50 am
Why is nutella on Jay now too?
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:50 am
Perhaps Daisy is on the team that forced Dizzy to vote for Jay. If I decide to believe that I would move my vote off of Jay.Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:48 amOf all the things going on, you're jumping into this commenting on being confused about Dizzy?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am I am super confused about whatever is going on with Dizzy right now... uh... sim is running behind and I'm trying to do both at once, it's not going well for my brain. Let me try and look back over this stuff.
You're voting alongside Dizzy.
This makes me think bad things about you despite your empowered return.
Guys I've changed my mind about 5704893 times today
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am
Re: Fiddler on the Roof Mafia
Posted: Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:51 am
What rpg?