[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

[Enrique]

I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Timmer and Sorsha have set up a kind of Catch-22 here. If I vote for either one, it clearly means that I'm bad and the only thing behind my cases against them is my apparent seething rage at having them throw my name around.

People have so little faith in the concept of objectivity, especially when it comes to other people.

I'm not seeing the case on Serge, mainly because I led a lynch against him in my last game due to his acting more or less the same way as he's doing here. He was a civ, I was embarrassed, and everybody went home depressed. I haven't seen anything that makes me feel he isn't playing the same exact game as he did there, and I don't want to him to get lynched over it.

Yes, I do find T+S suspicious, but I've also somehow become the dark horse for this lynch out of absolutely nowhere, and if I act genuinely, and vote for the people I find suspicious, those same people will use that to suspect and likely try to lynch me.

So I'm kind of stuck.

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that they are bad at all. Just that they're "suspicious".

[DrumBeats]

So Serge never came back to thread after getting huffy. Did he quit? I'm not so sure I believe the dramatics. I want to hear MEAT from him before placing my vote there.

I haven't even really looked at Sorsha, and don't feel comfortable putting my vote on her.

I am keeping my vote on timmer. There's just not enough time for me to place another educated vote for the current leaders, plus timmer is bad, guys.

Timmer did you not try and save himself? A vote for INH at that point was pointless. Though I now see he has votes. Mmk.

Linki: lol why are we doing a CFD?

I think LoRab is bad. If it doesn't get support I switch my vote back. I'm not a fan of the timmer wagon. Timmer's vote on INH is relatively consistent with his whole game thoughts imo.

How do you feel about LoRab?

[Epignosis]

I'm not budging from my spot.

[DrumBeats]

Chinese Fire Drill ---> LoRab anybody?

Yes I am down. Switching vote there now, will move off and onto another sus if we don't have enough.

you're deciding who you want to lynch like a family decides where they want to go to eat on a late Sunday night when there's no food in the house

Wut.

[DrumBeats]

I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Timmer and Sorsha have set up a kind of Catch-22 here. If I vote for either one, it clearly means that I'm bad and the only thing behind my cases against them is my apparent seething rage at having them throw my name around.

People have so little faith in the concept of objectivity, especially when it comes to other people.

I'm not seeing the case on Serge, mainly because I led a lynch against him in my last game due to his acting more or less the same way as he's doing here. He was a civ, I was embarrassed, and everybody went home depressed. I haven't seen anything that makes me feel he isn't playing the same exact game as he did there, and I don't want to him to get lynched over it.

Yes, I do find T+S suspicious, but I've also somehow become the dark horse for this lynch out of absolutely nowhere, and if I act genuinely, and vote for the people I find suspicious, those same people will use that to suspect and likely try to lynch me.

So I'm kind of stuck.

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that they are bad at all. Just that they're "suspicious".

1) How do you feel about LoRab?

2) Can you place your vote soon so I can make a more informed decision here?

[insertnamehere]

INH, if I don't get a response, I am voting you.

oh gee wilikers the ol' "If you don't answer my question in the next 20 minutes, that gives me probable cause to vote for you, because of reasons"

Its EoD, and I need to decide, and you were around. No apologies there, you said to ask questions and I did. Don't like the defensive attitude.

i just think that answering questions is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not someone is scum. plus i think its easy for scum to try and trap people into these types of things that they can point back to and say that they had justification.

[Turnip Head]

LoRab-rabby-do, where are you...

[Scotty]

Why don't these discussions happen earlier? I'm not voting for someone because a man emails me promising me 40,000 dollars if I give him a down payment now.

[DrumBeats]

INH, if I don't get a response, I am voting you.

oh gee wilikers the ol' "If you don't answer my question in the next 20 minutes, that gives me probable cause to vote for you, because of reasons"

Its EoD, and I need to decide, and you were around. No apologies there, you said to ask questions and I did. Don't like the defensive attitude.

i just think that answering questions is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not someone is scum. plus i think its easy for scum to try and trap people into these types of things that they can point back to and say that they had justification.

So you don't like reaction baiting or asking questions. What do you like?

[DrumBeats]

Why don't these discussions happen earlier? I'm not voting for someone because a man emails me promising me 40,000 dollars if I give him a down payment now.

I tried to bring up LoRab earlier, nobody jumped.

[insertnamehere]

I can see an INH vote, but I haven't had time to seriously look into it. I don't have time for a full ISO but I'll take a gander at the history. Of the three wagons, I think Sorsha is the best, and Serge's is decent as well. I'm not really feeling the timmer wagon right now, but I would also be comfortable switching my vote to LoRab, if we could get enough.

The case on me is just all the old Wilgy stuff + Timmer and Sorsha not liking me talking about them, and viewing any suspicion I have of them as inherently disingenuine and suspicious because they said earlier that they find me inherently disingenuine and suspicious.

If anyone wishes to engage me on either of those things, feel free to do so, and I will respond.

Will you vote for one of timmer and Sorsha?

Timmer and Sorsha have set up a kind of Catch-22 here. If I vote for either one, it clearly means that I'm bad and the only thing behind my cases against them is my apparent seething rage at having them throw my name around.

People have so little faith in the concept of objectivity, especially when it comes to other people.

I'm not seeing the case on Serge, mainly because I led a lynch against him in my last game due to his acting more or less the same way as he's doing here. He was a civ, I was embarrassed, and everybody went home depressed. I haven't seen anything that makes me feel he isn't playing the same exact game as he did there, and I don't want to him to get lynched over it.

Yes, I do find T+S suspicious, but I've also somehow become the dark horse for this lynch out of absolutely nowhere, and if I act genuinely, and vote for the people I find suspicious, those same people will use that to suspect and likely try to lynch me.

So I'm kind of stuck.

You don't seem to be considering the possibility that they are bad at all. Just that they're "suspicious".

Because I don't have enough info on ANYONE to call them bad. They're just the people I find most suspicious at this time.

call me evasive or wishy-washy or whatever, but I just don't like to categorically claim someone's alignment.

[Enrique]

Turnip Head are you... okay? This has been a really weird day for you.

This LoRab thing stinks.

linki- no read on LoRab, I have no idea what's up with this. I'm voting inh.

[DrumBeats]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

[DrumBeats]

Don't like sorsha's ghost vote at the end

[Scotty]

this eod is like a donkey marrying a woman because she just got cataract surgery and can't see the groom.

In other words, this is gonna be fun analysis. Hope one of the leaders is bad.

[Turnip Head]

Turnip Head are you... okay? This has been a really weird day for you.

I'm shooting from the hip because I have no idea what to do.

[Sorsha]

Voted serge to try to save myself. Would have preferred inh or maybe even lorab ?

[Scotty]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

Looks like I'm doing a lot of reading from you in this night phase.

[DrumBeats]

this eod is like a donkey marrying a woman because she just got cataract surgery and can't see the groom.

In other words, this is gonna be fun analysis. Hope one of the leaders is bad.

This is going to be a fun analysis I agree. I'm really disappointed none of you losers hopped onto the Lorab fire drill.

[Sorsha]

Don't like sorsha's ghost vote at the end

I'm at work can't sit around clicking my heels

[Enrique]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

[Sorsha]

You guys all suck

[Turnip Head]

I'm going to go hide now

[insertnamehere]

INH, if I don't get a response, I am voting you.

oh gee wilikers the ol' "If you don't answer my question in the next 20 minutes, that gives me probable cause to vote for you, because of reasons"

Its EoD, and I need to decide, and you were around. No apologies there, you said to ask questions and I did. Don't like the defensive attitude.

i just think that answering questions is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not someone is scum. plus i think its easy for scum to try and trap people into these types of things that they can point back to and say that they had justification.

So you don't like reaction baiting or asking questions. What do you like?

I like asking questions to find out information, I don't like voting for someone because they didn't answer my questions.

Picture me as Lester Freamon from The Wire. I don't go in for flashy gimmicky tactics or emotion based votes.

I vote based on clear reasonings, ISO's, and good solid po-lice work. By the way, I am enjoying your thread ISO's, thank you for doing them.

[DrumBeats]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

[insertnamehere]

Turnip Head are you... okay? This has been a really weird day for you.

This LoRab thing stinks.

linki- no read on LoRab, I have no idea what's up with this. I'm voting inh.

can i ask why?

10 points to Gryffindor if you avoid the words "read" and "NO U"

[DrumBeats]

INH, if I don't get a response, I am voting you.

oh gee wilikers the ol' "If you don't answer my question in the next 20 minutes, that gives me probable cause to vote for you, because of reasons"

Its EoD, and I need to decide, and you were around. No apologies there, you said to ask questions and I did. Don't like the defensive attitude.

i just think that answering questions is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not someone is scum. plus i think its easy for scum to try and trap people into these types of things that they can point back to and say that they had justification.

So you don't like reaction baiting or asking questions. What do you like?

I like asking questions to find out information, I don't like voting for someone because they didn't answer my questions.

Picture me as Lester Freamon from The Wire. I don't go in for flashy gimmicky tactics or emotion based votes.

I vote based on clear reasonings, ISO's, and good solid po-lice work. By the way, I am enjoying your thread ISO's, thank you for doing them.

You were on and promised to answer questions. If you didn't you'd have been dodging them imo.

And which ISOs do you agree with, and which do you not?

[insertnamehere]

this lynch is like a bunch of blind men stumbling around in the dark

[Scotty]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

I'll read your ISO on her in a bit, but why in gods green earth is that a justifiable reason to vote for someone in the last 10 minutes?

This question is for TH also.

[Enrique]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

Maybe she got silenced?

Guys what the fuck just happened? Seriously, those last 5 minutes, what is wrong with y'all?

linki- like I said dude, you never considered a scenario where either of them were bad and everything worked out for you.

This lynch was a clusterfuck, but now I'm convinced at least one of you three is bad. I'mma say, tho, TH's last minute fuckery makes it unlikely to be Sorsha.

[Scotty]

this lynch is like a bunch of blind men stumbling around in the dark

If it ends in a Mafia lynch then I think the blind men just got some sick new glasses so they can stumble around in the day

[Dom]

Ding Dong, The Strangler's Dead

Sorsha has been lynched. She was the Scranton Strangler.

It is now Night 5. You have 24 hours to get your PMs in and pick a civilian amongst you.

[Dom]

Who's Fired?

Poll ended at Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:26 pm


bea
0
No votes
DFaraday
0
No votes
Drumbeats
1
Spacedaisy (12) 5%
enrique
0
No votes
Epignosis
0
No votes
fingersplints
0
No votes
espers
0
No votes
insertnamehere
2
timmer (11), Enrique (17) 10%
LoRab
0
No votes
Scotty
0
No votes
Serge
4
fingersplints (4), DFaraday (13), espers (14), Sorsha (18) 20%
Turnip Head
0
No votes
Sorsha
5
Epignosis (6), bea (9), insertnamehere (16), DrumBeats (19), Turnip Head (20) 25%
Spacedaisy
0
No votes
timmer
2
Scotty (5), Serge (7) 10%
Juliets
0
No votes
Syco! (Dom etc)
6
Dom (1), indiglo (2), Dex (3), Quin (8), S~V~S (10), Golden (15) 30%
Total votes : 20

[Turnip Head]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

I'll read your ISO on her in a bit, but why in gods green earth is that a justifiable reason to vote for someone in the last 10 minutes?

This question is for TH also.

My answer is "Because this is a game of mafia".

No but really I already explained why my vote was in flux. Sadly I wasn't around enough this phase to discuss it much.

Linki: Oh snap

[Enrique]

... I can live with that.

[DrumBeats]

A lot of us are here, and theres a bit of controversy so, just for 3J it is now GTH time. I'll post 3 people every few minutes.

@ linki Scotty - Because it's been a long time suspicion of mine and Serge, timmer, and INH were meh to me, mostly because I haven't had enough time to look into INH and Serge yet and I don't see a strong case on timmer. I've been pushing for LoRab for a while and I find a lot of reason to vote her.

@ Dom Linki - That's pretty good I guess. Wish it was mafia but anti-town indy is the next best thing.

[DrumBeats]

Gun to Head:

bea

DFaraday

Drumbeats

[insertnamehere]

INH, if I don't get a response, I am voting you.

oh gee wilikers the ol' "If you don't answer my question in the next 20 minutes, that gives me probable cause to vote for you, because of reasons"

Its EoD, and I need to decide, and you were around. No apologies there, you said to ask questions and I did. Don't like the defensive attitude.

i just think that answering questions is completely and utterly irrelevant to whether or not someone is scum. plus i think its easy for scum to try and trap people into these types of things that they can point back to and say that they had justification.

So you don't like reaction baiting or asking questions. What do you like?

I like asking questions to find out information, I don't like voting for someone because they didn't answer my questions.

Picture me as Lester Freamon from The Wire. I don't go in for flashy gimmicky tactics or emotion based votes.

I vote based on clear reasonings, ISO's, and good solid po-lice work. By the way, I am enjoying your thread ISO's, thank you for doing them.

You were on and promised to answer questions. If you didn't you'd have been dodging them imo.

And which ISOs do you agree with, and which do you not?

I think the post counting and sorting into Fluff, Mechanics, and whatnot to be kinda arbitrary, and I don't necessarily agree with you on some interpretations of actions, but I'm glad someone's doing the work.

If you want me to respond to and analyze each and every ISO you did, give me some time to do so. I can have it done by sometime tomorrow. Don't try to lynch me for "dodging the question," please and thank you.

[Enrique]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

I'll read your ISO on her in a bit, but why in gods green earth is that a justifiable reason to vote for someone in the last 10 minutes?

This question is for TH also.

My answer is "Because this is a game of mafia".

No but really I already explained why my vote was in flux. Sadly I wasn't around enough this phase to discuss it much.

Linki: Oh snap

Is that it?

[LoRab]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

Yeah, that happens when one is silenced. Seriously folks, online all the time. Posting in other threads. That's kind of clear code for: people, I've been silenced.

Classy move to y'all for trying to lynch me while I wasn't able to post, though.

i'll respond later when I'm not actively pissed off at not being able to defend when people are voting for me out of nowhere.

[Scotty]

Well...huzzah! That's not a terrible result.

Holy shit guys. I can't wait to analyze the shit out of this vote.

But I am going to bed. Tomorrow I will tho.

Linki: I will do this

Bea: good
DFaraday: good
Drumbeats: bad

[Enrique]

Gun to Head:

bea

DFaraday

Drumbeats

Good

Good

Terrible.

[Turnip Head]

Gun to Head:

bea - town

DFaraday - mafia

Drumbeats - town

[Dom]

Votes are NOT changeable in the above poll.

[DrumBeats]

@ linki INH - fair. The divisions were mostly to show how much meat was actually in them.

Gun to Head:

bea

DFaraday

Drumbeats

Town

Town

Town

[Turnip Head]

Did you read my LoRab ISO?

... no sorry. been busy.

Either way, CFDs are lame. Especially on players who haven't been around at all.

LoRab has been lurking a lot though. I keep seeing her online browsing this. Plus the sketchy Quin push and weird stance on SVS that felt forced.

I'll read your ISO on her in a bit, but why in gods green earth is that a justifiable reason to vote for someone in the last 10 minutes?

This question is for TH also.

My answer is "Because this is a game of mafia".

No but really I already explained why my vote was in flux. Sadly I wasn't around enough this phase to discuss it much.

Linki: Oh snap

Is that it?

I think so. Why, do you think I missed something?

[DrumBeats]

GTH:

enrique

Epignosis

fingersplints

[DFaraday]

Great outcome! Although, I assume she was an SK or something similar, so we still don't have much information to build upon.

Gun to Head:

bea

DFaraday

Drumbeats

Good

Good

Good

[DrumBeats]

GTH:

enrique

Epignosis

fingersplints

Town

Mafia

Mafia

[Enrique]

GTH:

enrique

Epignosis

fingersplints

Good

Bad

Bad.