Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
DrWilgyrundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:47 pm unvote Marmot
vote: Nutella
Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.
dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:46 pmone end of night and one day phase replacement, also, I wasn't lynched. I was MISLYNCHED. Rub it in, mouse. Rub it in.Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:44 pmWasn't she lynched on Day 2 in that game?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:14 pm Remember the time dunya had 320 posts with 22 hours remaining in Day 1?
why dr wilgy?nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pmDrWilgyrundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:47 pm unvote Marmot
vote: Nutella
Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.
Thanks for this post. The whole Mac thing rubbed me the wrong way as I voiced before and I forgot nutella's post was a big reason why. There is definitely something to be said for being as careful not to commit as all that.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.
Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.
All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
omg I missed you!!rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:47 pm Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.
Theory : Nutella is scum who just listed 4 civs to screw with our heads after being lynched
I think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
ah, you've never played with me though. if there's one thing that characterizes me as a player it's being waffly and noncommittal, especially early in the game when there is little to go on. I'm constantly going back and forth on my reads as the discussion develops and I change my mind a lot on day 1 in every game I've ever played. And I use noncommittal/hedgey language all the time, just being honest that I am unsure of anything. sometimes I even change my mind while writing a stream-of-consciousness post and flip flop on someone. I always get suspected for this and I've tried to play more assertively lately but it's really difficult for me, I always end up wafflinggwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.
Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.
All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
I figured. I think it's a decent question to ask of anyone/everyone at this stage
I really hate the mention feature. I don't even know how those Ls got there.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:03 pm Are those tags going to work with the stray "L" at the ends?
If I wanted waffles I'd go to Denny's.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:57 pmah, you've never played with me though. if there's one thing that characterizes me as a player it's being waffly and noncommittal, especially early in the game when there is little to go on. I'm constantly going back and forth on my reads as the discussion develops and I change my mind a lot on day 1 in every game I've ever played. And I use noncommittal/hedgey language all the time, just being honest that I am unsure of anything. sometimes I even change my mind while writing a stream-of-consciousness post and flip flop on someone. I always get suspected for this and I've tried to play more assertively lately but it's really difficult for me, I always end up wafflinggwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.
Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.
All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
He's MIA, I haven't even seen the usual zany shit from him since the draft (he hasn't posted at all since the actual day started). Laying that low, combined with the set of roles he requested, put him at a pretty bad spot for me atm.
[mention]dunya[/mention] see? macdougall.
No it's not just that, it's that they haven't posted at all during the day phase. They need to say something. Anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
You won't, eh?dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:17 pmI am representing RYM full force. I won't let Syndicators think we are a force to be reckoned with.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:14 pm Remember the time dunya had 320 posts with 22 hours remaining in Day 1?
also the syndicate is famous for having lurking scum members so this is a prod at "at least one lurker has to be scum". it's not fool proof accurate or anything, but it's a running gag.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 pmI think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
Say something, I'm giving up on younutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pmNo it's not just that, it's that they haven't posted at all during the day phase. They need to say something. Anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
They're great with nutella, just sayinrundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:00 pmIf I wanted waffles I'd go to Denny's.nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:57 pmah, you've never played with me though. if there's one thing that characterizes me as a player it's being waffly and noncommittal, especially early in the game when there is little to go on. I'm constantly going back and forth on my reads as the discussion develops and I change my mind a lot on day 1 in every game I've ever played. And I use noncommittal/hedgey language all the time, just being honest that I am unsure of anything. sometimes I even change my mind while writing a stream-of-consciousness post and flip flop on someone. I always get suspected for this and I've tried to play more assertively lately but it's really difficult for me, I always end up wafflinggwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:48 pm I looked at nutella's ISO because of that post and to me, it's characterized mostly but non-commitment. So far she's made two votes this one for Mac, which demonstrates my point nicely. Look at these phrases: "Can't decide how to feel," "Maybe it's excusable," but apparently it's enough for her to place a vote. Looks like she's trying to dip her toes in the water with a case that was already floating around, but trying not to commit too much in case it didn't pan out.
Which it obviously didn't. Here is the one strong stance nutella seems to take. And she backs down from it 2 hours and 2 posts later here. Again, very very noncommittal. And only because you don't think Mac would fake not knowing his alignment as scum? I can certainly imagine Mac doing that.
All this trepidation combined with that weird post on giving Tony shaman is enough for me to VOTE NUTELLA
Lurking scum were famous on RYm toodunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 pmalso the syndicate is famous for having lurking scum members so this is a prod at "at least one lurker has to be scum". it's not fool proof accurate or anything, but it's a running gag.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 pmI think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
I mean I started ISOing and writing that post immediately after my last post on nutella, so I was kinda hoping people would be following my lead after this post and didn't realize other people would already be going at her.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:58 pm @gwilikers6, you seem to be in a go-get em attitude? Why? Especially, why vote for Nutella so soon after I did?
There it is!rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:47 pm unvote Marmot
vote: Nutella
Gth, who would you kill right now? Think carefully as this person actually will die. I have a secret day kill.
Deflect attention? Nah man that's a stretch. I was pretty sure you were only asking me, but it wasn't totally clear, and I answered but I'd be happy to see others answer it as well.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:01 pmI didn't wanna ask everyone, I wanted to ask you. Your attempt to deflect attention to others is noted.
Nutella’s draft choice is mostly meaningless. Being wary of giving Wilgy the kill role is reasonable and I was the only other person asking for something. Notably Nutella would have to choose what role to give Wilgy because Wilgy asked for three and a lack of that choice perpetuates the indecisive thing.
but they don't do modkills here. ever. EVER.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:04 pmLurking scum were famous on RYm toodunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 pmalso the syndicate is famous for having lurking scum members so this is a prod at "at least one lurker has to be scum". it's not fool proof accurate or anything, but it's a running gag.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 pmI think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
Don’t say ever.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:06 pmbut they don't do modkills here. ever. EVER.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:04 pmLurking scum were famous on RYm toodunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 pmalso the syndicate is famous for having lurking scum members so this is a prod at "at least one lurker has to be scum". it's not fool proof accurate or anything, but it's a running gag.gwilikers6 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:56 pmI think the idea is more that they're lurking in general. Them not answering Epi's request is coincidental arising from the fact that they're not saying anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
what's your conclusive read?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:06 pmNutella’s draft choice is mostly meaningless. Being wary of giving Wilgy the kill role is reasonable and I was the only other person asking for something. Notably Nutella would have to choose what role to give Wilgy because Wilgy asked for three and a lack of that choice perpetuates the indecisive thing.
Nutella was acting confused about the roles to start which is fine because they are confusing and maybe that lends credence to the theory of when she gave me the role she didn’t really know what it was.
But that’s an unnecessary argument because someone’s going to get the role and I don’t think I was being scumread at that time.
In response to LC saying that if I’m scum the person who gave me shaman is also scum (which is just not a good argument) Nutella responded by saying she was “more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role” which is fair.
In response gwilikers saying “hey your post seems scummy” Nutella espoused the “I would feel bad if I miessed up” point of view which is something I wouldn’t associate with Nutella but I think I’ve only played with scum Nutella so I’m not the best judge of that.
didn't you also ask for the wyvern though?
top song. +1.rundontwalk wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:03 pmSay something, I'm giving up on younutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:02 pmNo it's not just that, it's that they haven't posted at all during the day phase. They need to say something. Anything.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 6:54 pm Well, maybe, but they're also the remaining four who haven't said anything re: Epignosis' request, so I want to know why nutella thinks they need to answer it and why not answering it makes them seem suspicious.
I'll be the one, if you want me to
Anywhere, I would've followed you
Say something, I'm giving up on you…
Yes?
yeah, I asked for wyvern or pegasus for mostly flavory reasons, though like it would have been cool to get the vig but I totally don't blame DDL for giving me the weaker of the ones I asked for, as I probably would have done for Wilgy had Tony not come along with a more straightforward requestKylemii wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:10 pmdidn't you also ask for the wyvern though?
hm I think I feel pretty neutral about him, lemme look at his iso
Nutella is very indecisive but I don’t know if that’s AI or just Nutella meta and I want to know what more familiar syndicateers have to say about it before I can make a conclusive read.dunya wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:09 pmwhat's your conclusive read?TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:06 pmNutella’s draft choice is mostly meaningless. Being wary of giving Wilgy the kill role is reasonable and I was the only other person asking for something. Notably Nutella would have to choose what role to give Wilgy because Wilgy asked for three and a lack of that choice perpetuates the indecisive thing.
Nutella was acting confused about the roles to start which is fine because they are confusing and maybe that lends credence to the theory of when she gave me the role she didn’t really know what it was.
But that’s an unnecessary argument because someone’s going to get the role and I don’t think I was being scumread at that time.
In response to LC saying that if I’m scum the person who gave me shaman is also scum (which is just not a good argument) Nutella responded by saying she was “more wary of Wilgy asking for a killing role” which is fair.
In response gwilikers saying “hey your post seems scummy” Nutella espoused the “I would feel bad if I miessed up” point of view which is something I wouldn’t associate with Nutella but I think I’ve only played with scum Nutella so I’m not the best judge of that.
The main thing I don't like is broadcasting the indecision that much, but that might be a meta I'm unaware of. Looking through the ISO I gotta say I don't like either the vote for Mac or for TSP, though. They seem like shaky cases. I am sympathetic, though, to being confused about the roles because I am too. Unfortunately I can't make up my mind.
What is there to address? It looks like participating because guess what?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmAs I have said before, and as you have not addressed, it looks to me like it's "participating."Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 4:23 pmThis is the third time you've criticized or questioned what I'm dong. How can you judge the usefulness of this before I've gone through with it? Your initial criticism of what I was doing was this:ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 12:14 amDunya: mostly positive, actually, but strong players ought to be kept under scrutiny. Excitement scares me in Mafia because I know I’m always more excited when I get to lie. Then again she was excited enough to invite me before roles were called so it also seems genuine.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:51 pmWhat are your reads on the four people in question?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:50 pm Nope, not on RYM that I can recall, other games on other forums where I got my ass handed to me by some really manipulative “supertown” SOBs.
dunya
Kylemii
Dragon D. Luffy
colonialbob
Kylemii: not a lot here for me, but I can’t agree with your read because it’s based on a meta I have no knowledge of. Nothing seems particularly scummy but nothing seems particularly towny.
DDL: I’m not sold on the case against Mac that people were all aboard for a little bit ago. The vote against him here struck me as capitalizing on his post with a rationale that looks good at first but not really under scrutiny. I don’t think a scum would offer himself up so easily on Day 1 as a sacrificial lamb when there’s slight momentum against him, but a townie might. I don’t also see anything in the hunting style that’s particularly better than anybody else’s.
Colonialbob: again, not a lot of feelings here but see the above re: hunting style
(In general the interactions between Mac and others are not adding up, including to Mac himself, and pursuing something there, between those players, might be the best route to go.)
The main theme here is that your rationale is based on intuitions I don’t share or information I don’t have access to, which isn’t your fault.
Also, I really want to know why Epignosis wants to know who we would pick?
How can you know what the mafia is being "invited" to do if you don't even know what I'm doing?I also think the exercise about asking who we would pick to be on our team is a little odd, it’s basically inviting the mafia to throw you off, no? Doesn’t seem to me like there’s a lot to gleam from it so that begs the question, why ask it?
And if you are not mafia, and you don't really believe I'm mafia (because you differentiated between me and the mafia by saying I was inviting the mafia to throw me off), then I cannot fathom why you wouldn't answer my question in good conscience.
I think I will vote after all.
Vote: ColinisCool
You have asked me or wondered aloud now three times about what I am doing. I haven't answered you. There's a damn good reason for that. Were I to answer, the mafia now know what I am doing. Thanks, but no thanks.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmDistracting, building up a resume of contributing in a pro-town direction without actually pushing things in a helpful direction.
First of all, as our dear friend llama has pointed out before, people have been caught being directly asked if they were mafia.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmYou might as well be asking "Hey Mafia, are you Mafia?" and expecting something good to come of it.
What if it's not a matter of seeing what names pop up with the most frequency? What then?ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmEven if it is a matter of seeing which names pop up and addressing the biggest "threats" somehow, this whole thing just adds another dimension of manipulation by the mafia if you're town, or it's your attempt at manipulation if you're mafia (because to be clear, I never said I thought you were town, that statement pretty easily indicates a suspicion).
Nothing I can glean from your answer? You make a terrible mistake to underestimate me.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmAnother reason why I think it's not helpful is because of my own answer. I don't know who I would pick because I don't know anybody here so it would probably be random. Thus, there is nothing you can gleam from my answer, so you might as well be asking people ITT "what's your favorite kind of sandwich?"
Momentum against me? Please. I have two, maybe three votes against me in a 20+ player game. That isn't momentum. That's chicken shit.ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2018 5:40 pmLastly, your vote really strikes me as a defensive scum move, voting for me just because I'm voicing suspicions against you while you refuse to clarify or address any question posed to you (and not just by me.) It doesn't help that there's momentum against you as of your post.
