The Syndicate

l O l y'aaaaaaaaaaaaaal hyena's actually town i think

*looks at my reads*

*cringes*

oooof something's wrong here

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 am I actually think you might be

Do you think I've only been pushing town?

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:37 am I actually think you might be

Do you think I've only been pushing town?

I'd have to remember who you're pushing to answer that

hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD.

WHERE'S THE SCUM

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:41 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)

does this feel like scum hyena or town hyena to you?

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:41 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)

does this feel like scum hyena or town hyena to you?

Could be either!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:43 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:41 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)

does this feel like scum hyena or town hyena to you?

Could be either!

ahhh..... aha.

well

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:44 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:43 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:42 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:41 am

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am hyena was O F F n1 but the buildup looked genuine except for the flip flop on nutella but she's town so ...

nanook you got some meta knowledge on him?

A very small amount, a scum game and a pair of town games (only one I remember well tho)

does this feel like scum hyena or town hyena to you?

Could be either!

ahhh..... aha.

well

I know, helpful answer right?

idk if i'd be down with a hyena shot anymore tbh. if i'm wrong it's whatever.

jack or wilgy are some real spicy shots imo

but once again your opinion matters the most

What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.

I don’t think I’d shoot wilgy today, if last game is anything to go on if he’s town he’ll show him himself eventually and be a force. I was terrified of him as soon as he started playing in the coronavirus game.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:47 am What I’d like to get from everyone is two people you would shoot and two people you would not. Doesn’t have to be ranked 1/2, I don’t care. Just give me two names on either end.

I would NOT shoot G-Man or Funny.
I WOULD shoot Dragomir or Boo.

OH YEAH. DRAGOMIR

is an option

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:40 am WHY IS THIS GAME SO HARD.

WHERE'S THE SCUM

Because everyone’s treating like a different game entirely. Hunt scum during the day, vote for the person who looks the most authentic in the poll.

Sloonei top two bottom two hit me with the good stuff!

I'm not ignoring Dougal/Dusk thing. I just think Dougal being salty about nutella flipping town is genuine.

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:15 am I'm not ignoring Dougal/Dusk thing. I just think Dougal being salty about nutella flipping town is genuine.

Cool, give me two names you'd shoot and two you wouldn't

If Dougall is mafia, he wouldnt be so critical and salty about Nutella death. He would just shrug it off and say stuff like everyone wanted her dead

Dougall came in and told us we were lazy, unmotivated and we allowed it to happen. Mafia doing a pep talk to town is beyond me. If dougall is mafia then wp

Id shoot
Dragomir - Hyena

I wouldnt shoot
Gman
Gman

Haha very funny give me a second name you wouldn’t shoot

Haha very funny give me a second name you wouldn’t shoot

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 am If Dougall is mafia, he wouldnt be so critical and salty about Nutella death. He would just shrug it off and say stuff like everyone wanted her dead

Dougall came in and told us we were lazy, unmotivated and we allowed it to happen. Mafia doing a pep talk to town is beyond me. If dougall is mafia then wp

Id shoot
Dragomir - Hyena

I wouldnt shoot
Gman
Gman

Mac doing that is implicitly blaming everyone else for the wrong shot, yeah?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:15 am

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 am If Dougall is mafia, he wouldnt be so critical and salty about Nutella death. He would just shrug it off and say stuff like everyone wanted her dead

Dougall came in and told us we were lazy, unmotivated and we allowed it to happen. Mafia doing a pep talk to town is beyond me. If dougall is mafia then wp

Id shoot
Dragomir - Hyena

I wouldnt shoot
Gman
Gman

Mac doing that is implicitly blaming everyone else for the wrong shot, yeah?

He is not blaming everyone. He is saying it like it is. Nutella being shot is a product of us fucking up d1. He said it like it is. He told us to wake the fuck up. Why would Mafia wake up town or tell us to get serious is beyond me.

And i am serious. Gman is only one i wouldnt want to be shot. Everyone else has a certain aspect to them i think its scummy. Well dusk is dusk he ded now.

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:19 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:15 am

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 am If Dougall is mafia, he wouldnt be so critical and salty about Nutella death. He would just shrug it off and say stuff like everyone wanted her dead

Dougall came in and told us we were lazy, unmotivated and we allowed it to happen. Mafia doing a pep talk to town is beyond me. If dougall is mafia then wp

Id shoot
Dragomir - Hyena

I wouldnt shoot
Gman
Gman

Mac doing that is implicitly blaming everyone else for the wrong shot, yeah?

He is not blaming everyone. He is saying it like it is. Nutella being shot is a product of us fucking up d1. He said it like it is. He told us to wake the fuck up. Why would Mafia wake up town or tell us to get serious is beyond me.

And i am serious. Gman is only one i wouldnt want to be shot. Everyone else has a certain aspect to them i think its scummy. Well dusk is dusk he ded now.

Pick a second person anyways

Mac saying "you all let me down" is implicitly shunting responsibility.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:20 am

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:19 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:15 am

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 3:21 am If Dougall is mafia, he wouldnt be so critical and salty about Nutella death. He would just shrug it off and say stuff like everyone wanted her dead

Dougall came in and told us we were lazy, unmotivated and we allowed it to happen. Mafia doing a pep talk to town is beyond me. If dougall is mafia then wp

Id shoot
Dragomir - Hyena

I wouldnt shoot
Gman
Gman

Mac doing that is implicitly blaming everyone else for the wrong shot, yeah?

He is not blaming everyone. He is saying it like it is. Nutella being shot is a product of us fucking up d1. He said it like it is. He told us to wake the fuck up. Why would Mafia wake up town or tell us to get serious is beyond me.

And i am serious. Gman is only one i wouldnt want to be shot. Everyone else has a certain aspect to them i think its scummy. Well dusk is dusk he ded now.

Pick a second person anyways

Mac saying "you all let me down" is implicitly shunting responsibility.

But we did let him down?

No i wont pick a second person because there is non. Shoot me for it IDC

C'mon dude I'm trying to work with you here. There's gotta be a second person somewhere you'd pull out of the pool today, even if you don't particularly TR them.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] you got two and two for me?

I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:30 am C'mon dude I'm trying to work with you here. There's gotta be a second person somewhere you'd pull out of the pool today, even if you don't particularly TR them.

Slooney but just bcs i am more null than town

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:45 am I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall

Dusk is already dead so

Why is this so hard

Alright guys I’m only gonna be here sporadically rest of the day, ping me with your top two don’t shoot and top two do shoot people please.

Seriously please don’t make me chase you down, just work with me here and make my life easier.

Note that I don’t care if they’re scumreads or townreads, just who two you would and two you would not shoot tonight.

I legit had no clue Wilgy is in tbis game too

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:45 am I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall

Dusk is already dead so

derpclear accepted?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 11:09 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:54 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:45 am I would shoot Jack and Sloonei
Wouldn't shoot FG/Duskfall

Dusk is already dead so

derpclear accepted?

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Ok

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 4:30 am @Sloonei you got two and two for me?

No

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 2:11 am Boo, did you turn on me because I lowered you to null and raised Jack up to null with you? :P Also, did you think the argument that I originally made about Nutella (that you pushed alongside me), where I said that scum might not want the gun and might not want to be responsible for shooting town, was towny?

Turning on you would imply we were ever on a team. I found you suspicious at points during d1, but not enough to not push you above other people. N1 that changed some, d2 that changed a lot. The weakest part of my town game is not adjusting reads enough as I go (or being so aware of that I go all over the place because I trust none of my reads). I'm fairly satisfied with how I handled my Nutella suspicion this game. I was wrong, but such is life. I think I'm approaching you right. I failed at my approach to Jack in a few ways. Regrouping on that front and if Nanook doesn't decide to shoot him I'll look at it again d3.

Doing Towny things doesn't inherently make someone town.

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

Kill 2:
Jack & Hyena

Don't kill:
FG & Mac

[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention]

I'm basically with you on Wilgy and Mac. I'm not in the same place with you on Sloon, GMan or Johann but I'm of the same opinion that none of them should be shot today.

Tell me what you got out of my interactions with Boo yesterday?

Talk to me about FG, Drago and Hyena. What is the most compelling reason to kill and not kill each of them?

What's up? What we doing here?

Quills in my hot wings! The horror.

More observations through EoD for Day 2. People are listed in the order I first found something worth jotting a note about.

-Dragomir says he doesn't lead anymore. Hmm. Staccato answers to Sloonei until pressed for more of a response. Called sheepy by Johann, but is there evidence of that?

-Johann- poison the people who get the gun- that's a flawed baddie strategy- what if one of them gets the gun? Breaking the trend would be suspicious. Just because someone gets the gun early doesn't mean they will be trusted with the gun again. Proclaims he is a good scum player and that helps him sniff out bad players. Can anyone objectively back that claim up? Misreading Mac's response to Nutella mis-shot.

-Funnygurl civ reading Johann- why?

-Hyena- accused of being a tryhard by Johann

-Boo's response to Johann's theory of Dusk's poisoning is similar to mine- it's logic to me. Gets punchy with Jack. Is that fight different from Day 1? I may have to check since I was so drawn to him at first. How does Jack's death factor into boo's read of Johann? I disagree with him that posioned peoples' townreads are irrelevant. They are a confirmed civvie at that point and they still get to hunt. I get the WIFOM aspect of it, but it's not all irrelevant. Why not be open about how we think people are connected? Doesn't that help us more in this alternate setup? We all realize that it's just theory until someone flips. But we can still go back and look for the behavior post-flip. Unless he doesn't think he's seen enough of it and hopes for the baddies to do more of it. It feels counterproductive.

-Jack makes sense re: Dusk's poisoning. Jack makes sense re: Boo withholding his theory linking Jack and Johann. Jack makes sense? What a scary world we live in.


So Jack and boo provided some flavor leading up to the poll deadline. My enthusiasm for boo has cooled down some, but I'm going to have to review his ISO to make a firm flip from civ-lean to scum-lean. I still like some of his logical responses, though his stubbornness to keep his Jack-Johann connection doesn't seem logical.

Jack's got some decent content for Day 2. I may also have to check his ISO for consistency.

Wilgy is still a null read. I will ISO him, because I'm not sure null reads are acceptable at this point in a game this small. Now for the Night phase...

G-Man wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 7:46 pm -Jack makes sense re: Dusk's poisoning. Jack makes sense re: Boo withholding his theory linking Jack and Johann. Jack makes sense? What a scary world we live in.

The horror indeed.

Quietish night phase yields only this:

Nanook's pool: Hyena/Mac/Jack/Boo

Funnygurl likes Nanook's pool, but 50% of Nanook's pool got civ reads from Funnygurl. Huh?

Johann reluctant to name another civ- Why? There's got to be a name you can put in there. He relents and goes with Sloonei. THen there is also this post:

Johann wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 9:51 am I legit had no clue Wilgy is in tbis game too

It stuck me as odd because nutella said the same thing in Banjo-Kazooie as a baddie. I admit that that amounts to recency bias, but it stood out nonetheless. I'm sure statements like this wouldn't exist if it was a observed to be a tried and true baddie tell though.

Is [mention]Sloonei[/mention] abstaining on the 2&2 lists? Or does he just not have his notes together yet?


I then doubled back to see how Hyena, Mac, Jack, and Boo all reacted to being named in Nanook's potential shoot list:

-Boo: Doesn't address his presence on the list at all. Perhaps he feels confident that he doesn't need to engage much since Nanook said he was last on his shoot list. He just clarifies Jack's question and doesn't come back until this afternoon. At this point, he shoots down one of Hyena's posts and lists Jack and Hyena on his kill list (both of whom are on Nanook's list).

-Hyena: Lots of talking. Also a lot of responses and remarks to Nanook. I can see this as nervous chatter designed to portray himself as engaged and trying to help Nanook. Does anyone know if Hyena becomes a nervous talker either way when he's in the spotlight? He proposes shooting Dragomir and Boo. The former isn't on Nanook's list, and Boo was said to be the lowest of Nanook's priorities on his potential shoot list. It would look worse if Hyena had proposed Jack and Mac, as they are on even footing with him (or were when night started).

-Jack: Wants Nanook's justifications both ways (for placement on the list and being left off the list). A little bit of Jack-snark. Then he disappears for the phase. Comes back with some agreements with Nanook and asks for his thoughts on three players (only one of which was in Nanook's list from the beginning of the phase). This could be an attempt to nudge a few names onto Nanook's list to reduce his odds of getting whacked, but he doesn't look nervous yet.

-Mac: Doesn't address his presence on the list. He just lists his 2&2 (which includes the now-deceased Duskfall). This fits Mac's personality to me, so it doesn't move the needle either way.

[mention]G-Man[/mention]

When you read Boo, can you look at his general aggression and ask if you think it is coming from a town perspective with townie motivation or if its defensive/offensive without being inquisitive. I don't think evaluating how logical he is or isn't is the key bit but rather how logical it is for town and scum versions of Boo to say the things he's saying.

gl nanook

just don't shoot mac is the one thing I gotta say

You guys are gonna be so happy



Unless I get it wrong then you’re gonna be pretty annoyed probably

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat May 16, 2020 8:40 pm @G-Man

When you read Boo, can you look at his general aggression and ask if you think it is coming from a town perspective with townie motivation or if its defensive/offensive without being inquisitive. I don't think evaluating how logical he is or isn't is the key bit but rather how logical it is for town and scum versions of Boo to say the things he's saying.

Queuing up Boo's ISO showed me that he's been punchy with a lot of folks. At a cursory glance, he seems to post more counterpoint material than proposing ideas. The big idea he seems to have right now is being held close to the vest. His ISO is long, though, and I admit that I went through it looking for consistency, and that is what I found. If I can find the time, I will try to analyze it from a civ-or-scum mindset tomorrow.

Jack's ISO has enough of his manic snarky style to seem normal, but I still find the flavor a little bland through Day 1. Coasting perhaps?

Wilgy is being Wilgy, and I never know what to do with that. For now, I feel like I have to slide him into the not-a-good-look tier given the size of the game.


[mention]NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME[/mention] This is probably too late to be helpful, but:

Would Not Shoot: Sloonei, Mac
Would Shoot: Dragomir, Hyena