[ENDGAME] The Shawshank Redemption Mafia

#1651

I knew AP was Andy, and that he had the 3 votes. i was redirecting him a lot. i redirected him the day John died.

#1652

S~V~S wrote:I knew AP was Andy, and that he had the 3 votes. i was redirecting him a lot. i redirected him the day John died.

I figured something like that was the case but I also figured it was speeding up my inevitable fate :P

#1653

At least I had Mongoose pegged right from the start.

#1654

You kept voting for me, i could not allow that ha ha~

#1655

Prologue:

People were not far off regarding who would cry out first. The winning poll choice would be whoever voted first. By casting the first vote (even though he changed it later), thellama73 became the winning choice, and for that MovingPictures07 and johns2jj won cigarettes.

Day 1:

The most amusing part of Day 1 for me was Mongoose getting someone to trade votes with her. In her case, she attracted not one, but three votes, by having A Person vote for her. Thus Hadley- Shawshank’s killer- came close to getting lynched on Day 1. It was also risky for Mongoose voting A Person by herself. Had A Person been Fat Ass, she would have outed herself.

#1656

This was an awesome game, thank you Epi~ it was well played by all and hopefully some people learned a bit about others game play

i lost but i had a ton of fun

#1657

If there's one thing I learned from this game, it's not to ally myself with the civs when I have the choice. Civs hate me.

#1658

Each player was assigned a book for the Night 1 poll (reverse alphabetical order). The order in which you voted it determined how many roles I counted down to rule out a role and give you info.

For example, MR, who voted for The Brothers Karamazov, learned that Vompatti was not the Warden.

#1659

Bullz you played an awesome game. I was convinced MR was Bogs. I actually can't believe how wrong I was. I asks you if you trusted me because I thought you were Red!

MR why did you send me a gift??? You didn't trust me at all?????

Epig this will always be one of my favorite games. I loved every second of it!

#1660

S~V~S wrote:This was an awesome game, thank you Epi~ it was well played by all and hopefully some people learned a bit about others game play

i lost but i had a ton of fun

Thank you for playing. I love having you as a player, regardless of the outcome. You're spirited and you don't take shit from people. You make up your mind and then you make other people agree with you. I like that, even if it doesn't work out all the time.

#1661

S~V~S wrote:This was an awesome game, thank you Epi~ it was well played by all and hopefully some people learned a bit about others game play

i lost but i had a ton of fun

Seconded, these last few days were really intense! I'd go as far as to say the endgame to this was one of my favourite mafia moments.

Epignosis wrote:Each player was assigned a book for the Night 1 poll (reverse alphabetical order). The order in which you voted it determined how many roles I counted down to rule out a role and give you info.

For example, MR, who voted for The Brothers Karamazov, learned that Vompatti was not the Warden.

Oh my god, these damned things. On both the books and the bottle I managed to find out what my own role was not. The other bottle told me what Russ' role wasn't. I had so much fun with these.

Dom - if I had been Red, I probably would've sent you something

#1662

Dom wrote:Epig this will always be one of my favorite games. I loved every second of it!

Definitely the greatest comeback I've ever seen!

#1663

Bullzeye wrote:Oh my god, these damned things. On both the books and the bottle I managed to find out what my own role was not. The other bottle told me what Russ' role wasn't. I had so much fun with these.

There was a formula for these (as you can see above).

The bottles were even more informative. I'll get to those when I get to them.

#1664

Epignosis wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Oh my god, these damned things. On both the books and the bottle I managed to find out what my own role was not. The other bottle told me what Russ' role wasn't. I had so much fun with these.
There was a formula for these (as you can see above).

The bottles were even more informative. I'll get to those when I get to them.

Yeah, that's the problem. Formulas are a maths thing, and maths and I have a bitter rivalry stretching back to when I was in high school.

#1665

Parole tickled me, because you all seemed to think this was a prize to take someone off the poll.

The person you voted for (assuming this was a con) would become an independent. This Indy could not be Night killed (hence bwt's survival), but all his received votes would be cumulative, as he considered suicide on the outside world. If the DA voted for him, he would return to prison and resume his old role and status.

#1666

I would never create a game with results that hinged on religion or politics. Asking about your favorite Bible verse or Maine having capital punishment were just things for you to do- no game-related events for those.

#1667

Naming Simon's bird won S~V~S a role check. She picked boo.

I only had THREE people do this challenge. You passed on a role check people. Remember that.

#1668

When you chose work assignments, you couldn't vote for the people on your job.

Abigail's picture (S~V~S won this too) gave her contraband. She chose reefer.

#1669

Epignosis wrote:Naming Simon's bird won S~V~S a role check. She picked boo.

I only had THREE people do this challenge. You passed on a role check people. Remember that.

I kept forgetting to do these things tbf, I've been busy. Actually kinda glad this game ended a couple of days before Champions is due to start, giving me time to not have to think about mafia.

#1670

Ephraim is little, but I held him up to the poll and he pointed to the letter I, which Russ chose.

Russ got to use a dead power. He chose thellama73's, so he couldn't be killed that Night.

#1671

Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good

#1672

S~V~S wrote:Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good

Hmm... if it takes too long I may have to reconsider, I've only got a few weeks of less work. Oh well

I love your new sig addition!

#1673

S~V~S wrote:Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good

Nope, it's starting on the 11th. I will make sure of that.

#1674

With the beers, you got two choices.

The choices were linked to a player by initial. Bs were bwt and bullzeye, Stout was S~V~S, etc. Lager was Lizzy, I think.

Suppose you chose American Pale Ale (A Person) and Stout (S~V~S).

You would learn:

A Person is not Tommy Williams (S~V~S' role)
S~V~S is not Andy Dufrense (A Person's role)

What's interesting is that some picked their own options alongside someone else.

So S~V~S found out that:

Russtifinko is not Tommy Williams.
S~V~S is not Rooster.

#1675

The last thing I planned was to allow the remaining players to choose a piece of contraband and not give Red a shipment. That was your last Night poll.

#1676

thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good
Nope, it's starting on the 11th. I will make sure of that.

Take that up with MP, as i understood it, that starts when the last game is over (which is also when the poll starts, we are up to 13 games, it will be awesome

)

#1677

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Champions will not start until WWE is over or close to it. the date was an approximation. Boos speed game is now in sign ups waiting on that, but yeah, sometimes a break is good
Nope, it's starting on the 11th. I will make sure of that.
Take that up with MP, as i understood it, that starts when the last game is over (which is also when the poll starts, we are up to 13 games, it will be awesome )

If MP doesn't start it, I will. He cannot stop me. He knew I was a loose cannon when he promoted me, so I assume it's what he wants.

#1678

There is one more thing I wanted to address: "The Eloh Incident."

She was Brooks. I think everybody and their brother knew that by Night 2 or 3.

She struggled hard on how to get people to believe her about johns. I told her she should make a case on him. She asked me if she could just say she had info.

I told her she could say that, and I feel justified in that permission.

I have seen multiple players claim info. I have seen players claim info that was bullshit (DH, still looking at you, ass).

So I had no problem with her saying she had info. Just because she played her role clumsily doesn't prove anything, if that makes any sense. And regarding punishing her, that was out of the question. Even if I didn't know that Shawshank was going to kill her (which they did, a natural consequence of pretty much outing oneself), I don't modkill. And if I did, it would further legitimize her claim. I oppose Modkilling 100% of the time. Don't do the job of the Mafia as the Host.

#1679

Guys, Boos' Cards Against Humanity speed game is now in sign ups. Boo is a master of what the fuckery, and a good time will be had by all

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 414#p48326

#1680

Congrats Dom

Thanks for the stuff you sent me MR. Unfortunately I didn't get to use anything before I died

#1681

Mongoose, why did you kill me in the first place?

Thanks sorsha!

#1682

Epignosis wrote:There is one more thing I wanted to address: "The Eloh Incident."

She was Brooks. I think everybody and their brother knew that by Night 2 or 3.

She struggled hard on how to get people to believe her about johns. I told her she should make a case on him. She asked me if she could just say she had info.

I told her she could say that, and I feel justified in that permission.

I have seen multiple players claim info. I have seen players claim info that was bullshit (DH, still looking at you, ass).

So I had no problem with her saying she had info. Just because she played her role clumsily doesn't prove anything, if that makes any sense. And regarding punishing her, that was out of the question. Even if I didn't know that Shawshank was going to kill her (which they did, a natural consequence of pretty much outing oneself), I don't modkill. And if I did, it would further legitimize her claim. I oppose Modkilling 100% of the time. Don't do the job of the Mafia as the Host.

No, you were right not to. I don't think she ever actually flat out stated it anyways (it was just always a bit painfully obvious). Even the night we did kill her, that was Mongoose's call (I wanted MP dead, since I was nearly certain he was Red after checking him with 4 contraband). It was the right one, but I also wouldn't have done it sooner since I wanted her around for getting john lynched, and she wasn't a risk at that point for voting us.

I also really thought it would be MP who would come back suspecting me... not SVS. Although I guess the rolecheck was responsible for that? I did PM a name for the bird to, I think Word would have been a great name... that would have really changed things I think, if I had managed to take that.

I was still certain SVS was a sister until the end, and that she had thrown john under the bus, but delayed it as much as possible. My problem there was who she was pushing for lynches after johns made zero sense to me (not the people I could see being the SK. lizzy especially baffled me since I thought SVS knew she was a civ since I had that one pegged, guess that wasn't the case), so I guess I should have seen that one coming. I had bullz pegged as a civ though, and figured Dom was the teammate and BWT was the SK (we were told the kill wouldn't pass down, so pretty much the first theory we had for what would happen to a dead killer would be a pass down).

Man... it's really a bummer I got checked. I had made the obvious mistakes that made lynching me easy, but I was getting away with them until SVS started pushing. I had also discussed setting up MP as a Shawshank during my lynch in BTSC (would have been some really intentional WIFOM, but there were some lynches there where I think it would have been enough to get him killed), and I think he would have been lynched before MR replaced in if I hadn't got distracted with other things and not made that post.

#1683

i never got any contraband

#1684

Dom wrote:Mongoose, why did you kill me in the first place?

Thanks sorsha!

You were one of... three names I believe I tossed out that night (I know rey was one, and I think AP was a consideration). We just wanted someone that night who we didn't see being protected, since there was no especially urgent need to kill anyone.

I was happy to go with you (although rey was my first choice for non-participation), because I didn't want you around to pick up on what was even then making me a bit painfully obvious as a shawshank since other people weren't really picking up on it, and if you did I figured you'd convince the right people. I also didn't want you around in the endgame if we made it there (self-five for the right call on that one), because I figured at some point butting heads with you would undoubtedly occur, and I didn't really want that.

I really didn't think you were the SK (I had figured when we tried to kill llama and failed that both indies were unNKable) when that kill was successful, and it didn't really occur to me that you would be the SK at the end (I was pretty sure you and SVS were sisters the last few days), since BWT had survived a NK from Bogs so I figured he was that role (and that his absence was just a strategy throughout the game to avoid being lynched since he couldn't be NKed).

#1685

boo, you rocked as the Warden.

He caught Red (MP) who had like 4 items on him. Damn! MP was pissed. He was hoarding cigarettes. He had four packs.

#1686

Epignosis wrote:boo, you rocked as the Warden.

He caught Red (MP) who had like 4 items on him. Damn! MP was pissed. He was hoarding cigarettes. He had four packs.

Ya, was he allowed to target himself all 4 nights, or did he have 2 from sending N1, N3 (or N2, N4) and 2 from prizes? My initial thought when I checked him was that as Red he was able to double target (since he was choosing multiple people a night from my understanding of the role), which made me certain he was Red, but then Nev pointed out no double targeting (which did make sense, I'm not sure why I hadn't at least considered it) but I still figured he was Red and had won 2 prizes (I know we knew he had at least the one from D1, and I think we knew he could have had a second).

#1687

boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:boo, you rocked as the Warden.

He caught Red (MP) who had like 4 items on him. Damn! MP was pissed. He was hoarding cigarettes. He had four packs.
Ya, was he allowed to target himself all 4 nights, or did he have 2 from sending N1, N3 (or N2, N4) and 2 from prizes? My initial thought when I checked him was that as Red he was able to double target (since he was choosing multiple people a night from my understanding of the role), which made me certain he was Red, but then Nev pointed out no double targeting (which did make sense, I'm not sure why I hadn't at least considered it) but I still figured he was Red and had won 2 prizes (I know we knew he had at least the one from D1, and I think we knew he could have had a second).

MP could always keep one thing for himself. MP could send items to anyone. The double targeting rule didn't apply to him. He got four items each night.

#1688

Epignosis wrote:
boo wrote:
Epignosis wrote:boo, you rocked as the Warden.

He caught Red (MP) who had like 4 items on him. Damn! MP was pissed. He was hoarding cigarettes. He had four packs.
Ya, was he allowed to target himself all 4 nights, or did he have 2 from sending N1, N3 (or N2, N4) and 2 from prizes? My initial thought when I checked him was that as Red he was able to double target (since he was choosing multiple people a night from my understanding of the role), which made me certain he was Red, but then Nev pointed out no double targeting (which did make sense, I'm not sure why I hadn't at least considered it) but I still figured he was Red and had won 2 prizes (I know we knew he had at least the one from D1, and I think we knew he could have had a second).
MP could always keep one thing for himself. MP could send items to anyone. The double targeting rule didn't apply to him. He got four items each night.

Haha, success. Still annoyed I didn't make a better effort to get him killed. I had that pegged as the most important civvie role I wanted out of the game from the start (Andy and the secret were concerns, but shutting down powers seemed like a bigger deal), and I was quite pleased when I found MP with 4 and was nearly certain I had Red. Plus, I figured I would be able to get contraband he had sent out up to that point mostly out of the game since I figured I could find people had sent to. He tried Mongoose and failed, and I checked SVS and was right, although I'm not sure if she got that from him or it was a prize.

#1689

Wow, hell of a game everyone! Well done Epi, and Dom.

I also think JJ should be commended for surviving 4 LYNCHES!! (or was it 3? Anyway, a lot of lynches) after being outed by Elo. crazy rookie game.

Really proud of how you stuck with it, Bullz. You were so close! I never thought to check in to BTSC after a couple days, because I couldn't comment on in-game stuff anyway.

Dom, I thought for sure you were civ and BWT was the SK. Epi, how did BWT survive an NK attempt, anyway?

#1690

Heyyyyyyyyyyyyyy! What a game!

I still have no idea why I got to replace...

#1691

Dom wrote:MR you sending me tht pack of smokes actually kind of killed you

Yep, next day is when I started hating that decision, ffs.

Best role I've had in a long.time though, Epi! Thanks.

#1692

A Person wrote:i never got any contraband

I tried to take from you and found out you had none.

#1693

WOW! Congratz, Dom! I know I was rooting for the sisters, but this one is even more impressive. I can't recall a single game where a SK LMS won. Zupah!

Right, I guess I need to explain my logic, or lack thereof

- butt it seemed pretty logic to me k since I got everyone wrong except Matt as Andy, and even there I wasn't completely sure.

Like I said, I honestly thought JJJJJJJJjjjjj was civ because I've chosen to ignore Elo's direct accusations (sorry Elo

). I simply could not wrap my head around someone (especially a n00bie) being so out there like he was and have his teammates allow that to happen, unless 1. he was either coached; 2. simply couldn't comprehend how the game and the BTSC work and his partners just got tired of his shenanigans and started going after him. Of all these possibilities I've chosen the former. Another thing that made me somehow consolidate this belief was the fact that just when I really started to defend him, I received contraband (Cheers, MR!

). And from what I've read in JjjjjjjjJjj's posts, the only roles he mentioned were Red and the SK. So hah! He must be Red! Which would make sense to have the baddies after him. If he's not Red, then it has to be someone who agrees with me either on JjjJJj or SVS! That other person was Russti.

Now my confidence was more than okay at this point since Boo and Goosey flipped bad. Naturally, I was shocked (and super impressed)when JJJJjj was revealed. So option no. 1 was out. Then I turned to option #2. He was coached. Why would someone be coached to act that way unless it made the people who vote for him look good? Who was his main pursuer? SVS! Now another thing that made me (again) confident in regards to SVS's allegiance was the fact that she was still alive and had not been targeted at night by any of the baddie teams. I don't know about you, but when you have civ SVS on on fire like she was now, I would not have kept her alive, especially when you had another idiot civ (me) going after her, who'd look especially bad in the aftermath. I knew better than anyone that I looked like the mother of all sisters. My only defense was that I'd never defend a teammate, which is ture.

Also, not really surprised with KRussti and Bullz, which reinforces the theory that those who look the most civ are super baddies k. Why do some people get all the cool roles? Who do I have to sleep with around here? :P

#1694

I see this game has ended! Sorry I had to replace out, guys. I did really enjoy my role and this game while I could!! Except for that ridiculous period after boo caught me with contraband... oh man, that was frustrating!

Well done, Dom! It is very hard to win as an SK, so kudos. Seems like an incredibly exciting endgame I missed out on.

#1695

Thank you everyone!

lizzy I almost killed you instead of Russ. I definitely would not have won had I done that

#1696

Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I love you Dom, but never again >:(
Let me say, I was bummed when Dom got killed. As a host, you want to see roles take shape, and I like to think that I write interesting independent roles. But you brought him back!

Elmo Blatch had no Night kill. He would inherit Bogs' and Hadley's kills if they died. However, if someone voted for Dom and he was not lynched, then Dom could kill someone that voted for him and frame anyone. So finally he got to use his power and kill MR making it look like you did it.

Had MR not voted Dom, who knows?

That is an awesomely devious power!

Great game all around! I got to change my style up a bit and it worked for all of a couple days before I screwed myself with the contraband distribution ill.

#1697

Mister Rearranger wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
S~V~S wrote:I love you Dom, but never again >:(
Let me say, I was bummed when Dom got killed. As a host, you want to see roles take shape, and I like to think that I write interesting independent roles. But you brought him back!

Elmo Blatch had no Night kill. He would inherit Bogs' and Hadley's kills if they died. However, if someone voted for Dom and he was not lynched, then Dom could kill someone that voted for him and frame anyone. So finally he got to use his power and kill MR making it look like you did it.

Had MR not voted Dom, who knows?
That is an awesomely devious power!

Great game all around! I got to change my style up a bit and it worked for all of a couple days before I screwed myself with the contraband distribution ill.

I was sad I didn't get to use it more.

#1698

Hey, just saw the game ended.
Dom, that was impressive. I've never played a game where the SK won.

Epi, this was a really creative game. I loved all the night polls even though I got nothing from it...A great game to start off in a new site

I wish I could have been more helpful, but it didn't look like anyone was really listening to me anyway

Hopefully, I'll get my footing in future games.

Great playing with you all

#1699

FZ. wrote:Hey, just saw the game ended.
Dom, that was impressive. I've never played a game where the SK won.

Epi, this was a really creative game. I loved all the night polls even though I got nothing from it...A great game to start off in a new site

I wish I could have been more helpful, but it didn't look like anyone was really listening to me anyway Hopefully, I'll get my footing in future games.

Great playing with you all

I was happy to have you. Thanks for being gracious about having the "bum" role.

Somewhat ironic that Hadley never voted for you, but did get you in the..*ahem* end.

Okay I'll stop now.

#1700

Dom, I saw the orange early this morning and thought Epi had posted in here, but it was your old post!

Congrats on the promotion!