[ENDGAME] The Office Mafia

#1701

Yeah I'm pretty sold. No turning back from this.

#1702

Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?
I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.
Kansas is the greatest rock and roll band ever.

Keep 'em coming.

#1703

Epignosis wrote:
Enrique wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Did you guys know I didn't vote for Gabe?
I need to hear some strong opinions from this man.
Kansas is the greatest rock and roll band ever.

i wish to redact my vote

#1704

Scotty wrote:To y'all that have votes in the non-changeable poll already:
You realize that by voting yourself you could be setting yourself up for the opposite of a benefit?

I'm just saying, in Office Space, that stapler dude got his own office. In the basement. In isolation.

Dom told us to pick a civilian. It'd be pretty evil for him to set us up for failure like that.

#1705

Scotty wrote:To y'all that have votes in the non-changeable poll already:
You realize that by voting yourself you could be setting yourself up for the opposite of a benefit?

I'm just saying, in Office Space, that stapler dude got his own office. In the basement. In isolation.

Office Space was the first DVD I owned and played on my first DVD player. Which I remember because there was a false error screen which was part of the home screen on the DVD. I totally panicked when I put it in and thought I had a defective unit. Then I figured it out.

#1706

Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:To y'all that have votes in the non-changeable poll already:
You realize that by voting yourself you could be setting yourself up for the opposite of a benefit?

I'm just saying, in Office Space, that stapler dude got his own office. In the basement. In isolation.
Dom told us to pick a civilian. It'd be pretty evil for him to set us up for failure like that.

Ah! I totally glosses over that.

Never mind then! Self-voting makes perfect sense now.

Im still gonna hold off for now. But I expect a couple votes thrown my way.

Do we think this is a promotion or something?
@Anyone that watches the show: is there a precedent for someone getting their own office that isn't Michael?

#1707

Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:To y'all that have votes in the non-changeable poll already:
You realize that by voting yourself you could be setting yourself up for the opposite of a benefit?

I'm just saying, in Office Space, that stapler dude got his own office. In the basement. In isolation.
Dom told us to pick a civilian. It'd be pretty evil for him to set us up for failure like that.
Ah! I totally glosses over that.

Never mind then! Self-voting makes perfect sense now.

Im still gonna hold off for now. But I expect a couple votes thrown my way.

Do we think this is a promotion or something?
@Anyone that watches the show: is there a precedent for someone getting their own office that isn't Michael?

I've been rewatching and I haven't seen that necessarily. I know there was one point where Michael tried to get promoted to Corporate and tried to fill his own office and take over his position. This same type of thing also happened when the actor left the show. Maybe whomever gets the most votes receives Michael's managerial power, which would imply that dead Indiglo was Michael? Just a shot in the dark there.

#1708

I'm also doubting the full usefulness of them, but it at least can't hurt imo.

Ok, so I'm going to compile all of the GTH reads, I'm going to be limited on time until Saturday, but getting them all in one place and posting basic statistics will help.

# of goods/bads/indys/i dunnos from each person: (I'm counting INH's leans as good or bad and discounting self votes)

Spoiler: show

Now individual, who got what reactions

Bea

Spoiler: show

6 good

DFaraday

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)
3 good / 1 bad / 1 dunno

DrumBeats

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)

2 good / 2 bad / 1 dunno

Enrique

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)
4 good / 1 dunno

Epignosis

Spoiler: show

2 good / 1 Indy / 3 bad

Fingersplints

Spoiler: show

1 good / 5 bad

Espers

Spoiler: show

2 good / 2 bad / 2 dunno

INH

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)
2 good / 2 bad / 1 dunno

LoRab

Spoiler: show

2 good / 2 bad / 2 dunno

Scotty

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)
3 good / 2 bad

Serge

Spoiler: show

4 good / 2 bad

Turnip Head

Spoiler: show

(Excluding self)
2 good / 2 bad / 1 dunno

Spacedaisy

Spoiler: show

4 good / 2 bad

Timmer

Spoiler: show

4 good / 1 bad / 1 dunno

Juliets

Spoiler: show

5 good / 1 dunno

#1709

I like how you didn't exclude my "dunno" for myself

#1710

insertnamehere wrote:I like how you didn't exclude my "dunno" for myself

I did...?

#1711

#Bea2016

#1712

INTERESTING

#1713

Quin wrote:INTERESTING

Dead people shouldn't post on topic.

#1714

What's the topic?

#1715

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:INTERESTING
Dead people shouldn't post on topic.

LoRabs should post on topic please

#1716

Enrique wrote:What's the topic?

Weird food combinations.

#1717

DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:INTERESTING
Dead people shouldn't post on topic.
LoRabs should post on topic please

People shouldn't vote for people who are clearly silenced and can't defend when their names are brought up. And people shouldn't post 5 or 6 times about lynching a player who has been silenced. It's bad form.

I'm guessing you want me to step away for a day before I post more on topic.

#1718

LoRab wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:INTERESTING
Dead people shouldn't post on topic.
LoRabs should post on topic please
People shouldn't vote for people who are clearly silenced and can't defend when their names are brought up. And people shouldn't post 5 or 6 times about lynching a player who has been silenced. It's bad form.

I'm guessing you want me to step away for a day before I post more on topic.

Oh wow, I actually missed the first post you made, just looked back at your ISO and saw it, so my bad on the response to your post on Quin.

Not really sorry about wanting to lynch you though, because I've had this suspicion for a while and you've done nothing to quell it.

Also, iirc this is the first time anybody has been silenced this game (or at least claimed to be). Am I wrong about this? Does anybody remember another time?

#1719

Also, going to bed now and won't be on much tomorrow.

#1720

I was silenced earlier in the game.

#1721

I don't know if anyone mentioned it earlier, but I'm guesssing if we look back a posting patterns, there were players that were silenced. It just wasn't necessarily relevant enough to mention.

#1722

If I thought you were silenced LoRab I wouldn't have tried any funny business. It just didn't occur to me.

#1723

Turnip Head wrote:If I thought you were silenced LoRab I wouldn't have tried any funny business. It just didn't occur to me.

I really, really want to believe you. But you also posted this:

Turnip Head wrote:LoRab hasn't posted at all this phase, so that's unsettling. Whatchyu thinking, LoRab?

And you've played with me enough over the years to know that even when I'm relatively not around, I post at least once a round. And you could see that I've been present because I never hide myself. And you could see that I posted elsewhere. So, it's hard for me to fully believe you there.

And it was even mentioned that I was lurking after this post, and you didn't think to yourself that it was totally out of character to lurk and not post even once in an entire lynch phase?

I don't suspect you for this. But I'm not sure how in a game where we don't know all of the roles and powers, that it didn't dawn on you that I couldn't post. I mean, that's just not how I play.

#1724

I don't know what I thought you were up to, it just literally never occurred to me. I didn't realize we were dealing with a silencer this game because no one had mentioned it. I also didn't notice that you had posted elsewhere.

#1725

I'm happy to see I'm still alive! I'll do my damnedest to catch up and give this game attention, and in skimming I saw some people asked me questions, I will try to answer these soon!

#1726

I was cursed the other day and no one noticed either, Lorab. I'm not surprised you are so mad.

Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:To y'all that have votes in the non-changeable poll already:
You realize that by voting yourself you could be setting yourself up for the opposite of a benefit?

I'm just saying, in Office Space, that stapler dude got his own office. In the basement. In isolation.
Dom told us to pick a civilian. It'd be pretty evil for him to set us up for failure like that.
Ah! I totally glosses over that.

Never mind then! Self-voting makes perfect sense now.

Im still gonna hold off for now. But I expect a couple votes thrown my way.

Do we think this is a promotion or something?
@Anyone that watches the show: is there a precedent for someone getting their own office that isn't Michael?

There are many situations of people getting promoted that aren't Michael. Jim gets promoted to co-manager. Ryan to VP. Dwight, and Andy to manager. Pam to "office administrator." Daryl gets promoted by Jo, and given an office. At the end of the series Oscar seems to have this office, but it's unclear what his promotion is since it's just filled with stuff that he is running for state senate.

#1727

Is your thread too quiet? Bring me back, I will never shut up

#1728

I'm silenced, k?

#1729

TURNIP 2016

We're gonna build a wall and we're gonna make corporate pay for it!

#1730

Ok. a few loose ends.

The big points of contention in the last lynch was between Sorsha, serge, INH, timmer, and LoRab. I've already explained my view on timmer.

I'm gonna split the rest up into separate posts.

LoRab:
I'm start with DB's ISO of LoRab that I didn't read to see the case there:

DrumBeats wrote:This one I had to split up the types of mechanical discussion and different types of it.

LoRab ISO

Spoiler: show
LoRab wrote:hey, y'all! Excited for the game. So you all know, I'm in the middle of a 2 week intensive for a graduate program I'm starting--the program is mostly online, but we're in the midst of our first in person seminar--I will not be able to be playing a whole lot. But after that i'm all good. So, I'll be around when I can, but my days and nights are both a bit insane right now.
Day 0 Fluff - prefacing that she might be inactive due to a graduate program which is definitely a good thing to do. Not alignment indicative at all imo.

LoRab wrote:Are votes changable?

insertnamehere wrote: LoRab -3 doesn't have a muppet avatar anymore
Beware the meeping angels is both muppet and Who, so I'm still muppety--only better.
Day 0 Mechanics and fluff. I'll categorize it as mechanics due to the vote question.

LoRab wrote:Voted memo, at least for now. Don't want to not get a chance to vote tomorrow.
Night-vote.

LoRab wrote:Ugh.

And Creed is listed on the first page under civies, so I'm thinking that's a pretty clear indication that he was civ.

Sorry for missing the vote--I thought I'd be back to my computer in time to vote, but dinner took longer than planned.

I'd have likely voted for Quin, because he is encouraging people to post statements that from my read of Dom's answer, Pam wouldn't be able to check--as they are not based on factual information that the poster has, but on opinion. Theorizing incorrectly and not telling the truth are not at all the same thing.
Missed all of day one. Points out that Creed was civ and apologizes for missing the vote. Then begins her mechanical suspicion of Quin, which was a popular opinion at the time.

LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:Ugh.

And Creed is listed on the first page under civies, so I'm thinking that's a pretty clear indication that he was civ.

Sorry for missing the vote--I thought I'd be back to my computer in time to vote, but dinner took longer than planned.

I'd have likely voted for Quin, because he is encouraging people to post statements that from my read of Dom's answer, Pam wouldn't be able to check--as they are not based on factual information that the poster has, but on opinion. Theorizing incorrectly and not telling the truth are not at all the same thing.
Because this is predicated on my answer to a question, let me clarify my answer.

"The Theme Song is a secret role" is a checkable statement.

"I think The theme Song is a secret role" is not a checkable statement.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm finding this confusing, but my brain is fried and I'm exhausted, so I'll trying thinking this through again in the morning.
Mechanical clarification with Dom

LoRab wrote:Voted customer service.
Night-vote.

LoRab wrote:
DFaraday wrote: 1. People suspect Quin for saying there's more to Mafia than hunting baddies.
This is not why I, personally, suspect Quin. I actually see his point. What makes me suspect Quin is his actively encouraging the LD to check uncheckable statements, which would cause a useful civ role to waste their power. That drumbeats has been actively pursuing this with very long selections of such statements makes me wonder if drumbeats is just following what has been presented as a good idea, or if they are teammates.
Suspicion on Quin based upon how she perceives the lie detector to work.

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
DFaraday wrote: 1. People suspect Quin for saying there's more to Mafia than hunting baddies.
This is not why I, personally, suspect Quin. I actually see his point. What makes me suspect Quin is his actively encouraging the LD to check uncheckable statements, which would cause a useful civ role to waste their power. That drumbeats has been actively pursuing this with very long selections of such statements makes me wonder if drumbeats is just following what has been presented as a good idea, or if they are teammates.
Dom confirmed in the thread that the statements I was making were fashioned in a way that could be checked by a lie detector.
No, he did not.

Quin wrote:
Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.
If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:Ugh.

And Creed is listed on the first page under civies, so I'm thinking that's a pretty clear indication that he was civ.

Sorry for missing the vote--I thought I'd be back to my computer in time to vote, but dinner took longer than planned.

I'd have likely voted for Quin, because he is encouraging people to post statements that from my read of Dom's answer, Pam wouldn't be able to check--as they are not based on factual information that the poster has, but on opinion. Theorizing incorrectly and not telling the truth are not at all the same thing.
Because this is predicated on my answer to a question, let me clarify my answer.

"The Theme Song is a secret role" is a checkable statement.

"I think The theme Song is a secret role" is not a checkable statement.
Here, LoRab. But it looks like you already saw these. Did you just forget?
I did not forget. You claim to have misinterpreted his statements and multiple explanations in the thread. I even pm-ed him to ask for further clarification. Theorizing is not lie detectable. Claims are. There is a difference. Making up a statement to check if it is accurate is not lie detectable, as a false theory is not a lie--it is simply false. Your claiming a role is something different--that is a claim. I think you undersatnd the role perfectly well, but are pretending to not understand how a lie detector works.
More suspicion into Quin based upon LoRab's opinion on how Pam works.

LoRab wrote:He was pretty clear about it in this post. Maybe you missed it--or did you just forget?

Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:
Dom wrote:
LoRab wrote:Ugh.

And Creed is listed on the first page under civies, so I'm thinking that's a pretty clear indication that he was civ.

Sorry for missing the vote--I thought I'd be back to my computer in time to vote, but dinner took longer than planned.

I'd have likely voted for Quin, because he is encouraging people to post statements that from my read of Dom's answer, Pam wouldn't be able to check--as they are not based on factual information that the poster has, but on opinion. Theorizing incorrectly and not telling the truth are not at all the same thing.
Because this is predicated on my answer to a question, let me clarify my answer.

"The Theme Song is a secret role" is a checkable statement.

"I think The theme Song is a secret role" is not a checkable statement.
Thanks for the clarification. I'm finding this confusing, but my brain is fried and I'm exhausted, so I'll trying thinking this through again in the morning.
I am getting further questions via PM, so let me clarify further.

If someone frames something as a theory, it is NOT checkable. The context matters.

If someone claims something, that is checkable.
Quoting Dom's statement about the lie detects, claiming that it supports her theory when it really could go either way imo.

LoRab wrote:That is not how LD roles work. And I clarified with the host that it doesn't work that way in this game.

If you post a theory, that is not checkable, because it is not a matter of telling the truth or a lie. If you post a claim, it is either truth or a lie. The LD is not a fact checker--it is exactly what it says it is, a lie detector.

@Drumbeats: That is not what the host told me when I asked, or what he said in his follow up post. Again, it is not fact checking it is LIE detecting.

@Dom: Please clarify in thread.
Further pushing that her idea about Pam is right.

LoRab wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:LoRab, while we wait, care to give some reads that aren't mechanics related?

@ linki Quin - its just as useless then though. If items are in play, people will find them. That's confirmation of items without Pam wasting a shot.
A player encouraging a civ to waste their role is, IMHO, not mechanics related.

And I don't have many other reads. With limited time to devote to reading through this game, that is the only ping I've really had at this point.
Claims that suspicion on Quin is not mechanics related. This post however is the only one so far where the push on Quin seems like it could be more than just mechanics, so I'll give LoRab this one for content.

LoRab wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:So basically I was right. Cool.

New rule: We should all present everything as fact. Get rid of any "I think" or "Maybe" statements in order to allow everything we say to be checked by Pam.

@ linki Quin - you've given me worse reasons to push you than that, but INH is my current vote. You're a close second though, and LoRab is working his way up to third

@ linki LoRab - What are your thoughts on the following people? :

INH
3J
Scotty
Matt
Indiglo
birdwithteeth11
No, you were not right. You were presenting conjecture. That is not a claim. That is not checkable. You apparently missed the "context" part of Dom's explanation.

And, as I said, I have barely had time to spend reading this game. I do not have opinions on most things or players at this point. I like to think about things and come to some conclusions before I form suspicions. I don't often give opinions by request.
Very adamant that she is right about Pam. Also refuses to provide any other reads.

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
LoRab wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:LoRab, while we wait, care to give some reads that aren't mechanics related?

@ linki Quin - its just as useless then though. If items are in play, people will find them. That's confirmation of items without Pam wasting a shot.
A player encouraging a civ to waste their role is, IMHO, not mechanics related.

And I don't have many other reads. With limited time to devote to reading through this game, that is the only ping I've really had at this point.
What is your perspective on me now knowing what you now know?
Dom has confirmed what I said, so my opinion has not changed.
Adamant about the Quin suspicion and that Dom has confirmed what she believes.

LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am thoroughly confused by this discussion between Quin and LoRab. They seem to be saying the same thing and disagreeing vehemently over it.
Quin has been listing conjectures for Pam to check in the thread, claiming that those conjectures are checkable by Pam as lies or not.

This is not accurate.

I believe she is intentionally trying to get Pam to waste her role. I find it hard to believe that she doesn't understand the difference between claims and theories and why one would be checkable and the other not.
Still pushing that Quin is wrong and bad and she is right. Nothing new either, just restating the same suspicion.

LoRab wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am thoroughly confused by this discussion between Quin and LoRab. They seem to be saying the same thing and disagreeing vehemently over it.
He earlier called me out for feigning ignorance as to the LD's limitations, and right now I'm kind of seeing the same thing here in that he's pretending not to realise he's wrong in the hopes he can latch onto the possibility of voting me later. Or maybe he's misinterpreting what Dom said. But I think it's the former.
Dom was clear. You are not understanding what Dom has said. I believe that you are feigning ignorance. I am not wrong--you are.

Having played in many, many games with LD's, I cannot even begin to comprehend why what you are claiming would begin to make sense. If I thought you were being accurate, I would probably quit the game because it wouldn't make sense in terms of game set up--but I trust that Dom hasn't changed the idea of an LD so much as to make it an entirely different role (which would be an interesting role, but isn't what an LD does or should be able to do).

Does anyone else who has ever played with an LD think that an LD can determine if a conjecture is correct or not, especially when posted in a list of conjectures listed for the explicit purpose of being checked?

Also, I'm female.

linkitis: I will link momentarily.

Yawn. Still pushing it along with the Quin suspicion. Asking for other opinions at least.

LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
LoRab wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I am thoroughly confused by this discussion between Quin and LoRab. They seem to be saying the same thing and disagreeing vehemently over it.
Quin has been listing conjectures for Pam to check in the thread, claiming that those conjectures are checkable by Pam as lies or not.

This is not accurate.

I believe she is intentionally trying to get Pam to waste her role. I find it hard to believe that she doesn't understand the difference between claims and theories and why one would be checkable and the other not.
Could you please show me the conjectures you're referring to? Much of the context here is lost on me, because it looked like he was promoting a concrete statement be checked.

~~~

Separate note: I don't care about the bloody lie detector role and I encourage Pam to just do her thing.
Here you go:

Here is where Quin first brings up the idea:

Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.
She even says that they are hypotheses (which is the same thing as conjecture or theories). Then, when given an answer, she posts a list of theories, posted for the sole purpose of Pam checking them, as opposed to making claims.

And it is clear that Quin knows what a claim is, as she made one regarding her role.

Quin wrote:I made sure to get up super dooper early this morning to catch up, even if it is freezing cold.

Dom wrote:
Quin wrote:If Pam is able to detect lies in all statements (excluding the obvious), I wonder whether it matters if the statement is made by someone who knows whether or not its the truth themselves. I'm going to ask Dom about it, and if he says it's right, it might be a good idea to just stockpile a whole bunch of hypotheses so she can gather information.
If a statement can be rendered true or false (i.e. Factual not opinion based) and does not break the alignment rule I gave earlier then it is check able.
So, let's come up with some hypotheses for our good pal Pam.

There are items in this game.
We will eventually receive a complete role list.
Voting for either of the three options on Day 0 would have had had a different effect on the game.

Add your own.
linkitis: @drumbeats: I happen to be online now. And I'm arguing because I'm cranky and because I strongly believe that I am correct and that this is indicative of Quin being bad. I'm less convinced aobut you. But because you are posting those lists for the purpose of them being checked--not because you are making a claim, I do not think that they are checkable. And I disagree that there is no harm in Pam submitting a statement that cannot be checked. In general, if a statement cannot be checked, then the LD is not able to submit a follow up statement, at least in my experience (as player and host). So it wastes the role for that night. That is why I think Quin's intentions are not good. And why I hope Pam has the sense to use her brain to check actual pieces of posts for truth/lies.

linkitis: @Quin: That doesn't make sense. What you posted, and encouraged others to post, was not presented as fact/claim--it was presented as theory and hypothesis.
Mentions arguing it so hard due to being cranky, which is definitely a possibility. The certainty expressed in that if Pam checks something that isnt checkable Dom will not let her resubmit feels like it might be an attempt to scare Pam away from asking Dom if she could check any of the statements I provided. Keeps pushing Quin.

LoRab wrote:I can appreciate that.
Can appreciate 3J's theory that they are both wrong. We will see if this changes anything later.

LoRab wrote:My program has ended, so I'm here for real now. I am way too tired to fully process anything right now. So, need to reread the past couple of RL days and ponder to form opinions. But wanted to let y'all know I'm around and I'll be able to play for real now.
Disappears for a while after that. First post is fluff and promise of future activity. Normal enough but not alignment indicative. Currently has not mentioned Quin's civ flip, but we will see.

LoRab wrote:
S~V~S wrote:German.

Who needs a better theme?
I've read too much Jewish philosophy this past week, mainly of Germans, to want that as a theme. I'm going with jazz. It makes my brain hurt less.
Night-vote

LoRab wrote:Catching up. Headache. But trying to get through and ponder everything.

I think SVS is more than capable of a crazy gambit, but why I don't think she did this in this particular case is that it wouldn't make any sense for her to post about it. It would be far more strategic to just quietly vote without posting before ending day. And then post about it later. It just doesn't seem like SVS to play this out like she's being accused of.
Takes a civilian stance on SVS but acknowledges the possibility of the alternative. Still yet to mention Quin. Reasoning for SVS civ read feels very forced to me because it makes no sense imo since we can just go back and look at the polls.

LoRab wrote:
bea wrote:I don't work that way DB. I work backwards.

tbh, I usually need a few days on SVS and you see I keep finding scenarios where she could still be bad, but honestly, if I use Occum, she reads and feels more civ to me than most.

I'm sad Wilgy died now that I know he was the tracker. Go back and look at my answer and ask yourself, would I have been talking about anyone but SVS? Or maybe Wabbit and Epi?

I felt good about JJ before he claimed/notclaimed indi. JJ - the students of Lorab are watching you. I currently see no reason to not keep him around. But I will flip a bitch as fast as you if make me think you are not working with the civs. As long as he's helpful he's ok. There will - if he lives - a long enough time where his survivial won't be ok. I reserve the right to lynch him when it's time for the potential indy to go. I think deep in his heart he is a civ leaning indy. I'm ok with letting him prove me right or wrong.

I trust a few others. Reading my posts will help you figure out who.

I'd like to hear more from indi and lorab and splintsy just cuz it's all us!! And come on -this is a fun time!!!

sig's still playing right? And he's the low poster I *remember* is playing. I"d like to hear from anyone who has less posts than sig.

linki - what the fucking fuck. Ok - more backtracking.
Other than the fact that "students of LoRab" made me guffaw, I'm confused by this post. You speak as if JJJ is still alive, even though this came after the night post (and I know you post as you catch up, so that's fine), but then you talk about the fact that he might not make. And i don't think you ever went back to correct yourself on him not surviving the night. This almost reads as if you knew he was going to die.
This is my favorite post by LoRab so far. Calls suspicion to bea for unique reasons. I'm not sure I agree on the suspicion but it feels more genuine than the mechanical tunnelvision on Quin.

LoRab wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
LoRab wrote:Catching up. Headache. But trying to get through and ponder everything.

I think SVS is more than capable of a crazy gambit, but why I don't think she did this in this particular case is that it wouldn't make any sense for her to post about it. It would be far more strategic to just quietly vote without posting before ending day. And then post about it later. It just doesn't seem like SVS to play this out like she's being accused of.
That's... oddly specific. And I'm not sure I agree that it would be any more strategic.
It was what I thought when I read through that section. Why announce that you're voting if you're trying to be sneaky and end the lynch? Maybe I'm wrong that it would be any more strategic. I still don't think it's a scenario that SVS would play out either way.
More SVS defense on the same logic that I don't get. Now says that she doesn't think SVS would do it either way, despite previously saying that she thought SVS was capable of it. Odd imo.

LoRab wrote:
DrumBeats wrote:
Noted about timmer. The one I suspect most is Lorab. One mechanics-based suspicion on Quin, who happened to be the person who the mafia benefitted from lynching. I also don't like Lorab's thoughts on SVS because they seem forced regardless of how SVS flips. Acknowledges how SVS is capable of a gambit like this, but then says probably not because SVS announced the vote rather than silently voting (which would be a terrible move for ScumVS).
Sorry you don't like how I play. I can't really do anything about that. I get caught up in mechanics that I think are important--more importantly, when I think another player seems to be bad based on those mechanics, I go after them. As for SVS, I was (probably poorly) expressing why I didn't think she was bad--and I still don't. I know how she plays--I've been playing with her for a long time. The way things played out, specifically how she played them, doesn't feel to me how she'd play out that scenario--at all.

That I disagree with you does not mean that I'm bad. Simply that I think about games differently than you do.

Sorsha wrote: I'll read their posts and let you know where I am with those three, I'm leaning bad on LoRab so far though. The whole "not having time to give reads but having time to argue about the LD" is my basis.
I've barely had time to play. When I did have time, that happened to be the topic that struck me. I often find one thing to latch onto and stubbornly argue about that one piece. And I did form suspicions based on that--Quin (whom I was wrong about) and Drumbeats, who I'm still unsure about and is still pinging my suspiciometer. The way you are describing my play, as someone who has played many games with me, and knows how i play, seems disingenuous, tbh.
Self-defense based mostly on meta. Says that I'm pinging her, but doesn't say why or when, and NO U's Sorsha. Finally mentions Quin and acknowledges being wrong about him.

LoRab wrote:Voting Matt. Was unsure of him based on what other said about him, but that he hasn't really defended makes me suspicious of him.
Vote on Matt with no specific reasoning other than that he is not defending himself.

LoRab wrote:Voted no for the tie, just because I'm in that kind of mood. Also, what if the question is, "should we reveal no more roles this entire game." Seems just as likely as all the roles, tbh.
Night-vote.

LoRab wrote:
Serge wrote:
LoRab wrote:Voted no for the tie, just because I'm in that kind of mood. Also, what if the question is, "should we reveal no more roles this entire game." Seems just as likely as all the roles, tbh.
Yeah, should we reveal no more roles doesn't roll off the tongue like should we reveal the remaining roles :P
Exactly. If the question is: Should we reveal no more roles, I think the answer is no. Given we don't know the question, I felt a tie was a good choice.
Defends the night-vote.
Day 0:
Fluff: 1
Mechanics: 1
Night-vote: 1

After:
Mechanic Speculation with suspicion based upon it: 7
Mechanical Clarification: 1
Night-vote: 4
Mechanical Speculation without suspicion based upon it: 3
Content: 5
Fluff: 1
Defense: 1
Day vote: 1

I feel just about as I expected about LoRab. I could be a bit biased, since both of the only real stances LoRab has taken I disagree with, but I just find the content ratios so out of whack for LoRab. LoRab was way too invested in the Pam case and was VERY confident she was right about her opinion. That certainty + interest is something I read two ways, which is that LoRab could have been mafia who interrogated Dom to know how to word her own posts. Or the other option I see is that LoRab is Pam, which would also explain her interest and level and certainty of knowledge. My only thing that makes me feel otherwise is that LoRab has not taken many hard stances that I would suspect from a lie detector. LoRab has provided very few reads outside of the Quin push, the vote on Matt felt off when the only other suspicions that LoRab mentioned were of Sorsha and myself. I'm getting a scum read on LoRab, the only thing that is giving me pause is that I can see a situation in which LoRab is Pam.

My rating:

3/10

Questions:

How do you feel about Quin's flip?
What is pinging you about me? Point out where please.
Why do you suspect Sorsha?
What was your reasoning for voting Matt in your own words?
Who are your top three suspects and why?

(I'm low on time right now, so I'm going to skip over Serge since he has a lot of posts and hit someone with less to read before I go. I want to hit Sorsha and timmer at least by EoD since they are the other two top votes. I currently want a LoRab lynch though)

Things I agree on:
-Most of her content in day 1 was a back and forth between mechanics in the lie detector. This was very limiting and I honestly glossed over what both she and Quin were having a spat about. Could be hyper focus, but also could be a baddie picking and sticking to one battle. Either way I didn't much care for either of their cases on each other.
-She hasn't taken many hard stances, which would definitely make it hard for the lie detector to check. This also reads as weak in general.

Things I don't agree on:
-Based on all of this, that your read is a 3/10. Your main point of contention is her lie detector quarry, and her lack of hard stances, which I just don't see as huge
-That you suspect her for her overconfidence in the lie detector role, when you yourself were very confident Matt and I were scum buddies, or that SVS is bad.
-that her spat with Quin can be liquidated to 2 possible instances leading to her alignment (her confirming with Dom behind the scenes, making her bad; her getting defensive over the semantics of the lie detector, this makin her Pam). I see her ask Dom questions in thread about the LD, so why would she have to ask Dom behind the scenes? And by saying either she is bad or Pam is a misguided train of logic, and actually plants a target on her back if she IS Pam. With the way the kills have been going, who the hell knows the pattern or strategy Mafia is using to eliminate civs but the fact still stands by calling out someone as a pivotal civ role can be a terrible idea.

Now I don't think you are suspicious for suspecting LoRab, or joining the CFD on her. Your suspicion is well documented and makes sense. I just don't agree with your thinking that she is the most suspicious person out there. I'm more of a 6/10 with her as civ lean.

TH on the other hand...

-Has one mention a few days ago where he lists 5 people he suspects in order, LoRab being #4. No reasoning or prior talking.
-Agrees to place a vote on timmer (I assume because he agreed with my case)
-Says he will vote where Enrique votes,
-Then attempts to start a CFD on LoRab. Because...

LoRab hasn't posted at all this phase, so that's unsettling. Whatchyu thinking, LoRab?

This is a huge gamble if TH is civ. Could be just testing waters to muss up the Mafia groove and see if they scramble, but on someone who he only just now mentions as not around? I ain't buyin it. This stinks like a setup to me. His ghost vote for Sorsha at the end also does nothing for me, even if it did catch what I would assume is a serial killer type.

I don't blame DB for making the jump to LoRab, as I said before. It's pulling a name out of a hat for someone who [claims] to be silenced. It seemed random and unjustified for the timeline, and if TH is civ, I strongly disagree with the playstyle.

Onto serge

#1731

Serge:

Splints finds Serge's fixation on the night poll as inherently suspicious, and votes him for it. She say she was looking at other people while she left the vote there. Dunno what came of that.

DFaraday doesn't see the timmer suspicion and thinks he's just busy. So he votes serge because he seems afraid to make bold claims.

Espers:

Sorsha:

I don't think any of these votes look suspicous on the whole. Espers was probably forced to vote Sorsha, although the fact that he is still here and has nothing else to say is a bad look IMO.
Serge had a bit of a meltdown over something DB said and hasn't been seen since, so I'm hoping he's just being overly dramatic, but my hopes are not high :/

Next is INH

#1732

Scotty wrote:TH on the other hand...

-Has one mention a few days ago where he lists 5 people he suspects in order, LoRab being #4. No reasoning or prior talking.
-Agrees to place a vote on timmer (I assume because he agreed with my case)
-Says he will vote where Enrique votes,
-Then attempts to start a CFD on LoRab. Because...
LoRab hasn't posted at all this phase, so that's unsettling. Whatchyu thinking, LoRab?
This is a huge gamble if TH is civ. Could be just testing waters to muss up the Mafia groove and see if they scramble, but on someone who he only just now mentions as not around? I ain't buyin it. This stinks like a setup to me. His ghost vote for Sorsha at the end also does nothing for me, even if it did catch what I would assume is a serial killer type.

I don't blame DB for making the jump to LoRab, as I said before. It's pulling a name out of a hat for someone who [claims] to be silenced. It seemed random and unjustified for the timeline, and if TH is civ, I strongly disagree with the playstyle.

Wut. How is that "a huge gamble"? I was trying to find someone to lynch. When I rejoined the discussion at the end of the lynch I wasn't feeling the top candidates.

And no I didn't vote for timmer because I agreed with your case on him. I did it for funsies and to see how he would react.

That's fine if you disagree with my playstyle.

And your first point is false, I mentioned LoRab a few times and stated exactly what it was about her that pinged me; "No reasoning or prior talking" is hogwash.

#1733

Vote for me in this poll and I will forgive you for slandering my good name.

#1734

INH:
Timmer votes INH based on a suspicion he has held all game. This much is true and can be backed up. In context, he chose to place the first vote on INH instead of Sorsha, who had 1 vote. What made him back up my confirmation bias was that he was possibly choosing to save Sorsha. In reality (unless the strangler had teammates) this is not the case. He stuck to his guns with sort of a resigned vote on INH, hoping it gained traction. Or not, I dunno. Either way, this actually made me feel better about timmer on the whole. If Sorsha had come back civ this might be a different story.

Enrique votes INH. Earlier in the day, he has reservations about timmer and Sorsha, and scrutinizes Sorsha in particular for her dancing around questions. Somewhere along the line he asks what I would consider a benign question of INH about whether suspecting someone is synonymous with being bad. That came out of nowhere.

Out of these 2, Enrique's is the most questionable here. His suspicion is less defined after having suspected Sorsha and Timmer earlier. This could be conceived as a distancing vote for one of serge or timmer. Not enough evidence, but I don't know if I would have voted someone for not being specific.

Onto Sorsha

#1735

Turnip Head wrote:
Scotty wrote:TH on the other hand...

-Has one mention a few days ago where he lists 5 people he suspects in order, LoRab being #4. No reasoning or prior talking.
-Agrees to place a vote on timmer (I assume because he agreed with my case)
-Says he will vote where Enrique votes,
-Then attempts to start a CFD on LoRab. Because...
LoRab hasn't posted at all this phase, so that's unsettling. Whatchyu thinking, LoRab?
This is a huge gamble if TH is civ. Could be just testing waters to muss up the Mafia groove and see if they scramble, but on someone who he only just now mentions as not around? I ain't buyin it. This stinks like a setup to me. His ghost vote for Sorsha at the end also does nothing for me, even if it did catch what I would assume is a serial killer type.

I don't blame DB for making the jump to LoRab, as I said before. It's pulling a name out of a hat for someone who [claims] to be silenced. It seemed random and unjustified for the timeline, and if TH is civ, I strongly disagree with the playstyle.
Wut. How is that "a huge gamble"? I was trying to find someone to lynch. When I rejoined the discussion at the end of the lynch I wasn't feeling the top candidates.

And no I didn't vote for timmer because I agreed with your case on him. I did it for funsies and to see how he would react.

That's fine if you disagree with my playstyle.

And your first point is false, I mentioned LoRab a few times and stated exactly what it was about her that pinged me; "No reasoning or prior talking" is hogwash.

Link it please. I must have missed it in my perusal through your posts.

#1736

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 37#p289237

and

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p289379

#1737

Sorsha:
Sorsha's going to be sort of a catch-all for suspicions, because I think she definitely had times where she seemed civ and some where she seemed Mafia. I would say that civs and Mafia alike could have used her as a scapegoat because she was playing both sides. But let's look at the patterns with her:

Epi votes Sorsha early. Sorsha has been the target of Epi's ire for a few days now.
I'm going to do a quick segue way because I stumbled upon a few things in looking through Epi's post history..

Epignosis wrote:Serge is bad.

Serge wrote:I do think JJJ and Quin are both at the same team.

Quin feels like he's on the forefront of scumhunting but what I feel he's doing is intentional chaotic brewing of the mechanics and roles stew. That post, #savemepandanderin (as if hashtags weren't bad enough) serves just to confuse people. Since it's been given the go ahead by Dom, it means his role is not at all connected with Pam and Erin, but in the off chance that it'll plant the seeds of doubt on anyone's mind that he is indeed related to them, he took that chance. Also, it is pure nonsense in the context of the game to post and I can only see someone as scum would make the effort to do.

JJJ on the other hand, GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you. You also forgave Quin. Also, bad vibes. I don't feel Superman JJJ right now, but Lex Luthor JJJ. Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor.
"GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you."

That's bad distancing, folks.

This was from day 4. Do you still think serge is bad? You seem very sure. Are you still sure?

I'm gonna ask this of you again:

Epignosis wrote:I am of the opinion that 3J was bad.

Who among you was going to mount the charge against him?

Required reading.

I'm going hunting for his teammates.

What evidence makes you feel like JJJ is bad, and Mafia would kill him. I can sorta understand an SVS kill, but JJJ looked uber civ to me. Please please please use your big boy words and not just post songs from the overrated Band Kansas?

anyway, back to your vote.

On day 4, you state that you would vote for either Sorsha or serge. You find hypocrisy in Sorsha's statements concerning TH's alignment being dependent on SVS' flip, which is a legit case. Epi's vote is first, and does not waver.

Next vote for Sorsha is from bea. I think she was probably forced by Merideth, but it came in a time where not many people had votes. Not much saving to be done here. Bea says later when she was "drerfunk" that her vote might have been "well-placed". Nothing about this sets off my suspiciometer.

At some point DB makes a vote for Sorsha. He has made some very thorough ISOs with ratings during the day phase, saying he felt least about Sorsha and LoRab, but offered to compare his to my case on timmer.
This is switched later to LoRab, and then back to Sorsha in the last 5 min to tie up the vote 4-4 serge and Sorsha. This is slightly "save-worthy", but doesn't look as bad for having been sitting as the 3rd vote on a majority train like Sorsha.

INH votes Sorsha as a save vote which made it 4-3-3 Sorsha-timmer-serge. As a preservation vote, this isn't a bad one.

After DB votes to tie it up as I just discusses, TH slides in with the last second vote to put her over the edge. I've explained in a previous post of his movement.

Turnip Head wrote:IMO Sorsha only busts out the "Wait til I prove you guys wrong" thing when she's civ. I know that by saying that I'm allowing her to use that against me in future games but I think it's true here.

Despite my early vote for timmer I'm not swayed by the case there either, and I think all the Serge votes are easy, his frustration felt genuine to me.

I'm down to swing this lynch onto INH. No grand unifying reason, I just don't get great vibes from his participation and I don't like the current top three candidates.

Earlier, he expressed his civ leanings on both serge and Sorsha, but with a 4-4 tie he votes to send Sorsha packing instead. I don't know where his vote was before this tbh.

I feel ok with DB's vote here, and the first 2 don't necessarily seem suspicious. I'm uber sus now of TH's vote here however, and wouldn't be surprised if serge/TH are a baddie team.

#1738

Turnip Head wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 37#p289237

and

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p289379

Ok I would hardly call those suspicions.

Thats like giving a high school crush a dandelion, witnessing her smile, never seeing her again and 10 years later showing up on her doorstep with divorce papers signaling that our marriage isn't working out any more.

I'm saying that's a jump to consider starting a CFD on someone in the last 10 minutes of day.

#1739

Sloppy detective work Scotty. My vote was on Lorab (obvs) and it was doing nothing there. You missed the part where I said it felt like Sorsha gave zero fucks because she doesn't vote to save herself, but then she voted last minute and I got trigger happy. I felt and still do feel that Serge is civ and voted to save him over Sorsha. You're right about that much.

Riddle me this though: if I'm mafia and trying to save my buddy Serge, why didn't I just agree with the Sorsha case in the first place? Why try to create a different lynch out of thin air when an easy lynch is right in front of me? Serge didn't even vote to save himself... that's a pretty dumb play on my part.

#1740

Scotty wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 37#p289237

and

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 79#p289379
Ok I would hardly call those suspicions.

Thats like giving a high school crush a dandelion, witnessing her smile, never seeing her again and 10 years later showing up on her doorstep with divorce papers signaling that our marriage isn't working out any more.

I'm saying that's a jump to consider starting a CFD on someone in the last 10 minutes of day.

Oh okay you're right, I wasn't suspicious of Lorab. My bad

#1741

Turnip Head wrote:Sloppy detective work Scotty. My vote was on Lorab (obvs) and it was doing nothing there. You missed the part where I said it felt like Sorsha gave zero fucks because she doesn't vote to save herself, but then she voted last minute and I got trigger happy. I felt and still do feel that Serge is civ and voted to save him over Sorsha. You're right about that much.

Riddle me this though: if I'm mafia and trying to save my buddy Serge, why didn't I just agree with the Sorsha case in the first place? Why try to create a different lynch out of thin air when an easy lynch is right in front of me? Serge didn't even vote to save himself... that's a pretty dumb play on my part.

Dammit, Jim. I'm a mechanic, not a detective!

the fact that Sorsha came back as indie is the only thing that is helping your case IMO. You are right, knowing that Sorsha isn't civ makes it a confusing case as to why you would not just plant your vote on Sorsha and move on.

The biggest ??? to me that you still haven't clearly answered is why pull LoRab out of a hat for a CFD? Why not Epi? Or even me? You left so many doors open, the air conditioning up and left the house. "Anyone is a suspect" I recall you saying at the beginning of the day. I don't see any clear line as to why the push was LoRab is all.

#1742

My suspicion of Epi has dwindled, as has my suspicion of you. LoRab was a suspect I thought I could gather support for.

#1743

I would also suspect that Spacedaisy was forced to vote Drumbeats on top of bea voting Sorsha and espers voting serge. In case anyone is counting.

In reading back through the votes from yesterday, here's some notes:
Drumbeats looks slightly better.
espers looks slightly worse.
Turnip Head looks worse.
Epi looks slightly better.
Enrique looks slightly worse.
Timmer looks slightly better.

I'm not sure how those compare with the GTH reads from last night.

Everyone else is pretty much in limbo. I have a few people I trust more than others that I don't feel like painting at this time.

I would acknowledge that I wouldn't mind my own office, but im not actively campaigning.

#1744

I have good feels about Scotty and TH so imma vote there now while I'm only a half hour late for my shift. I hate missing votes.

#1745

I'm not feeling super comfortable with anyone but myself but I don't want to just vote myself so I'm also going to vote TH. I come the closest to trusting him but that doesn't mean he's the only one I lean civ on.

#1746

What happened?? It gave others the chance to vote twice but would only let me vote once. Poo. I don't understand.

#1747

voted myself and Bea. Because, despite a blip of eyebrow raising, I have a strong civ read on her. And her explanation of my ping made sense to me. And myself because I'm awesome.

#1748

juliets wrote:What happened?? It gave others the chance to vote twice but would only let me vote once. Poo. I don't understand.

I just made this same mistake. We're supposed to vote for both at the same time. My next vote would have been bea

I would recommend those who haven't voted to vote her. My second choice would be Juliets.

#1749

Scotty wrote:Sorsha:
Sorsha's going to be sort of a catch-all for suspicions, because I think she definitely had times where she seemed civ and some where she seemed Mafia. I would say that civs and Mafia alike could have used her as a scapegoat because she was playing both sides. But let's look at the patterns with her:

Epi votes Sorsha early. Sorsha has been the target of Epi's ire for a few days now.
I'm going to do a quick segue way because I stumbled upon a few things in looking through Epi's post history..
Epignosis wrote:Serge is bad.

Serge wrote:I do think JJJ and Quin are both at the same team.

Quin feels like he's on the forefront of scumhunting but what I feel he's doing is intentional chaotic brewing of the mechanics and roles stew. That post, #savemepandanderin (as if hashtags weren't bad enough) serves just to confuse people. Since it's been given the go ahead by Dom, it means his role is not at all connected with Pam and Erin, but in the off chance that it'll plant the seeds of doubt on anyone's mind that he is indeed related to them, he took that chance. Also, it is pure nonsense in the context of the game to post and I can only see someone as scum would make the effort to do.

JJJ on the other hand, GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you. You also forgave Quin. Also, bad vibes. I don't feel Superman JJJ right now, but Lex Luthor JJJ. Jesse Eisenberg Lex Luthor.
"GTH is quite uncharacteristic of you."

That's bad distancing, folks.
This was from day 4. Do you still think serge is bad? You seem very sure. Are you still sure?

Sure? I always seem sure.

Serge quit. If he's bad and not sending in Night actions, excellent- he's not priority. I'm okay with his lynch regardless. I say if nothing solid comes up for Day 6, lynch Serge.

Scotty wrote: I'm gonna ask this of you again:
Epignosis wrote:I am of the opinion that 3J was bad.

Who among you was going to mount the charge against him?

Required reading.

I'm going hunting for his teammates.
What evidence makes you feel like JJJ is bad, and Mafia would kill him. I can sorta understand an SVS kill, but JJJ looked uber civ to me. Please please please use your big boy words and not just post songs from the overrated Band Kansas?

You are musically ignorant. You win a prize:

As for 3J, when does he not look "uber civ" to you? His independent claim was a way to skirt the inevitable, "Why haven't you been killed yet?" It was a plot. A scheme. I saw through it.

#1750

DrumBeats wrote:Epsers ISO

Spoiler: show
espers wrote:Hello, people. Haven't read through the thread yet, will do so after lunch. If anyone has any questions for me, let me know.
Fluff just after subbing in. Very understandable thing to say after subbing in but not alignment indicative.

espers wrote:
timmer wrote:
Quin wrote:
timmer wrote:You know what helps a lie detector? Quietly making a statement that you know will help them see that you are civ.

You know what doesn't help them? Getting all players to say it and getting the whole thing thrown out as unusable.

And what really really doesn't help is then winking and saying you knew that, Muhuhaha. Because now day 1 is about you.

not a fan. Maybe you won't care. And because of course you will ask. I am town aligned.
I thinkyou're talking to me so I'll respond. I wasn't going to ask anybody else to say it because the point's already been made that saying 'I am town aligned' isn't worth a damn to a lie detector. It was unusable from the start, so there's no reason why I can't find a use for it myself.

-wink-, muhuhaha.
Muhuhaha indeed, lol!

People who know Quin, how likely is it that he would read that role and miss the part about not using blanket statements? I'm rusty, and have lost track of who plays like what...
This post reminds me of what I've done in the past as scum, asking about someone's meta to look like you're producing content and shift the focus onto others if they bite. timmer is hedgy with this, not committing to a stance.

Also, it seems pretty inaccurate to say that quin missed that part of the role when he acknowledged it in the post timmer was referring to here. Bad look.
Interesting stance on timmer, who was not a point of contention at the time.

espers wrote:
Serge wrote:So the thing we voted on, Personnel won and now roles have been revealed? Why only townies? If we voted management would have that revealed the roles of the management? I seem to recall a post here wherein the management is a separate group.

Checking out!
This is suspicious at surface level, none of these questions have a hope of producing substantive content if i'm right in my interpretation of the infodumping rules.

Serge, do you have any thoughts on the game's progression so far? Any suspicions of players?

linki: i had this written up before going to do some vacuuming, then when i came back it turned out people have mentioned him
Calls out Serge early for his lack of post-content.

espers wrote:
Scotty wrote:Sorry all I'm doing construction (of all things lol) all day today and zipping over on a date to see Independence Day right after. So I'm not gonna be around much at all leading up to EoD

I've skimmed the past few pages and only have a few things to say:
-Where is Matt? People have been answering for him, which he has expressly said he doesn't like other people doing for other people.
-Wilgy, don't you think that acting the same way as your bad self in another game could be perceived as alignment indicative? Like, just a little? This is like bubble gum bursting in your face, looking in the mirror and going, "I'm still beautiful", tossing back that lock of hair back and saying 'screw the haters!' In other words, this could just be Wilgy being Wilgy. Or it could be Wilgy misspeaking himself into a corner.
-Goldy has yet to check in, and honestly that is where my vote is going right now. Day 1's gonna Day 1, and I think suspicions will make more sense when we see a flip.

vote Goldy

I hope to check back in before EoD, but can't promise it
Goldy was the person I replaced. Others have mentioned it recently, I'd also like to see it clarified. How would my role being flipped make suspicions "make more sense"?
Questions Scotty on the same basis that I was.

espers wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I always feel bad about birdwithteeth because he gets lynched so early all the time.
Are you saying you don't think he should be lynched? Not really sure what you're going for here.
Questions Epi

espers wrote:Hi, sorry for missing the vote. Had the deadline wrong in my head, won't let it happen again.

Fwiw I'd have voted BWT.
Fluff, also Espers's last post.
Between Night 1 and Night 2
Fluff: 2
Content: 4

I have to say, what I saw from espers I liked, but the fact that Espers has not checked in since Night 2 makes me wonder what's up with him. The huge streak of inactivity makes me very skeptical.

My rating:

5/10

Questions:
Where are ya?
I'm here. If you're asking about my activity level, my access has been sporadic due to being busier irl than i'd anticipated. Also i was silenced d4, it didn't occur to me that I could claim at the time.

What are your thoughts on QuinGate (SVS's "forced" vote of Quin)?
I don't think SVS was forced, I don't see how it would be reasonable given the roles we've seen so far. I'm working under the assumption she was mafia at present. I was a bit stuck for a while on why they would kill their teammate; as someone said (enrique, i think?) that nullifies the mechanical advantage they get from the insta-day and double night.

I've come to the conclusion that it was a setup to throw off the town. The only person who was "cleared" as far as i can see is Epi (because of "svs would never distance that early" wifom). So yeah, epi is scum. I'm not sure i'm explaining that clearly, it makes sense in my head.

Who are your top scumreads as of now?
Epi as I mentioned. INH also feels bad, he keeps expressing things in terms of negatives ("x strategy never works") without offering alternatives and focussing on self defense.

Scotty is also pinging me with his reaction to TH's eod5. I see that kind of eod shenanigans as pro-civ behaviour generally, his suspicion feels contrived. To say he's a top scumread for that would be a stretch though, I'll look into him further.

Who's getting a pink slip?