The Syndicate

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:55 pm One counter is that mafia is taking mercy on the noob still but I think my pass has run out.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:37 am One interesting thing in splints iso is that they ask who they should iso next, SVS offers sabi as a possibility for a fresh perspective, and splints doesn't do it.

I think SVS's choice of sabi was actually a very strong one, and her logic sound, and town splints perspective on sabi would have been valuable (and was urgent in the sense that it's too late now).

I dunno whether I think this is AI or just splints not having the time to follow through. Have to mull on that.

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.

I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:46 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

nah you got it all wrong because it was on me

I’m spartacus

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:46 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.

I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.

I think seanzie is right re lucy - I think we should let the cop/deputy deal with it. Or at least give her some space to get to play freely and see what comes, she's been under constant suspicion since the start, and I think it is inevitable that she effectively solves her own slot from here one way or the other.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:07 am Where does that list of reads take me?

It takes me to 'I really think it's time I focus on the roxy/mata/splints/bea group', given they represent half of the people I don't have a proper good townread on yet and they are people I should theoretically be able to get a grip on.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:48 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:46 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.

I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.

I think seanzie is right re lucy - I think we should let the cop/deputy deal with it. Or at least give her some space to get to play freely and see what comes, she's been under constant suspicion since the start, and I think it is inevitable that she effectively solves her own slot from here one way or the other.

Okey dokey then.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:13 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:07 am Where does that list of reads take me?

It takes me to 'I really think it's time I focus on the roxy/mata/splints/bea group', given they represent half of the people I don't have a proper good townread on yet and they are people I should theoretically be able to get a grip on.

This was my EXACT thought when I saw no death. How likely do you think it would be that one of them missed the night kill PM.

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 am @Seanzie, what do you think of my thoughts so far today. Do you think I'm looking in the right directions, generally speaking?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:55 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:41 am @Seanzie, what do you think of my thoughts so far today. Do you think I'm looking in the right directions, generally speaking?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:29 am

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:02 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:01 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:51 pm I could vote soneji independent of my sabi read.

Why?

Approach to Seanzie feels like someone who understands day one more through wolfchat than thread to me

I note that I also still feel a little urky lurky about this from soneji

@Soneji noting your later entry to the game, what was your philosophy on entering a thread that was well underway?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:54 am @Scotty if I was going to sell your wool at the market what price do you think I'd get for it?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:59 am I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:36 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:59 am I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

eh

3 schools of thought with NK analysis, that may overlap in many cases:
Either
A) the mafia is quakin in their booties about that player going down the right track
Or
B) the mafia want to doc dodge and pick a target that’s innocuous enough but not obvious town
Or
C) the mafia pick a target that don’t implicate anyone and give almost a wash on analysis


I combed through marmot’s ISO and had a lot of C, where I wanted to see a lot of A, and came up mostly B. B and C often go hand in hand.

I don’t think marmot had a lot of indictments on others. It wasn’t like he was steering the thread on any one person- and unfortunately his biggest contribution was helping pile on Wilgy. That rainbow list included you and mata as semi scum reads, which I latched onto but in the end I think it has more to do with
-he didn’t have much suspicion one way or the other
-he probably didn’t incriminate any mafia.

It was a clean kill and I don’t like kt

bea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:35 am Oh my fucking gods. So much of this should be ot green but you guys. I CAN'T even ass out which parts should be ot vs are important to game stuff.

I completely came into this game behind. Not knowing I subbed in till svs was all "hey! Game!" That was the day I did q close/open in the resteraunt. The day I actually posted, I literally crammed all those pages into my brainz eating lunch during an o/c. I had Wed off, and I slept a lot that day. Got a hair cut and tried to start decorating the xmas tree diggz left to me to do to you know, contribute to the household. All of Wed.l forgot I was playing a mafia game. Thurs was all fuck. Try to catch up. Miss the vote and friday play catch up more.

I get why the night cycle gets locked and honestly if you look back at the anni game that was when I did a large chunk of posting. Between resteraunt life and east cost hosts more of my free time tends to fall on night cycles.

I have asked to be replaced because the town doesn't deserve a bea that forgot she was playing a game. And neither does gman. If that can happen, cool. In the meantime - I will keep trying.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:41 am Also I had a thought that I think is a good thought and I’m surprised we didn’t bring this up in D1:

I think we should utilize the roles better. I contend we should AIM to tie the vote today. But this is only preferable if we ALL consolidate onto 2 people.

Thoughts?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:39 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:36 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:59 am I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

eh

3 schools of thought with NK analysis, that may overlap in many cases:
Either
A) the mafia is quakin in their booties about that player going down the right track
Or
B) the mafia want to doc dodge and pick a target that’s innocuous enough but not obvious town
Or
C) the mafia pick a target that don’t implicate anyone and give almost a wash on analysis


I combed through marmot’s ISO and had a lot of C, where I wanted to see a lot of A, and came up mostly B. B and C often go hand in hand.

I don’t think marmot had a lot of indictments on others. It wasn’t like he was steering the thread on any one person- and unfortunately his biggest contribution was helping pile on Wilgy. That rainbow list included you and mata as semi scum reads, which I latched onto but in the end I think it has more to do with
-he didn’t have much suspicion one way or the other
-he probably didn’t incriminate any mafia.

It was a clean kill and I don’t like kt

It's only a clean kill if mata is town

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:47 am

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:42 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:41 am Also I had a thought that I think is a good thought and I’m surprised we didn’t bring this up in D1:

I think we should utilize the roles better. I contend we should AIM to tie the vote today. But this is only preferable if we ALL consolidate onto 2 people.

Thoughts?

We also seem to be forgetting that the mafia can void 2 people's votes, or is that what you're saying?

Bingo.

And I doubt they’re voiding someone that had a problem voting before. So I’d count out like bea/Roxy..maybe splints as targets. They would want to target someone with a town tendency that could conceptually be dangerous in a wagon situation.

Which is why I think if we all consolidate onto 2 players, there is a very good chance someone will be chopped.
That is…if mafia decides to void any votes at all…

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:50 am [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

For saying the right things and I find myself nodding along.

I feel like I’ve been wrong a lot this take so far

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:50 am [VOTE: Soneji] aubergine

For saying the right things and I find myself nodding along.

I feel like I’ve been wrong a lot this take so far

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:14 am Doesn't this plan just, potentially, identify civilians. What exactly are we trying to gain with this plan? Keep in mind it's very late and I'm running on fumes.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:44 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:39 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 1:36 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:59 am I do think it's ironic that Scotty comes out of day one like 'here's marmot's rainbow list, look one of these two people he thinks is bad is probably the killer' and a day later I'm like 'hey scotty, maybe that analysis was at least a little good'.

eh

3 schools of thought with NK analysis, that may overlap in many cases:
Either
A) the mafia is quakin in their booties about that player going down the right track
Or
B) the mafia want to doc dodge and pick a target that’s innocuous enough but not obvious town
Or
C) the mafia pick a target that don’t implicate anyone and give almost a wash on analysis


I combed through marmot’s ISO and had a lot of C, where I wanted to see a lot of A, and came up mostly B. B and C often go hand in hand.

I don’t think marmot had a lot of indictments on others. It wasn’t like he was steering the thread on any one person- and unfortunately his biggest contribution was helping pile on Wilgy. That rainbow list included you and mata as semi scum reads, which I latched onto but in the end I think it has more to do with
-he didn’t have much suspicion one way or the other
-he probably didn’t incriminate any mafia.

It was a clean kill and I don’t like kt

It's only a clean kill if mata is town

But like how would that mafia conversation go?
Mata: “oh no, marmot has mild suspicion of me. Icarus is flying too close to my sun. He needs to go”
Mafia B: “go for it, I believe in you”
Dennis: “Shouldn’t we go for someone more obvtown?”
Mata: “no Dennis, look at me, look at me; I am the captain now”

I don’t see it

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:03 am Thinking about it I'm gonna drop a [VOTE: Scotty] aubergine for that, let it slow cook overnight and see how I feel about it tomorrow.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 9:25 pm @Neon hiiiiii

[VOTE: Sabi] aubergine self pres

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:51 am @S~V~S - re 'one of splints and mata'

If you had to pick one as wolf right now, which feels righter in your gut.

bea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:42 am Oh god i had a reads post thar I lost based on phone death. Life really doesn't want me to be able to play this game. Let's try agan:

Sonji is my new marromot. I know he is skilled. I haven't seen anything that sparks trust.

Svs and kate feel civ. They are my strongest gut reads.

Golden isn't far behind. He is different this game than last. Even with the new meta.

Of the og inactives - outside myself, I feel best about rox. Mata has her issues too that make me want to give a pass. I feel less sure of splintsy. If we had to lean here, i am sad to say my day 1 vote wouldn't change. I am also 3rd person super curious as to why she isoee falcon and not sabi.

Speaking of falcon - when I catch up, I find myself thinking he is asking good questions and I always forget he is playing. That worries me.

Scotty feels different this game too. Nothing i am 100 on, just interesting to me to note at this time.


Dennis is playing an amazing nooob civ game. I am ok with leaving him at this read for now. And I am going to take the great noob civ game at face value cuz apprently in this game, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. But what I do know is that just like the civ apple doesn't fall from the tree - neither does the wolf. And I reserve the right to recind this civ for now card. Cuz Dennis has already proved he has skillz.

LUCY - sweet lucy - thank you for giving me shit for being inactive. You were the only one. After the anni game when I flipped civ, i feel like my firends are giving me a pass. I agree with you btw - my gameplay has sucked donkey ass. Not knowing me personally, i love that you called me on that. What do you think of other lower participants like mata, roxy and songei?

bea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:42 am Oh god i had a reads post thar I lost based on phone death. Life really doesn't want me to be able to play this game. Let's try agan:

Sonji is my new marromot. I know he is skilled. I haven't seen anything that sparks trust.

Svs and kate feel civ. They are my strongest gut reads.

Golden isn't far behind. He is different this game than last. Even with the new meta.

Of the og inactives - outside myself, I feel best about rox. Mata has her issues too that make me want to give a pass. I feel less sure of splintsy. If we had to lean here, i am sad to say my day 1 vote wouldn't change. I am also 3rd person super curious as to why she isoee falcon and not sabi.

Speaking of falcon - when I catch up, I find myself thinking he is asking good questions and I always forget he is playing. That worries me.

Scotty feels different this game too. Nothing i am 100 on, just interesting to me to note at this time.


Dennis is playing an amazing nooob civ game. I am ok with leaving him at this read for now. And I am going to take the great noob civ game at face value cuz apprently in this game, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. But what I do know is that just like the civ apple doesn't fall from the tree - neither does the wolf. And I reserve the right to recind this civ for now card. Cuz Dennis has already proved he has skillz.

LUCY - sweet lucy - thank you for giving me shit for being inactive. You were the only one. After the anni game when I flipped civ, i feel like my firends are giving me a pass. I agree with you btw - my gameplay has sucked donkey ass. Not knowing me personally, i love that you called me on that. What do you think of other lower participants like mata, roxy and songei?

bea wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:42 am Oh god i had a reads post thar I lost based on phone death. Life really doesn't want me to be able to play this game. Let's try agan:

Sonji is my new marromot. I know he is skilled. I haven't seen anything that sparks trust.

Svs and kate feel civ. They are my strongest gut reads.

Golden isn't far behind. He is different this game than last. Even with the new meta.

Of the og inactives - outside myself, I feel best about rox. Mata has her issues too that make me want to give a pass. I feel less sure of splintsy. If we had to lean here, i am sad to say my day 1 vote wouldn't change. I am also 3rd person super curious as to why she isoee falcon and not sabi.

Speaking of falcon - when I catch up, I find myself thinking he is asking good questions and I always forget he is playing. That worries me.

Scotty feels different this game too. Nothing i am 100 on, just interesting to me to note at this time.


Dennis is playing an amazing nooob civ game. I am ok with leaving him at this read for now. And I am going to take the great noob civ game at face value cuz apprently in this game, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. But what I do know is that just like the civ apple doesn't fall from the tree - neither does the wolf. And I reserve the right to recind this civ for now card. Cuz Dennis has already proved he has skillz.

LUCY - sweet lucy - thank you for giving me shit for being inactive. You were the only one. After the anni game when I flipped civ, i feel like my firends are giving me a pass. I agree with you btw - my gameplay has sucked donkey ass. Not knowing me personally, i love that you called me on that. What do you think of other lower participants like mata, roxy and songei?

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 2:17 am Or you mean looking for consensus?

The other way is to get w/w wagons.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:44 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:52 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:47 pm 1) doc was obviously on dennis
2) i'm gonna play more tomorrow cause i'm still frustrated we have had v/v wagons for 2 cycles

Why is that so obvious?

Everyone who has said something about me minus Scotty has said civ. Also it would've made Lucy look really bad after we had our fight, which assuming Lucy is civ would make it obvious to her.

I will be very surprised if the kill target was not me.

Not if Lucy had anything to do with it. And I still think she did. Her vote yestetday and wanting to eliminate a low poster.

Gun to head, my call for bad team is Lucy, Soneji and one of Splints or Mata, maybe Neon.

I think Bea would have been replaced already if she were bad, and Rox has a certain tone when she’s bad, especially if someone has spoken nastily to her. Last night after Lucy called her “Fucking Roxy”, she responded pretty calmly to it. It’s a long time since we’ve played together and I could be 100% wrong since this is a tone read. But that sharp element she has when bad is missing.