The Syndicate

/s on my comments to falcon (u never know)

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

Reason number 1 is pressure. Can you give me an example?
Reason number 2... sorry memes aren't allowed in mafia anymore.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:41 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:29 pm @falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?

Of course.




I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't even know China had a Yunnan.


- end thoughts

typical scum response

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:34 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Those two be me scumreads

what about me?

You're not voting for BoKnows

??? You mentioned how JJJ was pocketed by Sloonei which indicates you think Sloonei is scum.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:50 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

See, now this post actually seems more like a response to pressure.


JPIC, if you randed scum this game, who would you chose as your teammates and why?

I don’t understand the point in your question

Does that mean you're not gonna answer it?

Not if there isn’t a point to the exercise. If there is a credible reason then I will

Typical town response, "no I won't answer your question if I don't like it"...
[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:24 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:36 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:34 am

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:21 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:55 am Odd, you honestly think that scum like to vote together in a situation like this?

Why would that be a thing? What logic are you supposedly employing here? This is suspicious.

Why wouldn't mafia vote together in a situation like this? What kind of situation is this?

One reason mafia wouldn't vote together is that they don't want to be associated, but that's neither here nor there - your reverse question isn't pertinent.

The situation is voting for a player who has no other votes, in the first half of day 1.

In the last game we played, Bee Mafia, two mafia voted together for their third mafia member Day 1. This allowed them to win.

I’m not saying this is exactly the same situation, but I definitely am rethinking what “mafia wouldn’t do” after that game.

It's true. And LC saw it happen, so I'm not sure why he's acting like it's not a possibility

You've lost track of my point entirely.

Well then man of mystery, why don't you clarify for me?

No problemo!

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:48 amMy point is that Oddmerta is using the fact that I voted alongside someone that Odd suspects, as evidence that I'm bad.

I don't think that's genuine logic. Two scum CAN vote together, but is such a thing SO LIKELY that you form a suspicion on one player merely because that player voted alongside another? Of course not, that is not logical at all. Furthermore, Oddmerta fluffed it off and didn't confront or clarify that accusation, which looks bad.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:05 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

Reason number 1 is pressure. Can you give me an example?
Reason number 2... sorry memes aren't allowed in mafia anymore.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:41 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:29 pm @falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?

Of course.




I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't even know China had a Yunnan.


- end thoughts

typical scum response

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:34 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Those two be me scumreads

what about me?

You're not voting for BoKnows

??? You mentioned how JJJ was pocketed by Sloonei which indicates you think Sloonei is scum.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:50 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:46 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

See, now this post actually seems more like a response to pressure.


JPIC, if you randed scum this game, who would you chose as your teammates and why?

I don’t understand the point in your question

Does that mean you're not gonna answer it?

Not if there isn’t a point to the exercise. If there is a credible reason then I will

Typical town response, "no I won't answer your question if I don't like it"...
[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

lol

Can we talk about responding to pressure for a second

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:05 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

Reason number 1 is pressure. Can you give me an example?
Reason number 2... sorry memes aren't allowed in mafia anymore.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:41 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:29 pm @falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?

Of course.




I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't even know China had a Yunnan.


- end thoughts

typical scum response

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:34 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 am

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Those two be me scumreads

what about me?

You're not voting for BoKnows

??? You mentioned how JJJ was pocketed by Sloonei which indicates you think Sloonei is scum.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:50 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:49 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:46 pm

See, now this post actually seems more like a response to pressure.


JPIC, if you randed scum this game, who would you chose as your teammates and why?

I don’t understand the point in your question

Does that mean you're not gonna answer it?

Not if there isn’t a point to the exercise. If there is a credible reason then I will

Typical town response, "no I won't answer your question if I don't like it"...
[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

lol

Can we talk about responding to pressure for a second

My vote on you was for pressure. What do you mean by a ‘specific example’?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:09 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:07 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:05 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:03 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:42 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:26 am Read a little and the two people on my wagon did not explain their vote on me. Little bit annoying but whatever.

@Long Con
@Justplayingitcool
explain please!

Pressure. And i think your ‘If scum could out themselves’ felt fake and comes from scum more often than not

Reason number 1 is pressure. Can you give me an example?
Reason number 2... sorry memes aren't allowed in mafia anymore.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:41 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:29 pm @falcon45ca can I get your thoughts on the karst topography in Yunnan province of China?

Of course.




I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. I didn't even know China had a Yunnan.


- end thoughts

typical scum response

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:36 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:34 pm

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:38 am
Those two be me scumreads

what about me?

You're not voting for BoKnows

??? You mentioned how JJJ was pocketed by Sloonei which indicates you think Sloonei is scum.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:50 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 12:49 pm

I don’t understand the point in your question

Does that mean you're not gonna answer it?

Not if there isn’t a point to the exercise. If there is a credible reason then I will

Typical town response, "no I won't answer your question if I don't like it"...
[VOTE: JPIC] aubergine

lol

Can we talk about responding to pressure for a second

My vote on you was for pressure. What do you mean by a ‘specific example’?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHH why didn't you say so. I thought it was for my response to pressure.

Well that was fun

@Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

LC's response to my asking him to clarify himself makes me think he's the kind of neighbour that you invite to the house party. He brings his own booze that's more than enough for himself, and a joint for later on.



JPIC's responses to my questions make me think he's the kind of neighbour you plan the house party for when you know he's out of town, cuz he's definitely gonna call the cops for a noise complaint. He also watches out the window to make sure nobody comes near his property.

tick tock tick tock tick tock

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 pm LC's response to my asking him to clarify himself makes me think he's the kind of neighbour that you invite to the house party. He brings his own booze that's more than enough for himself, and a joint for later on.



JPIC's responses to my questions make me think he's the kind of neighbour you plan the house party for when you know he's out of town, cuz he's definitely gonna call the cops for a noise complaint. He also watches out the window to make sure nobody comes near his property.

Too right, there’s a pandemic going on

Thanks JPIC. I’d be interested to hear more about Esooa, tedxtr, and TSP in particular.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

idk if you can tell be straw and esooa are bolded

Alright, I've caught up. That was a lot of info. I'll have a wall-of-text and a rainbow list in a moment.

Would someone mind awfully summing up what the cases are against the current vote leaders, Oddmerta and KZA? The former seemed to come out of the blue.

Also @JaggedJimmyJay, did you go into your vote on AL_sama? If you did, I might've missed it.

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:26 pm Alright, I've caught up. That was a lot of info. I'll have a wall-of-text and a rainbow list in a moment.

Would someone mind awfully summing up what the cases are against the current vote leaders, Oddmerta and KZA? The former seemed to come out of the blue.

I'm excited.

I'll be extremely brief about summing up. Others can expand if they like. Some folks suspect Oddmerta for promoting unsubstantiated reads. Some folks suspect KZA for being self-centric in his approach to the game (focused on his accusers).

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:23 pm Thanks JPIC. I’d be interested to hear more about Esooa, tedxtr, and TSP in particular.

Esooa - insistence on questioning people that townreads them makes me townread them unironically. Most mafia would take the free read then challenge it

ted - defended me in thread so it could be a bad read by me and he has pocketed me. However, i contrast his two games of his from my memory. In GoC, he tried to take charge and and wasn’t really suspected all game only for mech to out him. In MtG, he was heavily sussed all game and was a misyeet pretty early. I feel like it’s the same here

Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:24 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

idk if you can tell be straw and esooa are bolded

That was unintentional

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:27 pm Also @JaggedJimmyJay, did you go into your vote on AL_sama? If you did, I might've missed it.

It's not a vote that can come packaged with a wealth of rationale given the dearth of content in AL_sama's posts. To put it simply: I've some doubts about the sincerity of their reads on tutuu and Oddmerta. I cannot identify any inspired reason to call them town.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:28 pm Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 pm LC's response to my asking him to clarify himself makes me think he's the kind of neighbour that you invite to the house party. He brings his own booze that's more than enough for himself, and a joint for later on.



JPIC's responses to my questions make me think he's the kind of neighbour you plan the house party for when you know he's out of town, cuz he's definitely gonna call the cops for a noise complaint. He also watches out the window to make sure nobody comes near his property.

Too right, there’s a pandemic going on

The house party takes place in 1978.


You're driving a burgundy Ford Fairmont, and you wear terry cloth polo shirts. Even tho you can afford thinner lenses, you refuse to purchase new lenses & give up the coke bottles you've been wearing for 16 years

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:35 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:20 pm LC's response to my asking him to clarify himself makes me think he's the kind of neighbour that you invite to the house party. He brings his own booze that's more than enough for himself, and a joint for later on.



JPIC's responses to my questions make me think he's the kind of neighbour you plan the house party for when you know he's out of town, cuz he's definitely gonna call the cops for a noise complaint. He also watches out the window to make sure nobody comes near his property.

Too right, there’s a pandemic going on

The house party takes place in 1978.


You're driving a burgundy Ford Fairmont, and you wear terry cloth polo shirts. Even tho you can afford thinner lenses, you refuse to purchase new lenses & give up the coke bottles you've been wearing for 16 years

good morning. i am gay.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:45 pm good morning. i am gay.

Weren't you gay last time?

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 10:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 3:42 am @Oddmerta why are you being different than you were in Radiohead?

It's a different game


Return question, what did you think as the host of my scumhunting that game?

I do not remember well enough to have an answer to this.

What is your strategy in this game. How do you plan on achieving your goals?

General notes and observations:
Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:29 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:24 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

idk if you can tell be straw and esooa are bolded

That was unintentional

No that was me asking you about your Straw and Esooa reads

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

Off Topic

Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Why Eooaa, marmot and I?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 6:43 am I have caught up.

Esooa and Mac are both obvious town. I would sheep Mac, but Mac wants to sheep me. We have the same reads anyway so it probably doesn't matter.

Oddmerta is town. Do not vote him. Trust me on this.

SPF has been pretty townie since my last criticism of her.

Al_Sama dropping off the face of the earth is very concerning and him and KZA might have the highest % of flipping scum right now.

Why me exactly

You DID inspire the siren button, Strawhenge, those years ago.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:58 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm(snip)

Why Eooaa, marmot and I?

I made notes in the spoiler box.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:58 pm You DID inspire the siren button, Strawhenge, those years ago.

YUP. TEARS. :,)

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:56 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:29 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:24 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:23 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:13 pm @Justplayingitcool quick, top four town and top three mafia go go go GO GO GO HURRY

Town:
JJJ
Straw
Esooa
Ted

Mafia:
BoKnows
Oddmerta
TSP

idk if you can tell be straw and esooa are bolded

That was unintentional

No that was me asking you about your Straw and Esooa reads

Ah, well ive explained the esooa read already.

Strawhenge was a soul read. Pretty townie entrances every time he has showed up to the thread

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:00 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:58 pm

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm(snip)

Why Eooaa, marmot and I?

I made notes in the spoiler box.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:58 pm You DID inspire the siren button, Strawhenge, those years ago.

YUP. TEARS. :,)

Okay, so it's based on that you think Marmot is scum and me saying that I have good vibes about marmot immediately followed up with that the vibes wore off and it was due to the pfp?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm General notes and observations:

Spoiler: show

• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

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Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Anyone else think it strange that he has specific notes and observations about tutuu, KZA, Nook, Ted, & TSP, and has all of them as null/black font?

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:48 pm General notes and observations:

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• I don't like @KZA saying tutuu is fake as justification for voting for her. Feels like a weak case.

• TSP claiming that JJJ is scum, then immediately giving a tepid 'well maybe not idk' response when challenged. If @TonyStarkPrime is town, I see it as a failed provocation to get JJJ to defend himself. If TSP is scum, I see it as a failed cast of a line to see if anyone would help start a bandwagon. Wild speculation here, on my part, but this moment stands out to me.

• @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME saying he agrees because JJJ won't townread him is reminiscent of overconfident scum.

• I don't know @KZA, but this reaction to TSP's read reads as earnest.

• The @Marmot's posts here and the one two posts after it feel weird. I'm not volume-shaming at all, but the linked post reads like a totally needless justification for not engaging much with D1. The latter post, asking about multiball, feels the weirdest. After 20 pages of discussion where there are plenty of cases already gaining traction, including JJJ voting for him as of then, why go back into setup speculation?

• @BoKnows has an interesting waffling moment starting here, with a 'good vibes read' on the Marmot Later, @Alison points out an exchange between the Marmot and KZA as 'insipid and wolfy', and four minutes later BoKnows says, he no longer has good vibes from Marmot and it was just based on his pfp anyway. Scum distancing himself from a scummate?

• I for sure perked my eyebrow at @tedxtr's Oddmerta vote, but I really didn't like the almost immediate and admitted bandwagoning by @Esooa. She went from gut town-lean to gut scum-lean in an instant. Esooa is sticking to this vote, which makes me even more suspicious.

Reads on vote leaders:

• @Oddmerta is for sure casting scumreads without much backup, if any at all. I'm not sure which JPIC post he says he didn't like, nor am I sure that this post in question is his reason for voting JPIC. That said, I learned early on in my mafia days that lack of elaboration ≠ necessarily being anti-town. I'm interested in what Oddmerta has to say, but I'm not convinced of the scumreads on him yet.

• @KZA is also a case I can understand, but it's another that I don't really buy. I myself have been very self-defensive in past games as a power-roled town, because I saw myself as valuable. I still don't like KZA's take/vote on tutuu, but everything else reads as pretty earnest.

Current (mostly gut) reads (each tier is roughly in order, reasons for the scum-leans are in the notes/observations above)
Alison
JaggedJimmyJay
falcon
MacDougall
Sloonei
tutuu
SPF
Oddmerta
Michelle
fingersplints
Dom
TSP
tedxtr
Long Con
nanook
JPIC
KZA
Esooa
Marmot
BoKnows

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Hold the fuck up. There's a 'siren' button. Did...did I inspire this? If you say yes, I will cry.

Why am I that low and why is a zero poster that high.

Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.

The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.

The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?

Nothing about his posts it was just a vibe.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.

The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?

Nothing about his posts it was just a vibe.

Please, to the best of your ability, describe the original good vibes and then the changed vibes.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:31 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 1:28 pm Tsp - gut read but the exchange with him and odd was peculiar a couple of pages which I didn’t really understand. His read on you which fingersplints brought up implied he had a bigger read on marmot than just null

This is worth exploring. @TonyStarkPrime please tell me about Marmot.

If you read TSP posts they are a bit all over the place in their feeling on Marmot. Suspecting you for your vote on Marmot, next calling their read on Marmot null, before voting for Marmot themselves.

Strawhenge is my top civilian read.

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

i dunno

I'm getting voted over this player.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:48 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 11:47 am straw might be mafia i think he might be mafia what if hes mafia

y

i dunno

I'm getting voted over this player.

what's the problem with that

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:07 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:06 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:04 pm Strawhenge raises an interesting observation:

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:18 pm Marmot is giving me good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:41 pm marmot's vibes faded away. thinking the source of the vibes are from the pfp, love it.

The space between these posts occupies 24 minutes of time, and during those 24 minutes (and just prior to the first Bo post) Marmot made one of his more substantive appearances in the game thread. Bo, what about Marmot's posts in that space changed your view?

Nothing about his posts it was just a vibe.

Please, to the best of your ability, describe the original good vibes and then the changed vibes.

Marmot came in and felt light hearted. Then he got semi serious so the feel good vibe faded I guess. His pfp adds to the feel good vibes.

BoKnows wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:09 pm Marmot came in and felt light hearted. Then he got semi serious so the feel good vibe faded I guess. His pfp adds to the feel good vibes.

Thanks. I got nothing for that.

Straw also specifically mentions JPIC & Odd, both of them null/black font.


Mentions JJJ & Alison, both town reads.


Mentions BK, Essoa, Marmot, all scum reads.


Far and away, the majority of players Straw talks about are in his null section, and he only mentions 2 of 5 town reads.


I don't like that list one bit, it's safe and hedgey AF

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm Strawhenge is my top civilian read.

If FDR were here he'd slap you

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:12 pm Thanks. I got nothing for that.

I tried

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:13 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 06, 2021 2:08 pm Strawhenge is my top civilian read.

If FDR were here he'd slap you

I'll let Strawhenge answer your gripes before I say anything else.