The Syndicate

DFaraday wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm a civ and most certainly not self-voting. Snow Dog is civ. FZ is civ. BR is civ. So that narrows it down to you and DF.

Who would you rather I voted for?

You're acting as if everyone except LC and I have been confirmed civ, which is not true. You were indeed killed by the Lemons, but the baddies are playing a risky game, it seems. It's not outside the realm of possibility that you are, in fact, a Lemon.

And I still haven't seen anyone state why FZ is likely civ. She's been skating by pretty unexamined for most of the game.

What part of their game is risky?

FZ replaced Boogs, who was inactive for a period of time, so she is definitely not Chick. Also she has struck me as civ based on interactions and vote patterns.

DFaraday wrote:Voting MM because I know I'm civ, and there's still a chance he's not.

I thought you wanted to throw suspicion on FZ. Why vote me?

Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Voting MM because I know I'm civ, and there's still a chance he's not.

I thought you wanted to throw suspicion on FZ. Why vote me?

Because I don't want to die and you're the only other viable lynch candidate. Also I do think you might be bad.

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

You're taking a lot of things for granted if you believe it.

1) Tink said fingers was good. She was wrong about that.

2) Assuming Tink tracked me, there is no possible way to determine who Miles is, up until last night (when she died). Miles does not appear to have a night action, so would not have visited anyone until the kill last night.

3) That FZ's case is actually true. You said so yourself the you think it is a risky strategy, and that you would not do it.

So not only do you think it suddenly could have happened, but you are ignoring other pieces of evidence that discount Tink's suspicion. I know that she is wrong. I cannot explain entirely why she is wrong, but from my knowledge, I know that her statement is a guess, because there is no other logical reasoning for it.

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

Tink also said Splints was good. I'm keeping it in mind, but in my opinion, DF is the sure baddie, and then even though I have reasons to think MM might be bad, I feel DF is the safer bet.
Why did LC vote MM?

Can anyone answer what happens tonight if we lynch Chicks today?

Oh, and Tink thought that LC was Professor Z, and that is false. Since the seemer is still alive, fingerZ is definitely Prof Z.

Linki: What do you mean? We would still have a night phase right?

And another question, maybe for the host:
If we lynch Miles, and he's the last lemon, how can he appear to be someone else when we're supposed to learn that the lemons have been eliminated?

@linki: I mean would there be a NK?

Sorry for all the questions, but what does it mean to track? Does it the person chooses a player and learns who he visited and who visited him?

FZ. wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

Tink also said Splints was good. I'm keeping it in mind, but in my opinion, DF is the sure baddie, and then even though I have reasons to think MM might be bad, I feel DF is the safer bet.
Why did LC vote MM?

I'd bet that DF and LC are the last two baddies, one being Miles and one being Chick. I can't think of another good reason for LC to pick up a weak case on me rather than go with a stronger case on DF.

Linki: Oh, I see. No idea.

Linki 2: My experience with tracking is that you track a player, and you learn who that player visited, but not who visited them.

Okay, thanks.
I'm leaning on agreeing with you, and there's a chance LC is the last baddie. I want to know what happens if we kill Chicks, because if there will be no kill tonight, it would be wise to decide who we think he is

I always leaned on LC being Chicks.

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Snow Dog wrote:I always leaned on LC being Chicks.

I'm not Chick and I'm not the last baddie. That much should be proven soon enough.

Long Con wrote: I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow.

Unless, of course, you're Chick.

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Chicks doesn't have to be one of the two candidates for a lynch to break the tie, so we gain nothing by creating a tie. It doesn't matter to us which baddie is who, it matters that we get all of them.

I think DF is bad, and I'm finding myself not sure between you and MM. If MM is in fact the civ and you the baddie, then by forcing the tie, we get a civ dead, and that is something I don't want.
If you can prove that you're a civ and MM is not, then by all means. Until then, I'd rather take out the person I'm most sure is bad

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I always leaned on LC being Chicks.

I'm not Chick and I'm not the last baddie. That much should be proven soon enough.

How soon? and how will it happen?

The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?

If he is, he would certainly pick the civvie over the baddie to take the lynch. Otherwise, he might not have much of a chance to win.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:The only player who would want a tie at this point is Chick Hicks. A tie does not benefit anyone else.

And let's not forget that if DF is Miles, he will not flip as such. He might even flip as Chick.

But since LC does not even have votes, if he's Chicks, why would he care who gets lynched?

If he is, he would certainly pick the civvie over the baddie to take the lynch. Otherwise, he might not have much of a chance to win.

True. I just hope BR doesn't come in and vote for you...

BR already voted.

Votes DF

FZ. wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Tink says MM is Axelrod. Axelrod kills Tink. Maybe your theory is right FZ. If Tink was Briti sh Intelligence as I suspected, then she's know posssibly.

Can we ignore this and vote DF?

I think it's better to make it a tie between MetalMarsh and DFaraday, actually. As someone said, Tink has been wrong before. If we make it a tie, then whichever one of them is Chick would force the tie the other way, and we can be sure who Chick is and lynch that person tomorrow. I think the Seemer's ability is trumped by the total elimination of a team, so it shouldn't be a problem to know for sure that Chick's tiebreaker killed Miles.

Chicks doesn't have to be one of the two candidates for a lynch to break the tie, so we gain nothing by creating a tie. It doesn't matter to us which baddie is who, it matters that we get all of them.

I think DF is bad, and I'm finding myself not sure between you and MM. If MM is in fact the civ and you the baddie, then by forcing the tie, we get a civ dead, and that is something I don't want.
If you can prove that you're a civ and MM is not, then by all means. Until then, I'd rather take out the person I'm most sure is bad

I guess you're right. I can't prove it without infodumping, but I think if we stay the course, then we can bet on a Civvie win. I'll change my vote to DFaraday in case of any shenanigans.

Epignosis wrote:The Host post will be a tad late this evening. Merry Christmas!

Merry Christmas to you too.

Epignosis wrote:The Host post will be a tad late this evening. Merry Christmas!

This is total redacted!

Who sent Tink to the garage?

Poll ended at Wed Dec 24, 2014 8:22 pm

Black Rock
0
No votes

DFaraday
5
Metalmarsh89 (2), Black Rock (4), FZ. (6), Snow Dog (9), Long Con (10)
45%

FZ.
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

MetalMarsh89
1
DFaraday (7)
9%

Snow Dog
0
No votes

Kyle Busch #18 (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
Epignosis (1), Roxy (3), Elohcin (5), S~V~S (8), fingersplints (11)
45%


Total votes : 11

“Looks like Chick’s reign of bumpin’ is over, Bob.”

“Right you are Darrell. It reminds me of the time he won the Piston Cup and got booed off the stage!”

“Wasn’t that something else? And after a three-way-tie!”

“Just goes to show how far sportsmanship can take you. And during a heated race like this one, even the pit crew can feel the heat. As a matter of fact, we saw one of them hurling a wrench in anger and knocking over some other important tools.”

“That pit was a wreck!”

“It sure was. Who was it that had a tantrum? Can we get the replay?”

RIP DF. And good game.

So now we wait.

Well played DF.

Sweet.
I agree with those above me. Well played DF

Merry Christmas everyone!

Who ran out of coolant?

You may select 1 option

Black Rock
0
No votes

FZ.
0
No votes

Long Con
0
No votes

MetalMarsh89
1
Metalmarsh89 (3)
20%

Snow Dog
1
Snow Dog (5)
20%

Bobby Knight Rider (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
3
Elohcin (1), Epignosis (2), S~V~S (4)
60%


Total votes : 5

Question to the host:

Is it possible to make this "day" a 48 hour day? Because I won't be here until tomorrow and I'd hate to just vote and leave, with no discussion.

That suits me.

I third that notion. I won't have much time either.

For now I'm voting LC.

Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

FZ. wrote:Question to the host:

Is it possible to make this "day" a 48 hour day? Because I won't be here until tomorrow and I'd hate to just vote and leave, with no discussion.

Of course it's possible.

Long Con wrote:Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

So you go along with the idea that the Lemons killed one of there own. And their leader to boot! Would anyone kill their own seemer with the slight chance they'd be rezzed? It's possible sure but is it likely?
Was anyone suggesting BWT be rezzed? I'll check if I get the time. Or if for example I see Splints suggesting BWT was civ. Then I may believe it.

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

So you go along with the idea that the Lemons killed one of there own. And their leader to boot! Would anyone kill their own seemer with the slight chance they'd be rezzed? It's possible sure but is it likely?
Was anyone suggesting BWT be rezzed? I'll check if I get the time. Or if for example I see Splints suggesting BWT was civ. Then I may believe it.

Seems like the only possibility left. Plus, I don't see why Tink would be so sure of MM being Miles Axelrod if it was not true.

Long Con wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Long Con wrote:Don't really need much time to take out the last baddie, *votes MM*

So you go along with the idea that the Lemons killed one of there own. And their leader to boot! Would anyone kill their own seemer with the slight chance they'd be rezzed? It's possible sure but is it likely?
Was anyone suggesting BWT be rezzed? I'll check if I get the time. Or if for example I see Splints suggesting BWT was civ. Then I may believe it.

Seems like the only possibility left. Plus, I don't see why Tink would be so sure of MM being Miles Axelrod if it was not true.

Well I just checked and nobody said they thought he was civ after he died. Nobody even hinted he should be rezzed. So I'm not convinced.

Worryingly that leaves only two possibilities. You or FZ. Assuming no recruits.

It's got to be LC. I'm voting.

Holidays always kill threads.

Black Rock wrote:Holidays always kill threads.

As much as my theory about the baddies killing their own was a lovely one , it's not likely.
Assuming that the tie when MR was lynched was between two baddies, Splints had no choice but to vote for MR. If she hadn't voted for any of them, it would have made her look bad, if she voted for LC, and he would appear as a civ, she would look bad, so she went with the vote that would make both her and LC look good.

The two things I still don't get are:
1. Why didn't MR vote for DF at that time, but it paid off, so I guess it was smart.
2. Why didn't the baddies kill the established civvies. This is what worries me, because it makes no sense to narrow down the options for the civvies. I really really hope there wasn't any recruitment involved.

So I'm voting LC

And why did LC vote for Bass? He was going to be lynched so why put that final not needed vote on him.

Unless of course he thought Bass may have been Chick.

Whtaever. I am voting LC also. It's a question of odds and the best odds imo are on LC.