The Syndicate

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:50 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2019 4:41 pm fayt went to dom for a few seconds so nova could have changed but then went back lol

sorry mobile is hard for me to follow. I thought the plan was to tie it, then i noticed late that

Day 4

Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

Well certain things make me still believe very strongly that it's Dragomir. LC was the softvoter so that would mean it was an actual tie yesterday. Obviously Drago could be town as that would have made it result in the Dom lynch but other factors still make me think Drago bad. However it could also be Fayt and my worldview would still make nearly as much sense, I just feel like I have more reasons to townread her from the last couple phases. Drago, prove me wrong or make a convincing case for Fayt or someone else, or die.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:40 pm Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

Reason Nova is out of the running?

Reason I'm out of the running?

You know I'm town and I know that you know it because you are bad.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:40 pm Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

haha this is hilarious. We both helped you survive yesterday ans now you find us scum? Are we playing the same game?

It's just Drago. It really makes the most sense the way things have gone down here.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:27 pm Macdougall is the Pinscher

do we have an IC?

is midnight my head can't think properly

I will play in 8-10 hours

Let's try this again. I'll reread a bit and try to reassess some stuff, game feels weird.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:45 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:27 pm Macdougall is the Pinscher

do we have an IC?

It's the Pinscher role when only 6 players are left, see opening post.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:45 pm It's just Drago. It really makes the most sense the way things have gone down here.

I get what you say.

But i have a question, why wanted Nova to switch with Fayt, at eod, the wagons. Where is the sense?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:48 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:45 pm It's just Drago. It really makes the most sense the way things have gone down here.

I get what you say.

But i have a question, why wanted Nova to switch with Fayt, at eod, the wagons. Where is the sense?

The concern was that if dom had been the pitbull nova's vote wouldn't have counted on him since he also voted there the previous day, read how the pit bull works (dom wasn't the pit bull so this doesn't end up mattering but it was just considered as an extra precaution to ensure the tie)

Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:44 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:40 pm Michelle or Fayt. Hmm.

haha this is hilarious. We both helped you survive yesterday ans now you find us scum? Are we playing the same game?

You know who else helped me survive? Nova and Nutella. You know who's left in the game? Mac, Nutella, you, Fayt, Nova. You know who's confirmed town? Mac? Who the fuck am I supposed to suspect? Myself? Don't bitch about something irrelevant.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:43 pm You know I'm town and I know that you know it because you are bad.

Or maybe my reads are good? Why should I suspect you? It's crunch time and you want me to include my town reads in a PoE? That makes no fucking sense.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

It's freaking Michelle.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 4:42 pm Well certain things make me still believe very strongly that it's Dragomir. LC was the softvoter so that would mean it was an actual tie yesterday. Obviously Drago could be town as that would have made it result in the Dom lynch but other factors still make me think Drago bad. However it could also be Fayt and my worldview would still make nearly as much sense, I just feel like I have more reasons to townread her from the last couple phases. Drago, prove me wrong or make a convincing case for Fayt or someone else, or die.

Didn't LC leave his vote on me?

I'm pretty sure he did. And based on how he came up with the idea to tie shit up, it's probable that he activated his soft vote, meaning that the true vote count yesterday was 4 to 3, Dom leading, MEANING that I AM FUCKING TOWN.

Can we lynch Michelle now?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

Idk what you need to reassess on me bro? What does your gut say? Town or scum?

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:40 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

I do prefer a Michelle lynch over you but what are your feelings on Nova and Nutella if we're wrong again.

I can't exactly feel for a drago lynch just cause of the LC kill. I don't think as the last cat Drago would implicate himself.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:39 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

Idk what you need to reassess on me bro? What does your gut say? Town or scum?

It says Town, but that's not good enough. It also ain't just about you.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:38 pm I'm pretty sure he did. And based on how he came up with the idea to tie shit up, it's probable that he activated his soft vote, meaning that the true vote count yesterday was 4 to 3, Dom leading, MEANING that I AM FUCKING TOWN.

Can we lynch Michelle now?

It could have been 4v4, and you won the tie. He def activated his soft vote though since he acknowledged the plan, and seeing the previous 3 lynches, only 1 could have been another activation from him.

I think you're misunderstanding the soft vote. Maybe deliberately misunderstanding eh?
His vote was on you. If you are bad it was a true tie. If not it was 4 to 3. Whatever. You're still bad

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:35 pm It's freaking Michelle.

Why?

why would it be michelle tho

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:39 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:06 pm Nova, do you have reason to doubt Drago is the cat?

I'm not sure right now. Most of my thoughts there were linked to my Dom suspicion and Drago being the one Dom was casing, as well as my experience with him. There are a lot of flashes of his civ self in how he's behaving and being stubborn. I'm supposed to reread and reassess some stuff in a bit so I'll see how I feel especially with the whole "that's what he wants you to think" perspective.

Idk what you need to reassess on me bro? What does your gut say? Town or scum?

Ick

"Nah man don't analyze shit just trust your first instinct lol"

That's manipulative, opportunistic, bad defense

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:41 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:40 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:13 pm The LC kill was weird for me.. I'm trying to think if LC suspected anyone other than Drago. But I feel if Drago was the last cat, he would try again to lynch LC no?

Or did he realize no one was going for LC so he shot him?

Can you just vote for Michelle?

I do prefer a Michelle lynch over you but what are your feelings on Nova and Nutella if we're wrong again.

If it's not Michelle then it's you. I really can't imagine it being Nova and Nutella just nah.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:46 pm That's manipulative, opportunistic, bad defense

You think I give a damn?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:44 pm I think you're misunderstanding the soft vote. Maybe deliberately misunderstanding eh?
His vote was on you. If you are bad it was a true tie. If not it was 4 to 3. Whatever. You're still bad

It was fucking 4 to 3.

What cleared Nova and Nutella for you?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:35 pm It's freaking Michelle.

Why?

I've been having a bad feeling about Michelle the entire game. That post of hers addressing my suspicions of both her and Fayt sealed it for me. Don't ask why. It just did.

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:49 pm What cleared Nova and Nutella for you?

Stop asking me questions. Dang. I can't explain them to you. It just how it is. Take it or leave it.

Mmmmmmmmmmm interesting. Shit I actually gotta think about this

I got a fat, juicy case on Michelle coming up. Hold right on.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:50 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 22, 2019 5:49 pm What cleared Nova and Nutella for you?

Stop asking me questions. Dang. I can't explain them to you. It just how it is. Take it or leave it.

I'm just really worried if we mislynched again. I feel like if it's not michelle then we have a deep wolf.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

So here is why Michelle is bad.

1. Her reads and "pushes" have been her just piggybacking off of others. She was just a supporting role, never a force in the decision of a wagon being created and all of her scum reads only arrived after others have suspected the said player. Thus the supporting role she has been. The only I guess original, if that, was the Fayt vote. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 70#p556470 this was based on pure bullshit. Just pure bs. I can't count this. It's still a supporting role push cause it only came after LC taked about Fayt being a potential cat.

2. She tries to cover up her siding with Rej as pocketing when there was no such thing. Rej only mentioned her like twice and that was to ask for thoughts. The only thing else was that gth "ok" read he gave to her and multiple other players. You cannot tell me you'd be pocketed cause of this. Here, read. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 85#p554985 http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 63#p555063 I don't buy it. Especially the last one, no reads of her own, just sides with Rej cause she town reads him. Shit, if that doesn't sound like 2 scum buddies trying to help each other, I don't know what does.

3. Her progression of reads on me is asinine. I know this sounds like omgus. I don't care. The progression was scummy. So I will use it against her. She went from a hard town read on me http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 21#p556021 to scum reading me. Yes, I know that reads can change but for her, there was just no progression in it. It was sudden. This also supports the supporting role theory I have on her as she's just been supporting the notion of me being scum. If half the players in this game didn't sus me last DP, she wouldn't either. I guarantee it.

Now, this is my case. Make of it what you will.

Deadass, Fayt has been doing the same thing as Michelle with the supporting role stuff. But my feeling towards Michelle is stronger.