The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

LoRab wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:If TH + Lorab get DF lynched, and he flips civ, they're gonna be my top two suspects for tomorrow.

Just putting that out there.

I voted the player I suspected most. I stand behind my vote. I don't have a baddie vibe from Splints, so I didn't vote there, although she seems to have the clear majority.

Why would disagreeingon suspicion make someone your top suspect?

If somebody helps to lynch a civilian for what seems to me like weak reasoning, I see that as cause to suspect them.

So if Splints flips civ, will you suspect everyone who voted for her?

insertnamehere wrote:is it too late to declare bankruptcy?

insertnamehere wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

You're bad.

insertnamehere wrote:Timmer, I've come around on, and began to view as genuine, although I'd like to see some more non-INH opinions.

insertnamehere wrote:Because I'm a NO U'ing scumlord, I've decided to vote for timmer.

timmer wrote: and I don't see a case on df

Turnip Head wrote:We're fucked.

Turnip Head wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Timmer, I've come around on, and began to view as genuine, although I'd like to see some more non-INH opinions.

insertnamehere wrote:Because I'm a NO U'ing scumlord, I've decided to vote for timmer.

Explain yo self.

Epignosis wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I think they are pretty good points, and would be interested in hearing DF's response.

fingersplints wrote:I'm liking the points against Timmer. I'm not feeling like this is his civvie game, but I'm hoping it isn't that he is just busy. I find he searches for baddies more actively then this as a civvie. Something feels off.

fingersplints wrote:Epi, I think you have a point about Matt. I didn't like Matt's day 0 interactions, but I have a hard time articulating my thoughts without it seeming a bit "no u"ish.

I'm sad rabbit died without me getting a chance to vote him. I'd consider voting for Matt, but for the time being I'm going to vote leetic for now. I haven't played any Mafia this year, and I'm scared of getting modkilled for missing votes.

I'm noticing a trend here.

Regarding that last post, you were more concerned with how you would look rather than articulating your thoughts. Why?

Epignosis wrote:I don't see how anyone gets "I'm literally never concerned with 'how I look' when posting" from "I didn't like Matt's day 0 interactions, but I have a hard time articulating my thoughts without it seeming a bit 'no u"ish.'"

Scotty wrote:So I'll go ahead and explain my splints vote since I did a piss-poor job of explaining it.

TH I am not so sure I was reading DFaraday as bad. I can't quite place it but his responses have not been as...measured? I guess? As when I called him out as bad in Arkham.
Splints jumped right on your case of DF and started citing things he said via bwt lynch. It felt like she was using him as a scapegoat. And since I didn't (and still don't really) suspect DF as much as others, I figured splints was the perp.

insertnamehere wrote:Then he says that he believes DF and FS are both baddie teammates, do you still believe that DF is bad, Epignosis?

INH (I dunno, feel kinda good)

DrumBeats (Bad)
Enrique (Bad)
DFaraday (Bad)
Scotty (Bad)
Turnip Head (Bad)

insertnamehere wrote:I like how you didn't exclude my "dunno" for myself

insertnamehere wrote:I don't like how TH and DB are both falling back to their respective pet cases with DF and Scotty, both of whom I actually trust more than I do TH and DB.

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand now there's a weak-ass splints bandwagon. great.

insertnamehere wrote:If TH + Lorab get DF lynched, and he flips civ, they're gonna be my top two suspects for tomorrow.

Just putting that out there.

insertnamehere wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm not silenced, many apologies. I'm failing at multitasking. I voted and went to post, but at the same time I was trying to rush into the Syndicate Sim, which I am exceedingly late to, and I had some computer glitch issues at the same time which shut all my windows, so I forgot to post. Frankly I have no good reason for voting Splints. I have no good reason for anything, nor any great desire for anything. I simply tossed my vote out in an effort to not miss the vote.

we got seven minutes left in case you want to change it.

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Then he says that he believes DF and FS are both baddie teammates, do you still believe that DF is bad, Epignosis?

Yep.

Regarding fingersplints:

INH (I dunno, feel kinda good)

DrumBeats (Bad)
Enrique (Bad)
DFaraday (Bad)
Scotty (Bad)
Turnip Head (Bad)

That's five people who called fingersplints bad. Did you voice any complaint then?

No, because I was neutral on FS's alignment, and wasn't really leaning one way or the other, wasn't it obvious? Plus those were GTH reads, which I also consider dumb and pointless, so I try not to let them influence my analysis, m'kay?

insertnamehere wrote:I like how you didn't exclude my "dunno" for myself

Nope.

What's your point here? I don't think GTH reads mean jack squat, so what?

What about shortly after?

insertnamehere wrote:I don't like how TH and DB are both falling back to their respective pet cases with DF and Scotty, both of whom I actually trust more than I do TH and DB.

Nope.

Are you Chuck Testa? No? Then could you not say 'Nope' to random posts without providing any context as to what you mean?

You didn't raise an objection to the fingersplints lynch until it was imminent.

Because I wasn't sure what the outcome would be, and I didn't have any opinion on fingersplints, you feel me? I'm sorry that my objection to a mislynch was too late for your tastes, but seeing as you started the mislynch, maybe you should hesitate before you throw any more stones inside your glass house, y'know?

insertnamehere wrote:aaaand now there's a weak-ass splints bandwagon. great.

Five people called fingersplints bad, and you didn't criticize or scrutinize that fact until after the votes are cast.

That was in GTH reads, which I don't pay attention to, okay? Plus I objected to the FS lynch and thought it was too weak, I'm sorry that you felt those objections were too late to stop you from lynching a civilian, but shouldn't you have known better?

Over an hour before that, you defended DF using intimidation:

not intimidation, just me saying that I thought a certain lynch train was suspicious, you dig?

insertnamehere wrote:If TH + Lorab get DF lynched, and he flips civ, they're gonna be my top two suspects for tomorrow.

Just putting that out there.

You didn't lift a finger in her defense until it was too late.

Do you want me to copy & paste what I said earlier? I'm sorry that you felt those objections were too late to stop you from lynching a civilian, but shouldn't you have known better?

Your "effort" is almost comical:

I'm sorry that you felt those objections were too late to stop you from lynching a civilian, but shouldn't you have known better? Your effort to lynch a baddie could also be considered comical, right?

insertnamehere wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I'm not silenced, many apologies. I'm failing at multitasking. I voted and went to post, but at the same time I was trying to rush into the Syndicate Sim, which I am exceedingly late to, and I had some computer glitch issues at the same time which shut all my windows, so I forgot to post. Frankly I have no good reason for voting Splints. I have no good reason for anything, nor any great desire for anything. I simply tossed my vote out in an effort to not miss the vote.

we got seven minutes left in case you want to change it.

No, you were really okay with fingersplints getting lynched.

Do you have any actual basis for this? Because I don't see it, maybe you forgot to include it? Maybe instead of trying to blame people who didn't vote for FS for her lynch, maybe you should try and defend yourself?

You were not okay with DFaraday getting lynched.

No, I was not, and I am not, becuase I don't think he's scum, you get it?

insertnamehere wrote:wow, a seemingly random lynch with more than half of the players voting for one person, most of which saying in their posts "I just don't see a better option, so I guess out of the people who have votes, I'll go with FS," DIDN'T produce a dead baddie.

Color me shocked and awed.

Scotty (Good)
Enrique (Good)
DrumBeats (Good)
DFaraday (Good) - self

Turnip Head (Bad)

INH (I dunno)

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Epignosis wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

You called INH good and fingersplints bad. Any reasoning behind that?

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Talk to me about today's lynch.

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Talk to me about today's lynch.

I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.

Epignosis wrote:INH- comma splicing his way through the question curse.

I have to get through it somehow, y'know?

You were feebly trying to take the moral high ground when fingersplints got lynched. Yet you say you were "neutral" on her, and that you didn't know what the outcome would be?

I was neutral on FS, but I thought that the bandwagon on her was sudden, and without good cause, and therefore I found it suspicious, do you understand? I allowed the chance that I was wrong completely, in the case that FS was bad, and her accusers were genuine, but every weak post made by her accusers felt more and more fake to me, ya dig?

Shaw.

Did you forget the "P?"

insertnamehere wrote:wow, a seemingly random lynch with more than half of the players voting for one person, most of which saying in their posts "I just don't see a better option, so I guess out of the people who have votes, I'll go with FS," DIDN'T produce a dead baddie.

Color me shocked and awed.

Even though five people called her bad, you call her lynch seemingly random. I get you don't care about "gun to head," and neither do I, but the fact remains that five people called her bad, so it wasn't a random lynch.

You correctly identified that I ignored the GTH reads completely, but now you suspect me for not taking them into account? Also, did the idea that I found the reasons behind people's suspicion about her random and weak ever pop into your head? Oh wait, I forgot that you're in full tunnel-vision, I accept no responsibility for anything mode, right?

I believe you knew she was good, and that you wanted her lynched. You put nothing more than a token effort to stop her lynch, and that consisted of telling spacedaisy she had seven minutes to change her vote- as though that would have done anything. You didn't make an effort to get anybody else lynched instead. You didn't try to convince anyone to not vote fingersplints. So your rant is hollow, and I'm looking right through it.

Epignosis wrote:What INH said about DFaraday:

Scotty (Good)
Enrique (Good)
DrumBeats (Good)
DFaraday (Good) - self

Turnip Head (Bad)

INH (I dunno)

No opinion then, but when the pressure came against DFaraday, INH suddenly had one.

insertnamehere wrote:So what we have here is the driving force and initial vote behind a civilian lynch trying to shift the blame and suspicion from himself to someone who (contrary to what he claims) genuinely tried to stop it, does everyone see this? His only two points are: He was too late to stop me from lynching a civilian, and therefore it's his fault, and he thinks DF isn't bad, so, therefore they must be in cahoots, did I get it all right? This is an absolutely barmy case, alright?

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Talk to me about today's lynch.

I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.

DrumBeats wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Talk to me about today's lynch.

I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.

You think all of the baddies are in the inactive camp?

I'm also in agreement with Scotty that at lease one mafia is dead, but I think it is between Eloh, Leetic, and SVS. I'm hypothesizing that the Scranton Strangler could have been involved, I doubt he was in the game that long without strangling somebody, civ or mafia.

insertnamehere wrote:So what we have here is the driving force and initial vote behind a civilian lynch trying to shift the blame and suspicion from himself to someone who (contrary to what he claims) genuinely tried to stop it, does everyone see this? His only two points are: He was too late to stop me from lynching a civilian, and therefore it's his fault, and he thinks DF isn't bad, so, therefore they must be in cahoots, did I get it all right? This is an absolutely barmy case, alright?

Epignosis wrote:

DrumBeats wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Epi, correct me if I'm wrong, but your only case on me seemed to be the notion that Splints and I were baddie teammates. Now that's been disproved, do you have anything for me to work with beyond the notion that INH and I are baddie teammates?

Talk to me about today's lynch.

I suspect all 4 baddies are still alive, so I'm going to try to figure out what combinations would make sense later today. Off the top of my head, I'd guess it's a mix of Daisy, Espers, Timmer, Bea, and Lorab. But that's without any actual analysis, I'll get to that in a bit.

You think all of the baddies are in the inactive camp?

I'm also in agreement with Scotty that at lease one mafia is dead, but I think it is between Eloh, Leetic, and SVS. I'm hypothesizing that the Scranton Strangler could have been involved, I doubt he was in the game that long without strangling somebody, civ or mafia.

You don't think 3J could have been bad?

DrumBeats wrote:Looking at INH, the timing of the FS defense is a bit odd, I agree. Because INH wasn't really convinced until just before FS was set to be lynched.

And looking back on the INH/Epi interaction - the "Nope"s seem to be about statements that are just false INH. You said I counted your self dunno, but I didn't. Just my guess on it.

Regarding Epi though, him bringing up the GTH reads makes me wonder. He has only commented on them in his case against INH. Yet, iirc, Epi was the first one to bring focus to Fingersplints yesterday. It makes me wonder if Epi brought suspicion on FS due to our GTH reads, since FS was the only one that seemed to be scumread across the board.