The Syndicate

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else

See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".



It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach

@Porscha Do you have any thoughts on MissC and what she's been posting?

Ngl I'm starting to wonder if MissC is a miss from their posting.
Am I crazy for thinking they might be a miss here?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else

See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".



It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach

i think that you specifically are either tunneled or a wolf. CR's push i don't like for different reasons. i think that you are reading things from me seeking things that confirm that i'm wolf and are disregarding explanations or other evidence

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:26 pm Ngl I'm starting to wonder if MissC is a miss from their posting.
Am I crazy for thinking they might be a miss here?

No. They could be a miss, I don't know. IMO they have the highest likelihood of being partnered w/ Wilgy, it's not a red check.

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:23 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:57 pm i think reading everything i've posted and just being like "huh but your vote!" is just a bad look at the situation and again, not actually evaluating me just looking for ANYTHING you can push on and ignoring everything else

See, here's the thing: we have been evaluating you. Just because player's find you scummy doesn't mean they haven't, and frankly that just seems to be your defense: "if you find me scummy, then all you're doing is tunneling".



It's like you find no reason whatsoever to scum read you, like you think you're beyond reproach

i think that you specifically are either tunneled or a wolf. CR's push i don't like for different reasons. i think that you are reading things from me seeking things that confirm that i'm wolf and are disregarding explanations or other evidence

I read your explanations, I just don't trust them.



If you're unable to see why I and others think you're scum, then I don't know what to tell you.

Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

i think that CR's day today has been the worst part of his game

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:37 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.

i find your push very frustrating, i'm not mad that you have me in your poe lol

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:38 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:37 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:34 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:33 pm Do you feel CR is pushing you from a town or a wolf perspective?

i find it somewhat scummy! but i think that overall you're more likely the last wolf. my current poe would be you then CR, but i intend to keep evaluating porscha (and also gav i guess i just don't think i vote gav) and i think i'm more likely to find CR town than you

Sounds like you've already made your mind up. I hope you appreciate the irony, given how upset you've been getting this RD over what you say is the same thing happening to you.

i find your push very frustrating, i'm not mad that you have me in your poe lol

It's been known to happen

If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

That's entirely possible.
We've been flipping towns after Wilgy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

entirely possible. the reason i say i'm more likely to find CR town than you is that i think you're likely somewhere in my 2 person poe no matter what and that if we kill you today and you flip town and f3 is me/CR/porscha then they both have the excuse that they bussed wilgy in some way at some point, and that's porscha's strongest argument so i look at her with much fresher eyes and evaluate her very carefully.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

That's entirely possible.
We've been flipping towns after Wilgy.

Well, to be fair we've flipped town, singular, since Wilgy.



This is only D3

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:42 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

That's entirely possible.
We've been flipping towns after Wilgy.

Well, to be fair we've flipped town, singular, since Wilgy.



This is only D3

Why yes, I'm going to be so tilted if we don't end the game today.

i feel like everyone in this game since wilgy's flip has just been like "well there's no way the wolves would BUS in mountainous mafia!" and giving people like porscha locktown reads and that's exactly why people bus to begin with, SPECIFICALLY in mountainous where there isn't a PR to fuck them over in any way. if porscha is a wolf the wolves bussed extremely, extremely hard and aggressively but that's never been a world i completely dicounted. i found d3 porscha to have town demeanor but i also can easily see her being the one to kill MightyQ and then she hasn't been here doing much solving today while everyone else has been fighting with each other. if i am in a f3 with her i absolutely will give her long consideration

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:42 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:41 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:40 pm If this game goes to a F3, what are the odds it's Porscha?

That's entirely possible.
We've been flipping towns after Wilgy.

Well, to be fair we've flipped town, singular, since Wilgy.



This is only D3

it's D4 the thread title just didn't get updated

but yes correct that we've only flipped one player since wilgy

as of D3 my PoE felt like it had to be falcon/pao/MightyQ in some order because with vote logic and everything everyone else had better reasons to not be paired with wilgy but that always felt very dirty, because as i've expressed bussing exists and basically is the entire strength of a mafia team in mountainous games. it felt bad to just push the players who were townreading or didn't vote wilgy and call it a day, an like a generally losing strategy. the fact that MightyQ died (god bless, i would have never let this game end without flipping them) gives us (or, specifically me fmpov) a chance to evaluate the potential bussers and i can absolutely see falcon flipping town and really really want a chance to go to f3 and actually evaluate the players that have gotten free passes for days

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

Hmm ngl, Porscha hasn't been doing a whole lot after Wilgy died.

and like. i don't expect it to weigh too hard on anyone's votes but again i'm such a better wolf player than just townreading my partner and then dipping from the thread without interacting with them. i'm not mad that i may get killed for interactions with wilgy but i have far better scum fundamentals than that in a mountainous game lmao

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.

MightyQ is an NK I could see from them as well

Leave the 4 of us to bicker while they sit back

idk why i'm lamenting not having gotten a chance to reread porscha when like, i have over an hour before eod lmao i'll give it a shot now

If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?


Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:52 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?


Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?

That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:52 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?


Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?

That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.

Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly

Alright, Imma channel JJJ here and choose to trust those who've actually been posting and playing the game this RD

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:58 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:52 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?


Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?

That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.

Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly

It's a thought I've been having a while now.

i'm here and reading and evaluating porscha so don't think much of where my vote currently is i'm deciding what to do with it

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:09 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.

i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation

You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?

i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment

You don’t agree that I think it could have been a W/W CW?

Pretty sure I mentioned before that the CW doesn’t clear CRichard and neither does Por’s.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:49 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm Hmm ngl, Porscha hasn't been doing a whole lot after Wilgy died.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:58 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:52 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:51 pm If Porscha is cleared town, then why does MightyQ die over Gav?

Cuz Gav & I haven't been seeing eye to eye?


Porscha is only thought to be cleared town due to being the CW to Wilgy, no?

That's the thing, Porscha being wolf to their partner would explain their sparse activity.
Let the town go for players such as MissC and Paopan and sit back, sip champagne and laugh.

Jesus fuck, it kinda freaks me out when you agree with me so quickly

Pocket Attempt Paranoia Alert.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm Pretty sure I mentioned before that the CW doesn’t clear CRichard and neither does Por’s.

You have good timing.
The fact that Porscha didn't die despite being the counter wagon to Wilgy feels like it's for a reason and if I'm right, this should be it.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:09 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:08 pm

Miss Carousel wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 7:06 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Tue Dec 14, 2021 11:09 pm BTW I was the counter wagon to Wilgy, so unless you think it was w/w wagons D1 then I'm cleared from being Wilgy's partner.

i still think the logic of this post is extremely bad. there's absolutely nothing that says two wolves can't be in 3 wagons on d1. especially when a town wagon of the 3 got pushed over by a wolf switching their vote. like it smells vaguely of CR seeing people clear porscha for being the cw on d2 and being like "ah, i also was wagoned at the same time as wilgy at one point " when it's a very different situation

You realise Gav was also bringing up that I was the CW to Wilgy at one point right?

i think the way gav has looked at vote logic in this game has generally been questionable and i don't really agree with his assessment

You don’t agree that I think it could have been a W/W CW?

no i agree with that. i didn't like the way you had talked about the d1 votes wrt paopan (i still stand by this, i know paopan flipped town.)

i didn't specifically remember you making a point that CR and wilgy were competing wagons with each other as a point in CR's favor but CR said you had and i filed it with not liking your evaluation of paopan d1 as "i just disagree"

i said in the quoted post i don't think CR being a cw to wilgy d1 means anything. if that's your opinion then we agree

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:07 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:05 pm Pretty sure I mentioned before that the CW doesn’t clear CRichard and neither does Por’s.

You have good timing.
The fact that Porscha didn't die despite being the counter wagon to Wilgy feels like it's for a reason and if I'm right, this should be it.

Hmm.
Also gives me Day 1 Flashbacks of someone else.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:49 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.

Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:14 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:49 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.

Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?

If it's W/W wagons w/ Wilgy, and Wilgy wins that coin toss, then he looks pretty good. He pushed Pors pretty steady IIRC



Why did Wilgy push Pors?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:16 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 9:14 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:49 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:48 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Dec 16, 2021 8:46 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Spicy, do you think Porscha might be the last wolf?

I'm not really sure. I don't like players coasting, doing little and less to help town.

Alright, anything more substantial than that?
Question: Do we think that there's a world where WIlgy who is suspected from D1 gets Porscha to bus them and because they happened to be w/w wagons, that would lead us down the primrose path of town eating itself alive?

If it's W/W wagons w/ Wilgy, and Wilgy wins that coin toss, then he looks pretty good. He pushed Pors pretty steady IIRC



Why did Wilgy push Pors?

If they're w/w, then it would be distancing 100% of the time.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 12:02 pm

CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Dec 09, 2021 1:31 am Paopan can be town if Porscha/MightyQ have at least one wolf, as proposing to wagon them feels unaligned from where I'm at.

This makes sense.

Hmmmm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 08, 2021 4:39 pm Alrighty, caught up.

Sig vote at last second was absolutely disgusting and Gav has been TMI'ing me for the past 9 pages.

Mac's read is bad but I'm not sure if it's coming from a wolf mindset.

Town:
MC
LC
Falcon

PoE:
Porscha
Pao
MightyQ
Gav/Mac

There's this

Lets be honest, if Wilgy survived and Porscha flipped wolf would we ever catch them?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:42 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Dec 10, 2021 11:38 am Wilgy wagon looks pure, not so sure about Porscha.



That's why my vote is on Wilgy over Porscha

Care to fill me in on the Porscha wagon while I'm catching up?

And then there's this