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Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 pm**

Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.

Is he? I thought the roleblock wasn't 100% and had a chance of failing?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 pm Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?

i don't know. do you?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm**

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
Is he? I thought the roleblock wasn't 100% and had a chance of failing?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm**

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:59 pm anyway if you believe that lost wolf is in the punk gang and can't kill until they're sole scum then TSP is mechanically cleared given he was roleblocked night before last.
Is he? I thought the roleblock wasn't 100% and had a chance of failing?

This post is written by me, I sent it from the wrong account because it's 8 in the morning and I'm a fucking doofus. Don't comment any more about the fact that I'm using a different account because it pertains to a currently ongoing game.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:09 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 pm Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?
i don't know. do you?

What do you think the answer to that question is?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:09 pm**

and that's true, but apparently it's not based on probability. i think funnygurl's role suggests that she's a/the counter to it.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:10 pm**

i can just delete it alison if you want to restate what you did.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:10 pm**

Our roleblock has a chance of failing, but not because of a randomized dice roll, rather because of other mechanics in the game that might exist.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:12 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:09 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:08 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:06 pm Does a lone wolf know who its teammates are?
i don't know. do you?
What do you think the answer to that question is?

thinking about a marmot/nutella team, so i think you might.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:13 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:10 pm Our roleblock has a chance of failing, but not because of a randomized dice roll, rather because of other mechanics in the game that might exist.

I see.

The initial thought I leapt to was "mafia has a strongman ability", but if it's passive then TSP should have been able to attack past it, and if it's limited shot then TSP wouldn't have used it N1 since he was treated as super town at that point in time. The other possibility is that mafia has some degree of control over the roleblock as was theorized earlier.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:13 pm**

Don’t delete anything please, just leave it as is and everyone pretend nothing happened. Thanks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:13 pm**

I'm glad you found an assumption to fit your narrative.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:15 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:13 pm I'm glad you found an assumption to fit your narrative.

why did you change the target?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:13 pm Don’t delete anything please, just leave it as is and everyone pretend nothing happened. Thanks.

Yeah no worries. So sorry for the fuckup, I'm sleepy and make dumb mistakes.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm**

Quin why did you want to roleblock me yesterday?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm**

You already responded to my explanation.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:17 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.
ok so like

TL believes nutella is lost wolf and that lost wolf will only gain a kill when/if they become the last scum standing

so why does TL insist on RB nutella last night "in case she has a night kill" if he doesn't think shes the last scum standing (hasn't contested the idea of 4 scum, meaning 2 are currently alive)

[mention]Trustworthy Liberal[/mention] You said you were back on nutella being town last EOD. Why is she the lost wolf now? And what happened to your read on me?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:19 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm Quin why did you want to roleblock me yesterday?

Non-punk gang members last night included you, nutella and TSP. I think TSP is lock town. Hyena and TL's reasoning for choosing nutella over you wasn't particularly convincing and my current issue with TL sealed the deal.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm**

Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm You already responded to my explanation.

You switched targets to someone I believe to be mechanically cleared. I'm going to need you to elaborate.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.

I have no reason to believe we can't.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:25 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.
I have no reason to believe we can't.

Why not vote to roleblock TL then?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:26 pm**

I guess it doesn't matter if Hyena and TL were voting to block nutella anyway.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:27 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:25 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.
I have no reason to believe we can't.
Why not vote to roleblock TL then?

1. Because I think punk gang scum is LW and can't kill. I've got a 33% chance roleblocking an OG threader.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:27 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:17 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:57 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:07 pm Things really popped off in punk chat between me+Trustworthy plus Quin.
ok so like

TL believes nutella is lost wolf and that lost wolf will only gain a kill when/if they become the last scum standing

so why does TL insist on RB nutella last night "in case she has a night kill" if he doesn't think shes the last scum standing (hasn't contested the idea of 4 scum, meaning 2 are currently alive)
@Trustworthy Liberal You said you were back on nutella being town last EOD. Why is she the lost wolf now? And what happened to your read on me?

I have less trust in TL today. Last night in the punk chat, he told me this newfound suspicion was based primarily on the assumption that nutella was bluffing that she shot TL on Day 3 because the kill failed and he didn't die. I then pointed him to nutella's roleclaim on Day 1 (which he somehow missed), and that his idea about her being mafia was changed 100%.

It looks like he still distrusts nutella (as well as Alison) because they did everything they could to get votes off of Quin yesterday.

These beliefs don't hold a lot of water imo.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:27 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:26 pm I guess it doesn't matter if Hyena and TL were voting to block nutella anyway.

This too, but I'll admit it never crossed my mind to try get Hyena to vote TL.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:28 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.
I have no reason to believe we can't.

I asked our host, I cannot change the block to one of us.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:28 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:25 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:23 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm Can the punk gang roleblock punk gang members? TH's role card didn't specify.
I have no reason to believe we can't.
Why not vote to roleblock TL then?
1. Because I think punk gang scum is LW and can't kill. I've got a 33% chance roleblocking an OG threader.

Yeah, that's fair.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:30 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm You already responded to my explanation.
You switched targets to someone I believe to be mechanically cleared. I'm going to need you to elaborate.

There was a chance that mafia knew who we were blocking last night, thus having a different member of their team perform the kill. I opted to switch our roleblock because in that event, it was more likely to succeed.

What do you think about the fact that there was no nightkill?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:32 pm**

I believe we don't know enough about the Lost Wolf to lock TSP as town.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:32 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:30 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:16 pm You already responded to my explanation.
You switched targets to someone I believe to be mechanically cleared. I'm going to need you to elaborate.
There was a chance that mafia knew who we were blocking last night, thus having a different member of their team perform the kill. I opted to switch our roleblock because in that event, it was more likely to succeed.

What do you think about the fact that there was no nightkill?

Protector.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:32 pm**

How can nutella be mafia? Since when are mafia allowed to make multiple daykills lol

Yes I know abilities aren't indicative of alignment but I'm talking about balance here, unless one of you has an atom bomb in your back pocket there's no way that giving a mafia member at least two daykills isn't ludicrously scumsided, and I think nanook does try to balance his setups. (And there's no way that nutella rolls scum with a daykill and immediately shoots her own buddy who had no pressure on him at all.)

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:33 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:32 pm I believe we don't know enough about the Lost Wolf to lock TSP as town.

^This, and it sketches me out that Quin is insisting on it

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm**

I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm**

Alison, you have not commented on my receiving knowledge that I can kill you. Any reaction, or perhaps insight on why your role might be a target?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:35 pm**

Actually, could someone point me to the post where the Lost Wolf was first mentioned?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:35 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

This could make sense, yeah. I'm also just weirded out by Quin and trying to figure out if worlds with him make sense in some way as well. But I can def see this

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:35 pm Actually, could someone point me to the post where the Lost Wolf was first mentioned?

It was Sloonei's death, one sec

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm**

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 3:46 pm In the night! @Sloonei has died. They reveal to be:

Comprehensive Detective

Every night (starting N1), you will be presented with an OCCURRENCE. You can choose to EMBRACE it or REJECT it--after making your decision, an unknown effect will occur.

You are town, and you win when all the mafia are eliminated.
He was found clutching a scrap of paper that read “THERE IS OR WAS A LOST SCUM, THE GM WAS NOT CLEAR, BUT THERES AT LEAST ONE, OH GOD WHAT IS THAT AT THE DOOR AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.”

In addition, Mac and alison have returned to the thread and may post, vote, and be voted for.

In addition! With a thundering crash and bolts of super cool lightning, turnip head, quin, trustworthy liberal, and hyena have joined the thread and may now post, vote, and be voted for.

@Alison
@nutella
@MacDougall
@Funnygurl555
@Marmot
@TonyStarkPrime
@Turnip Head
@Quin
@Trustworthy Liberal
@Hyena

[mention]Marmot[/mention]

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm**

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm Alison, you have not commented on my receiving knowledge that I can kill you. Any reaction, or perhaps insight on why your role might be a target?

I don't know why my role might be a target. I theorized before that it targeted roles with the suffix "Man" and mine doesn't have "Man" in it. Not sure what else I can say about it other than "don't shoot me" :P

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm**

If we're talking about game balance, explain to me how a 5-mason team with a spokesperson keeping the other 4 safe from lynching/targetting from Day 1 can exist without there being at least one mafia and still be balanced.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:37 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm Alison, you have not commented on my receiving knowledge that I can kill you. Any reaction, or perhaps insight on why your role might be a target?
I don't know why my role might be a target. I theorized before that it targeted roles with the suffix "Man" and mine doesn't have "Man" in it. Not sure what else I can say about it other than "don't shoot me" :P

And "if you are thinking of shooting me, give me some time to drop legacy reads first" I guess, although I think it's never right to shoot me in this gamestate when we are fairly sure there's at least 1 wolf in the punks and the mafia kill didn't happen on a night TSP was supposedly roleblocked

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:39 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm If we're talking about game balance, explain to me how a 5-mason team with a spokesperson keeping the other 4 safe from lynching/targetting from Day 1 can exist without there being at least one mafia and still be balanced.

I don't think this is the case, I think there's a wolf in the punks. I specifically called out TL as being a likely candidate for wolf and was pushing him all yesterday.

I think nutella is town and I know I'm town so the worlds I'm looking at are TSP + 1 in punks (which would make Marmot almost certainly town for redirecting the target to him), and 2 in punks.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:39 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:34 pm I'm thinking that TL is the lost wolf and they wanted to block the one person they were sure wasn't their wolf buddy, only to get fucked by Marmot randomly redirecting the RB. I'm thinking TL/TSP and TSP got roleblocked is the world that makes the most sense.

And you think they don't know who their teammate is and they're "sure" that nutella was not the wolf buddy because of your hypothesis that nutella's role is too powerful to be a scum role?

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm**

who blocked me and why is quin still here

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm**

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:36 pm If we're talking about game balance, explain to me how a 5-mason team with a spokesperson keeping the other 4 safe from lynching/targetting from Day 1 can exist without there being at least one mafia and still be balanced.

It's not a 5-mason team if the members don't have the info of who their teammates are.

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm**

wait did I got shot

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:42 pm**

if I had only locked up quin this wouldn't have happened

Posted: **Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:42 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:41 pm who blocked me and why is quin still here

You're going down son.

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