The Syndicate

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:31 pm Dunya, since you're here, can you tell me your thoughts on DDL?

perhaps I will.

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] do all roles flip in this game, or just lynches?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:48 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:31 pm Dunya, since you're here, can you tell me your thoughts on DDL?

perhaps I will.

please?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why is DDL good?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:36 pm Quin, would you please tell me what you think of LC?

LC, can you please tell me your thoughts on Quin?

Thank you.

Quin is maybe fourth in line for a vote from me right now. I don't trust him all that much.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:35 pm I didn't take "Hello this is cop" as a real role claim. Looking forward to finding out the truth.

It wasn't. I was poking fun at the vehement NOBODY FAKECLAIM thing.

Probably should have put a j/k on there eh?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:05 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:48 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Why the hell did you just claim?

AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

That was fake?

What the hell?

What is this reaction?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why provide some reasoning for your vote.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:30 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:23 am I see nothing wrong with the cop claiming when they've got a red check. Why wouldn't they claim? I'd also like to add in if the watcher targets a player who ends up targeting someone who dies they should also claim it. We might have lost a powerful civ role, but one civ is worth one mafia member no matter what power the civ has.

One cop is more valuable than just "one civ".

Either way, I don't want to argue this. I'm more interested in the fact you are trying to get the cop to clim early rather than later. Mafia's #1 priority should be to find the cop, assuming there is one, so this is line with what mafia would want.

You say you don't want to argue about this, yet you're lynching me based on something you don't want to discuss, so you're basically closing off the avenue of discussion which could stop you from voting for me.

I'm arguing that a cop isn't anymore valuable then any civ IF they don't claim when they get a red check. I'm not saying nor did I ever say that the cop should claim day 1, they should only claim if they get a red check on a player. Since it's worth it to loose a cop and have a mafia player lynched, then say have the cop get night killed before clearing/outing anyone, OR even worse get lynched after getting a red check, but failing to say he had a red check. This makes the cop as useless as any regular vanilla civ.

Your vote makes no sense since I quite literally told the cop to only claim if they have a known mafia member, something no mafia member would say since it makes them more likely to get outed. In fact I'd argue mafia members would encourage the cop to never claim which would allow them to not worry about being outed so if anything you look worse for trying to lynch the player giving rational advise to the cop, and attempting to stop them from claiming.

So either you're not paying close attention to my post or you're a mafia member trying to get the cop/watcher to never claim. Assuming we even have those roles.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Why the hell did you just claim?

So you basically agree with me then, buuuuut you're lynching me.

I made my case of 1 not fake claiming and 2. only claiming if you have a red check to be very clear. However, this is obviously speed just messing around and poking me.


Also my original sites were super heavy on role claiming, games that allow claiming are my bread and butter. This is quite literally the best strategy for a watcher/cop/info role to use if claiming is allowed. Otherwise you end up sitting on a red check for to long and the other players either miss it or the mafia can manipulate your posts after death, I've done it successfully countless times.


linki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.
My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?
And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

linki 2: It is a strange reaction what do you make of it Quin?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why is DDL good?

Check his ISO. He's been very straightforward, unafraid to say what he thinks. Each directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them. I agree with his way of looking at things. From what little I've seen, DDL isn't someone I want lynched D1 this game.

He's not confirmed town or anything. I'm just not wanting to lynch him

linki: good question

linki'd again, but I'm going to go ahead and post.

I don't know yet, sig. It's weirdly exaggerated read out loud. Yes, I said 'weird'.

Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why is DDL good?

Check his ISO. He's been very straightforward, unafraid to say what he thinks. Each directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them. I agree with his way of looking at things. From what little I've seen, DDL isn't someone I want lynched D1 this game.

He's not confirmed town or anything. I'm just not wanting to lynch him

linki: good question

linki'd again, but I'm going to go ahead and post.

His straight-forwardness is something I'm used to from town DDL (though I haven't seen scum DDL yet). It keeps himself in the spotlight, which in itself isn't something I'd readily expect from a baddie.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.

can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He's had his finger in everybody's pie.

That's my pie, paws off.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:03 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 3:50 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Why is DDL good?

Check his ISO. He's been very straightforward, unafraid to say what he thinks. Each directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them. I agree with his way of looking at things. From what little I've seen, DDL isn't someone I want lynched D1 this game.

He's not confirmed town or anything. I'm just not wanting to lynch him

linki: good question

linki'd again, but I'm going to go ahead and post.

His straight-forwardness is something I'm used to from town DDL (though I haven't seen scum DDL yet). It keeps himself in the spotlight, which in itself isn't something I'd readily expect from a baddie.

Actually, I think I have seen scum DDL once. He died Day 1 though. I remember him being more absent than he is here. [mention]Dragon D. Luffy[/mention], any idea which game I'm talking about? I want to fact check.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmlinki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.

That's #fakenews that I "always do that as scum".

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?

HERE IS MY POST

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

THE PART YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS IN BLUE, AND THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPICIONS ARE IN RED. Would you care to explain how that happened?

And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

That's funny, I thought I was waiting for people to come and bandwagon on DDL. I didn't know that you can use predictions about someone's future behaviour to find them suspicious. That's some next-level shit!

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.

can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:03 pm Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

Yes and we've had a few games here with claiming where people fake claimed cop *cough Wilgy cough* Which resulted in a huge mess and even more games on other sites where people fake claim cop, forcing the real cop to be lynched/Night killed then wasting a phase lynching the person who originally claimed cop, this is something the mafia loves since it's two civs one with a power role dead and at least two phases wasted. I think with role claiming games it's vital to have at the very least a blue print idea for how power roles should act. Now they don't need to act that way or claim nobody is forcing them to, but I believe what I said is the best way for town to win with role claiming allowed.

Also with no godfather role it's impossible for the cop reads to be wrong so it's even more important that they're upfront.

I'd also say the watcher,, jail keeper, and tracker should follow the same policy when it comes to claiming, but be slightly more careful since it isn't as clear.

linki: Good point I still don't trust LC though.

Fake claiming provides decent cover for the real role to provide information, as far as I'm concerned. All parties just have to be smart about it, or yes, there will be a mess.

I don't suggest roles with ambiguous results out themselves ever.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:14 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmEach directed question pushes people in a specific way that puts pressure on them.

can you give some examples of this happening? I was noticing the exact opposite during my read but maybe you saw something i didnt?

He pressured MP about the lack of scumreads.
Pushed Dunya for questioning him.
Didn't give LC any slack for his D1 No Lynch bit.
Pushed Sig over his cop-claim bit.
Voted out in the thread to make a statement.

It's more of a tone-read to me, but I feel like DDL is going around and flicking everyone on the nose. MP is bad about not doing scumreads. LC was getting townreads from his gambit. Same for Sig and his asking the cop to claim.

The generally towniest or most dangerous players in the game are making things happen, and DDL is going around to bop them on the nose. Not a huge amount, but hey, it's D1. And I want to keep that around.

I agree with DDL read, same for me.

Also some some of the things he questioned and way he questioned it and reactions to everything make me feel he's town in thought process rather than mafia.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmlinki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.

That's #fakenews that I "always do that as scum".

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?

HERE IS MY POST

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

THE PART YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS IN BLUE, AND THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPICIONS ARE IN RED. Would you care to explain how that happened?

And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

That's funny, I thought I was waiting for people to come and bandwagon on DDL. I didn't know that you can use predictions about someone's future behaviour to find them suspicious. That's some next-level shit!

Your level of sarcasm is very high, which further leads me to believe you're mafia and are angry I caught you using such a meta seemingly nonsensical way.

What you say in red is grandstanding disguised as questions you say my posts are shallow and ask if I believe them, then say my question isn't a question there isn't a way to refute that except by saying no, my posts aren't shallow and yes I was honestly asking the question. Am I slightly riding a fence with my views on no lynch? Maybe but it isn't a 100 percent indicator of someones alignment to say it is would be silly, especially considering the number of games I've played with Glorfindel who always votes no lynch day 1 as a civ. Some people just do that and there are some good civ reasoning behind voting no lynch. However, at the end of the day very few civs actually believe this and it is a tool mainly used by mafia members to get less done. I see nothing out of the ordinary or wrong with any of my statements. I believe you're making mountains out of mole hills and attempting to find mafia tendencies where none exist.

linki: No it really doesn't though. Since you have to assume the real cop knows it's fake claiming, the person fake claiming isn't trying to mislead the thread, and that the person fake claiming is right and should be trusted. The only thing fake claiming does is allow for the mafia to hijack the thread and distract from scumhunting.

Though this is just my opinion I usually take a very hard line stance on claiming at all and even more so on fake claiming. The only time I've ever seen fake claiming work is when the mafia fake claims to get the real cop lynched instead of them, which fun fact I've done twice.

[mention]SpankGangsta[/mention] come out and post please.

Even though role claiming is typically not allowed, this time it's a tool by design. I suggest tabling the anti-role claiming prejudice mindset for a bit.

Long Con and sig, going at each other again. I'm sure there was another game I was part of (as a replacement) where this happened with Long Con and someone else, and it was two townies going at each other. sig comes off as more townie, but Long Con is basically reacting as townie Long Con did in that JJJ game.

I suggest sig and Long Con lay off each other for a day and see how they feel about each other after Day 1. Don't focus all energy on 1 person on Day 1.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:36 pm Quin, would you please tell me what you think of LC?

LC, can you please tell me your thoughts on Quin?

Thank you.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:31 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:11 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:00 pmlinki: LC you're doing to me what you always do as scum making small things that have no real weight into big issues.

That's #fakenews that I "always do that as scum".

My "side step" had to do with you commenting that I mixed up "your" and "You're" how is that in anyway a side step when it doesn't refer to something that has any value? Just like your grammar nazism had nothing to do with the game?

HERE IS MY POST

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 8:58 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:49 pm Why didn't you mention me LC, don't you love me anymore? I THOUGHT WE HAD SOMETHING SPECIAL!

Right, I missed the relevant content in the middle of this post:

sig wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:38 pm Hm I don't regret making that post early honestly waiting In an attempt to catch someone would mean I put to much thought into it and like I said it isn't really a good tried and true reason to lynch someone.

I find quins comment interesting but not suspicious, and I am 100% against voting no lynch, now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but I'd be very wary of anyone who pushes a no lynch, especially syndicate oldies since it isn't really a part of your culture.

Linki: I hate dogs, my gameplay is more like a cats :P
Buuuut if you force me to pick I'd say I'd be like a mutt or something idk dogs are gross

Must have skimmed over it in my search for posts to respond/react to, related to my No Lynch thing. Really disappointed that you used "your" and not "you're", but happy that you didn't say "weary" like so many do. Your response, to me as a Syndicate oldie, seems like a nice, light way to seed some suspicion out there, as a baddie. It also rides the proverbial fence - "now i wouldn't say if you support a no lynch your a mafia member, but...". Two strikes earns you a Scumdar10 rating of: 4.1.

Also why do you say Speed's post is scummy when you make a super big post as well? Or was it more to do with the fact it was a big post that said very little?

Baddie DDL said it well. Mine were response/analysis/interaction, his was a mechanically explanatory chunk. Looking back at that sentence, I used "were" for my post because it's really a bunch of smaller posts in one. Each quotation and response could have had its own post, a la MP07, but I prefer to keep it tight. All in all, when comparing our two posts, the similarities end completely at the number of lines the text takes up. Do you read every post that shallowly? Do you even believe your own post, or are you just mimicking what you think the desire for helpful content looks like?

Frankly, I don't even like the last sentence, it's like a passive little accusation of Speedchuck hidden in a "fact-based" question. ARRRR, ye be scum by my good eye! Scumdar rating: 8.3.

THE PART YOU ARE ADDRESSING IS IN BLUE, AND THE PARTS THAT CONTAIN ACTUAL ACCUSATIONS OR SUSPICIONS ARE IN RED. Would you care to explain how that happened?

And you're suspicious for putting out bait on multiple players yes, I view it as you waiting to see which one garners more attention and then using that to bandwagon onto someone.

That's funny, I thought I was waiting for people to come and bandwagon on DDL. I didn't know that you can use predictions about someone's future behaviour to find them suspicious. That's some next-level shit!

Your level of sarcasm is very high, which further leads me to believe you're mafia and are angry I caught you using such a meta seemingly nonsensical way.

What you say in red is grandstanding disguised as questions you say my posts are shallow and ask if I believe them, then say my question isn't a question there isn't a way to refute that except by saying no, my posts aren't shallow and yes I was honestly asking the question. Am I slightly riding a fence with my views on no lynch? Maybe but it isn't a 100 percent indicator of someones alignment to say it is would be silly, especially considering the number of games I've played with Glorfindel who always votes no lynch day 1 as a civ. Some people just do that and there are some good civ reasoning behind voting no lynch. However, at the end of the day very few civs actually believe this and it is a tool mainly used by mafia members to get less done. I see nothing out of the ordinary or wrong with any of my statements. I believe you're making mountains out of mole hills and attempting to find mafia tendencies where none exist.

linki: No it really doesn't though. Since you have to assume the real cop knows it's fake claiming, the person fake claiming isn't trying to mislead the thread, and that the person fake claiming is right and should be trusted. The only thing fake claiming does is allow for the mafia to hijack the thread and distract from scumhunting.

Though this is just my opinion I usually take a very hard line stance on claiming at all and even more so on fake claiming. The only time I've ever seen fake claiming work is when the mafia fake claims to get the real cop lynched instead of them, which fun fact I've done twice.

Fakeclaiming does provide cover. You want one cop to provide one red check, which might net you a mafia kill, but it'll also net you a dead cop. I don't call that a fair trade. Fake claims provide a level of WIFOM for scum to sift through while the cop continues their checks. If the town are mindless sheep and follow whoever claims cop or allow the conversation to be derailed by it, that's not a town team I want to be on.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amIs Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

So everyone here thinks that if the cop sees someone fakeclaim as cop they think they're covering for the real cop? What good does it do to the thread though? Why can't mafia fakeclaim to be cop?

I've never played in a game where civ fakeclaim resulted in good things, so I am entirely biased.

alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard


I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:38 pm So everyone here thinks that if the cop sees someone fakeclaim as cop they think they're covering for the real cop? What good does it do to the thread though? Why can't mafia fakeclaim to be cop?

I've never played in a game where civ fakeclaim resulted in good things, so I am entirely biased.

I remember [mention]MovingPictures07[/mention] having a lot to say about this tactic, so it'd be good to get his perspective.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amIs Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

please explain your vote?

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:32 pm Long Con and sig, going at each other again. I'm sure there was another game I was part of (as a replacement) where this happened with Long Con and someone else, and it was two townies going at each other. sig comes off as more townie, but Long Con is basically reacting as townie Long Con did in that JJJ game.

Probably LC and Epi.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard


I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC

Did you just reduce my content to a town read I made at the very beginning of Day 1? Does the amount of nothings I've said really outweigh the somethings I've said?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm If the town are mindless sheep and follow whoever claims cop or allow the conversation to be derailed by it, that's not a town team I want to be on.

this post reads as slightly arrogant.

Yes, I take claims seriously. Don't fake claim. Fakeclaims, and further fake results, derail the thread endlessly. I don't give a shit if the real cop gets more nights, you're wasting town effort on wild goosehunts and derailing THEIR efforts. The cop could check every civ in the game before hitting a scum. This game isn't all about the cop...it's a team effort. Plenty of games where the cop died before giving any reads, or gets lynched before targeting a scum prove that Townies can win the game through analysis and intel. Don't fuck that up with fake claims and fake reads.

It's the cop who should be smart enough to blend in and reveal him/herself in good time.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm alright. it's business time. 1 - 5, 5 being definitely good, 1 being definitely bad, and 3 being average.

DDL: 2.5
Most of his posts are about game mechanics, he notes to MP that he was lacking baddie reads even though he'd provided none himself, voted sig for asking the cop to play recklessly proactively... just generally ping-y. Like it's mostly gut feel and maybe it's just how he is regularly but there's a definite general pingy-ness there for me. I had him with a lower score before Speedchuck's point about nosebops, i can see how the same tactic could be used as a townie to stir the pot and open up discussion

Dr. Wilgy: ???
LIterally has only posted emoticons? is this normal for Wilgy?

Dunya: 3.5
My gut feel on her is good. Her posts read authentic to me. It's not much more than gut.

Long Con: 3.25
Very thorough and generally positive influence on the thread. He'd be higher but i believe he's very well capable of smoke-screening as a baddie.

MP: 3
he has a lot of posts because of the 1 quote per post thing he did. he's doing work and making shit happen but there's not enough there to sway me either way on him.

NewTraditionist: Null
Only post is about the day 0 vote. Please speak up.

Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

sig: 3.25
actually reads kind of civ to me??? i get where people are coming from with the copclaim suggestion thing but the thing is, he's right. it's mathematically the best choice in a vacuum. other variables exist as well if the cop can reliably wait a cycle and possibly catch a second badboy then like... that's a different matter.

Spacedaisy: 2.5
She's one of the 4 players with only 1 post but she's different in that i usually expect her to be more active than this. she's been around and posting in other places here. I wouldn't vote her over it because i don't think she'd use inactivity as a baddiestrat, but i guess what i'm saying is, hey spacedaisy, come plaaaaay with us. in this space we've made.

Spankgangsta: Null
he's newer, right? come plaaaaaayyyyyyyyy. with us. come out and plaaaaaaaaay

Speedchuck: 3.5
very blunt. I think good? i disagree with some/most of the stuff he says but his posts read as a townie who is trying hard


I see that my reads on Sig and DDL aren't concurrent with the rest of the thread so i'm going to review those two as well as LC

Are you suuuuuuure that scale isn't 2-4? Because these reads look very soft.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:43 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm If the town are mindless sheep and follow whoever claims cop or allow the conversation to be derailed by it, that's not a town team I want to be on.

this post reads as slightly arrogant.

Yes, I take claims seriously. Don't fake claim. Fakeclaims, and further fake results, derail the thread endlessly. I don't give a shit if the real cop gets more nights, you're wasting town effort on wild goosehunts and derailing THEIR efforts. The cop could check every civ in the game before hitting a scum. This game isn't all about the cop...it's a team effort. Plenty of games where the cop died before giving any reads, or gets lynched before targeting a scum prove that Townies can win the game through analysis and intel. Don't fuck that up with fake claims and fake reads.

I have no experience with fakeclaims derailing a thread. I do, however, have experience with fakeclaims bringing a nice chunk of information to the thread to be evaluated later. I agree that pure scumhunting is probably more important, but in this game, fakeclaims are but one more tool that can be used to town's advantage if used properly.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 1:52 pm 3 minutes later:

Nah, DDL's good. I'm going to vote to make Sig our first wagon of the day.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:27 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:15 am

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:10 am Right now I'd rather lynch a player who isn't contributing then someone who is, unless we have a strong reason to suspect they're mafia, and I'm not seeing anything very obvious yet.

Also and I should've brought this up sooner, but If we have a cop and they get a red check I suggest they role claim immediately, with only 3 mafia members sacrificing the cop to get a mafia member is worth it, also other civs should take advantage of role claiming if they have useful information that will catch mafia members, AND I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH AS A CIV DONT FAKE CLAIM COP!!!!!!!!!!

Hello this is cop.

We have a three day D1. I don't like you pushing toward a non-contributer with such a hefty timeframe. Look at the reads in the thread. We have plenty of time to find a scummy swabbie today.

Why the hell did you just claim?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:22 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:03 pm Oh man I almost forgot that claiming isn't usually allowed here. Sig's diatribe about it makes more sense in that context.

Yes and we've had a few games here with claiming where people fake claimed cop *cough Wilgy cough* Which resulted in a huge mess and even more games on other sites where people fake claim cop, forcing the real cop to be lynched/Night killed then wasting a phase lynching the person who originally claimed cop, this is something the mafia loves since it's two civs one with a power role dead and at least two phases wasted. I think with role claiming games it's vital to have at the very least a blue print idea for how power roles should act. Now they don't need to act that way or claim nobody is forcing them to, but I believe what I said is the best way for town to win with role claiming allowed.

Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 12:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:29 amIs Kylemii an old player here (or elsewhere)? I know he's trying to find his footing, but some trends in mafia are ubiquitous. You're in here, Kyle. I'm expecting more.

Just because I'm not throwing accusations yet doesn't mean I'm not working. On day one I suspected you for being too gung-ho so I asked everyone the dog thing and found out that that's kind of just who you are as a person along with some other stuff.

Now I'm working on something else

What specifically do you want out of me?

please explain your vote?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

Funny thing is, fakeclaims require good communication to be used in any beneficial way. Good communication. With words.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

Funny thing is, fakeclaims require good communication to be used in any beneficial way. Good communication. With words.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

Did you just reduce my content to a town read I made at the very beginning of Day 1? Does the amount of nothings I've said really outweigh the somethings I've said?

No, I didn't. "Nothing concrete" refers to my gut read on you. Not your actual content. I feel uneasy about you, it's .25 below average. please relax. Just gut.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:56 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:39 pm Quin: 2.75
Uneasy but nothing concrete. they say a lot without saying much. throwing out "townie points" is.... i just don't trust that at all. i don't trust that metric

Did you just reduce my content to a town read I made at the very beginning of Day 1? Does the amount of nothings I've said really outweigh the somethings I've said?

No, I didn't. "Nothing concrete" refers to my gut read on you. Not your actual content. I feel uneasy about you, it's .25 below average. please relax. Just gut.

What do you think of my actual content?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:53 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:52 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:50 pm Just to clarify my perspective: I'm not encouraging we do one thing or another. I'm just in support of fakeclaiming as an avenue we can take if enough people are on board with it.

Funny thing is, fakeclaims require good communication to be used in any beneficial way. Good communication. With words.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:47 pmAre you suuuuuuure that scale isn't 2-4? Because these reads look very soft.

It's day one, friendo. Anyone who says they feel confident about anything is lying.

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:33 pm I suggest sig and Long Con lay off each other for a day and see how they feel about each other after Day 1. Don't focus all energy on 1 person on Day 1.

But if I focus on multiple people then sig will be suspicious of me! I'm done with him for now, at least I got him to address the actual content of my post about him in a real way.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:59 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Oct 31, 2017 4:47 pmAre you suuuuuuure that scale isn't 2-4? Because these reads look very soft.

It's day one, friendo. Anyone who says they feel confident about anything is lying.

Don't tell me how I feel.