ROUND TWO ☒ JURY GAME

#201

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:36 pm I literally quoted you DH. You are going to deny saying something that I literally quoted you on. And when you said it, I was so shocked I actually asked you to clarify to make sure I understood you right. So there is no denying what you said.

I'm not going to argue with you, I'm going to just go back to observing and voting. Civilians, I don't recommend putting DH on your juries when you are head juror.

You literally quoted me saying "Lets rush into things and not take our time and gather information?"

Or you literally quoted me saying "The more information we have, the better for finding out who is Criminal"

#202

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:20 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:36 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:35 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:30 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Apr 30, 2018 10:28 pm Ok, so do you guys know some simple strategies we can use?
It's tough cuz I don't want to spill too much of the beans and give criminals a leg up but it would be beneficial to get as many team nominations as possible.
Please clarify what you mean here.

Linki: Would anyone care if I turn off the linki for this thread, this is freaking annoying...
Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, The more Head Jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be Criminal.
Right here DH. Right here. Civilians don't have any info. If this were the second round I might be more inclined to more carefully choose the jury. But in this first round, the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals.

OK So,

If you can explain to me how "the people who benefit from seeing lots of jury nominations are the criminals", that would be great.

If you could explain to me how "Seeing who people put on their team is very helpful, the more head jurors we can get to nominate teams, the more we can learn about who may be criminal," is anywhere close to "lets rush into things" that would also be great.

#203

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 4:36 pm I literally quoted you DH. You are going to deny saying something that I literally quoted you on. And when you said it, I was so shocked I actually asked you to clarify to make sure I understood you right. So there is no denying what you said.

I'm not going to argue with you, I'm going to just go back to observing and voting. Civilians, I don't recommend putting DH on your juries when you are head juror.

Making judgements based on no information about who to put on your/other teams before mission 1 has even been run certainly doesn't seem like "rushing into things" at all

Y'all asked for me, remember that.

#204

Hi, everyone! So I haven't slept in like... 36 hours now, so I'm going to drop a vote and go sleep soon.

[VOTE: Approve] aubergine

#205

Oh there's MP.

#206

Too many lurkers.

**http://www.last.fm/user/nutella23** · #207

Looks like this is getting intense

#208

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 5:18 pm Too many lurkers.

Well I just got off work so lurk mode deactivated.

#209

Hi Ed and Nutella.

Looks like sprit is last to vote. If he sinks this team by holding to his previous disapprove vote, I'll get to make my team. Either of you have any suggestions of who to put on/leave off?

#210

EDJOU'S PROPOSED JURY:
EdJou, M Plus 7, Scotty, Spacedaisy

Approve: Long Con, EdJou, Speedchuck, Scotty, Spacedaisy, M Plus 7
Disapprove: Dharmahelper, Lunalee, Nutella, DisgruntledPorcupine, Golden

YET TO VOTE: [mention]sprityo[/mention]

DEADLINE: 7:38 PM CST. In 2 hours and 30 minutes.

Remember, ties result in a disapproval, and non-votes are abstentions that do not affect the total.

#211

Despite the conflict above, I think you should put Daisy up.

#212

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 6:10 pm Despite the conflict above, I think you should put Daisy up.

Yeah I dunno about that but I'll take your word into consideration.

#213

T-minus 1 hour.

#214

the closer we get to passing, the more ominous feeling I’m getting

#215

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:11 pm the closer we get to passing, the more ominous feeling I’m getting

#216

If this does end up going through without sprityo, I want to hear what he would have done before we cast our votes. I think it’s important.

#217

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:12 pm If this does end up going through without sprityo, I want to hear what he would have done before we cast our votes. I think it’s important.

I agree with this at least.

#218

Looks like we're getting a jury vote.

#219

>Don't Rush Into Things Guys Thats How the Criminals Win
> Second Team Ever Proposed Gets to A Jury Vote.

To be fair the only person I 100% take issue with being on that team is Daisy for obvious reasons. MP finally showing up and dropping a vote to approve the team could be seen as suspect, but I'm not entirely convinced it is.

Scotty I'm on the fence about but leaning OK.

Ed I'm comfortable with.

So if no one on that team is bad, or the bad person(s) on the team float, that'll be our first of 3 Guilty's.

#220

#221

>Guys DH Is Bad Because He Wants Us To Rush Into Things
> No I don't I literally said the absolute opposite of that
> Guys Lets hurry up and get a team approved
> Wait isn't that rushing into things?
> DH I'm not going to argue with you I'm just going to hide and vote.

#222

TRIAL #1

[mention]EdJou[/mention], [mention]M Plus 7[/mention], [mention]Scotty[/mention], and [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention]

The four of you have until 7:40 AM CST tomorrow to PM me either a "Guilty" or "Not Guilty" vote. If there is even one "Not Guilty" vote, the trial will result in a Not Guilty verdict. When I have received all the votes, I will announce the verdict. How each individual player voted will not be revealed. Once the verdict is revealed, [mention]DharmaHelper[/mention] may propose a jury for the second trial.

#223

I predict a float, but that's just me.

#224

A float? I don't like parades.

#225

Again, I’d be utterly surprised if there was a not guilty on this one. Whether or not it’s a float is another topic.

Now I want a root beer float

#226

EdJou wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 8:56 pm A float? I don't like parades.

A float meaning if there are criminals on that team, the criminals decide to vote Guilty, hiding to strike in the later rounds.

Round 1 is almost always going to be a Pass for the civ team, the question then becoming "Do we ride with the team from Round 1 into the next rounds" and then "Who do we add onto the later rounds"

#227

I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?

#228

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?

When I played, if we ever got a FAIL/NG we went to a completely different team composition for the next mission.

#229

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?

I would *usually* make a mission with 1-2 from the original with only 1 fail. Sometimes I would even make an entirely different team just to see what patsy votes for it

#230

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?
I would *usually* make a mission with 1-2 from the original with only 1 fail. Sometimes I would even make an entirely different team just to see what patsy votes for it

Is that in a five-round game?

#231

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:47 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:39 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?
I would *usually* make a mission with 1-2 from the original with only 1 fail. Sometimes I would even make an entirely different team just to see what patsy votes for it
Is that in a five-round game?

Yep, I don’t think I’ve heard of any more or less than that

#232

I think its 5 rounds every time but the number of pass/fails per round changes

#233

Yeah there’s no way I gonna be able to effectively submit shit because I sleep when deadlines read due

Don’t expect anything amazing out of me

#234

TRIAL #1 RESULT

VERDICT: GUILTY

[mention]DharmaHelper[/mention], please propose a jury for the second trial.

#235

I submit
1. Edjour
2. DharmaHelper
3. Scotty
4. Dispor

Good job guys.

#236

Nice! It's in the bag. [VOTE: approve] aubergine

#237

[VOTE: disapprove] aubergine

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 9:50 am Nice! It's in the bag. [VOTE: approve] aubergine

So you think someone floated?

#238

[VOTE: Approve ] aubergine

#239

Wait, why are we not nominating the same team?

#240

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 01, 2018 9:31 pm I believe MP+7 will not be a problem with a prompt enough vote, because Spacedaisy is there to nudge him. And I would not count that as any kind of BTSC even during closed BTSC time. It's just sensible.

So, if a Not Guilty verdict comes up, is the common practice to create juries that contain none of the original four?

So you approved the team, we had a guilty verdict, DH makes a team that only has 2 of the original, adding himself and...DP, who no one has talked about yet, and you wholeheartedly agree with it, saying that it’s in the bag?

#241

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:06 am Wait, why are we not nominating the same team?

I understand why DH isn’t doing the same team- he already said he thinks it floated and he wanted to put himself on.

Also he’s bad.

#242

I nominated who I nominated for a number of reasons.

1. I'm on the team and I know I'm good
2. Some people from the team just now who I don't think could have floated are on the team, and that's good
3. Some new people are on the team and if they're bad, are less likely to sink the mission because of who else is on the team

IDK. I don't expect my team to go through because people seem to think I'm bad for reasons that make no sense, but if it does go through I'll prove I'm good when the mission passes.

#243

Oh, that's what floating is. Okay.

#244

7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.

#245

[VOTE: DISAPPROVE ] aubergine

#246

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:19 am 7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.

Yikes 7%? Fortunately we didn't rush into things.

#247

Scotty/Ed

Why the disapprovals?

#248

[VOTE: disapprove] aubergine

#249

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:29 am [VOTE: disapprove] aubergine

Consistently disapproving teams seems like a bad strategy to me.

#250

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:22 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 02, 2018 10:19 am 7% odds that we randomly hit all town on that first team. Not great.
Yikes 7%? Fortunately we didn't rush into things.

Thing is, based on the requirements for trial two and four, there's a 7% chance that we've already won the game, right? Shouldn't we try it out instead of counting on DP?