Inception [Inception Phase 4]

[Evenstar]

[mention]Pawn Lelouch[/mention] Any thoughts regarding how to deal with the setup fuckery?

[Evenstar]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention], I see you lurking there. Got anything to say?

[Evenstar]

Apparently he didn't.

*ticks up a notch on the scum-o-meter*

[Pawn Lelouch]

@Pawn Lelouch Any thoughts regarding how to deal with the setup fuckery?

Well the easiest method is honestly fairly simple and has been mentioned to an extent already. There are 16 players here according to the list. Everyone exclude themselves.

Have everyone iso in groups of 3 and give thoughts on them. Once they get all the way through the 5 groups gun to the head on them. That way they likely will have more than 3 vote potentials and won't run afoul of the rules.

At this point the thread narrows focus based on those who are most popular and directs attention on them.

Try and gather more data as they get grilled for insights and info to narrow down further (and note any suspicious behavior from the questioners) to a top 3.

And while nothing can be said outright, it should be easy enough to see where people are personally looking for the final vote to go and for a rough coordination to occur.

Is this perfect? Hell no, but it's the best I can reasonably see done with the constraints placed on us.

[Pawn Lelouch]

And for groups do it alphabetically.

So like 112, Dom, Epi. Eva, iaafr, Jack. Etc

And with the leftover 16th in Sprit, just swap them out with your name in whatever group you fit in.

[Evenstar]

And for groups do it alphabetically.

So like 112, Dom, Epi. Eva, iaafr, Jack. Etc

And with the leftover 16th in Sprit, just swap them out with your name in whatever group you fit in.

This works. I hate it deeply, but it works. And it's better than the near total lack of posts we're currently experiencing.

[Epignosis]

Evenstar

I am not going through the sexual jokes. They do not mean anything to me.

Why are there 9 freaking pages? I don't wanna read all that.

... you def signed up for the wrong game, between me, Mac and Nanook. (And uhhhhhh I'm sure there's someone else blabby here too. It'll come back to me.)

This is a small thing that is small point in Evenstar’s favor.

Oh, and by the way, Dragomir is very likely scum for engaging with that and taking it as far as he did. He's looking for excuses to spam the thread and look active. Also, he's terrible at flirting. In both cases: get some better content, bitch boy.

If I could vote, I'd be voting them right about now.

This though bears commentary, however, since Dragomir’s antics lead to Evenstar expressing a strong opinion early that ended up being correct. I think her ultimate vote on 112 indicates that she was not concerned with making a credit grab.

current scumreads:
Whatsisface morgan uhhhh Dragomir
112
iaafr

townies:
tony
mac
nutella

there should probably be more people here but I CBA this late

night all, flights of angels sing thee to thy rest etc etc

I suspect 112 and iaafr. How do you feel about that?

Depends. Why do you suspect them?

Good answer.

I don't vote on command.

The fact that you feel the need to say this in a phase with no voting is super mega off. Double-barreled FoS here, gonna drop my vote here when daystart happens unless something major intervenes.

I like this interaction. It does not seem phony.

iaafr

creature
dragomir
michelle
sprityo
benson

evenstar
hyena

null line

112
macdougall
jackofhearts
nutella

why the fuck are both Creature and Dragomir so high here
Also not getting great vibes from benson
Nutella and Jack ought to be higher, too
overall, garbage readslist, making me feel worse about Iaafr

Evenstar challenging iaafr for this is also a good look.

-snip read wall-

You seem to be having a lot of town reads. Do you have any scum ones?

bad post tbqh

I’m fine stopping here and calling Evenstar unaligned with Dragomir.

Lol wut? How? There's nothing there that can't be construed as your bog-standard distancing. I don't even recall if she ever voted Drago as threatened in D0 - certainly she didn't keep pushing him once D1 started up.

Are you just hoping to bury the thread or something here?

I made 39 posts. I'm now watching the World Series. Does it look like I'm trying to "bury the thread?"

As for my analysis, ANYTHING one versus another can be construed as distancing. I'm taking a stand. Was Evenstar distancing from Dragomir? If so, what is your evidence to support that?

[Pawn Lelouch]

And for groups do it alphabetically.

So like 112, Dom, Epi. Eva, iaafr, Jack. Etc

And with the leftover 16th in Sprit, just swap them out with your name in whatever group you fit in.

This works. I hate it deeply, but it works. And it's better than the near total lack of posts we're currently experiencing.

Same. It is way too cold and clinical for my liking but I have nothing better I could come up with.

Also can we still see the previous thread or were those just quotes Epi had saved? Since I tried searching from my phone and I couldn't find the old thread at all.

[Pawn Lelouch]

And for groups do it alphabetically.

So like 112, Dom, Epi. Eva, iaafr, Jack. Etc

And with the leftover 16th in Sprit, just swap them out with your name in whatever group you fit in.

This works. I hate it deeply, but it works. And it's better than the near total lack of posts we're currently experiencing.

Same. It is way too cold and clinical for my liking but I have nothing better I could come up with.

Also can we still see the previous thread or were those just quotes Epi had saved? Since I tried searching from my phone and I couldn't find the old thread at all.

And yes, this sounds stupid but theoretically they could have kept the thread locked and gave the other group a new one as well.

I'm just really hoping we don't have to do everyone off of memory essentially.

[Epignosis]

@iaafr can you explain why you dropped out altogether?

for fun

i never intended to stay on 112, i wanted to make the wagon look viable and like i would townread people for joining it

getting on scum lynches is boring and might give me too much cred to live

That would require you to know who the scum are?

drago was obvscum in my book

Nobody else can read your book, and even if they could, it means nothing. If things had gone even a little bit differently, Dragomir might not have been lynched.

Please vote if you are a civilian unless it's endgame and no lynch makes sense. If you are bad, cool. Don't vote.

[Jackofhearts2005]

it was actually so sick i think i solved the whole game

wtf man

Oh yeah me too ya know?

[Evenstar]

I would also like to register a complaint that the gimmick of this part of the game badly restricts "gutfeel" players such as myself and Hyena, while leaving "analytical" players like Pawn and Epi relatively untouched. How the heck am I supposed to exert pressure if I can't credibly threaten someone using my vote?

Additionally, the implication that there are like a dozen people playing somewhere else without this heavy post restriction makes me curse RNJesus.

I'll play it, but I'm hoping like hell I won't have to stay here for the rest of the game.

Current top three scum are {Nova, 112, Radishes}.

[Evenstar]

... Wait, I have an idea.

A terrible, horrible, awful idea.

Can we rig a hydra game out of this?

[Pawn Lelouch]

... Wait, I have an idea.

A terrible, horrible, awful idea.

Can we rig a hydra game out of this?

...

I'm listening.

[Evenstar]

Just make everybody act in groupa of three+ players, then each team can throw suspicions at other teams as much as they like

[Evenstar]

Everybody votes for the worst hydra and picks their own target from among the members of rhe hydra that was "lynched"

[Evenstar]

4 3-headed hydrae and one 4-headed hydra makes a Final 5 situation

I would much rather play that than whatever this is

[Pawn Lelouch]

Everybody votes for the worst hydra and picks their own target from among the members of rhe hydra that was "lynched"

And how pray tell would you pick these hydras? Since a method like alphabetical sure as hell isn't a good idea since a fair few of the hydras are mixed or outright scummy looking.

That would likely be predetermining the group of 3 very early on in a way that I am not at all comfortable with.

[Evenstar]

Everybody votes for the worst hydra and picks their own target from among the members of rhe hydra that was "lynched"

And how pray tell would you pick these hydras? Since a method like alphabetical sure as hell isn't a good idea since a fair few of the hydras are mixed or outright scummy looking.

That would likely be predetermining the group of 3 very early on in a way that I am not at all comfortable with.

Random.org? Pick your own team popcorn-style? I do expect some hydras to end up mixed or scummier than others, but if we let people pick their own teams we might get some good associatives out of it...

[Evenstar]

Might be unworkable, I just want something that isn't this

[iaafr]

@iaafr can you explain why you dropped out altogether?

for fun

i never intended to stay on 112, i wanted to make the wagon look viable and like i would townread people for joining it

getting on scum lynches is boring and might give me too much cred to live

That would require you to know who the scum are?

drago was obvscum in my book

Nobody else can read your book, and even if they could, it means nothing. If things had gone even a little bit differently, Dragomir might not have been lynched.

Please vote if you are a civilian unless it's endgame and no lynch makes sense. If you are bad, cool. Don't vote.

my point is I would've voted if I thought my vote would matter

it didn't

fuck off with your unsolicited advice

[iaafr]

wish I was part of the fun group

[Evenstar]

So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol

I've played in games on here before that have utilised a separated thread mechanic. It's not usual but it would be my first guess. It's possible that we might be the dead or something too.

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Possible this is like a face off of sorts where we don’t actually decide who dies. Idk lets just make the most of it I guess

Maybe we're voting for who gets to go back lol.

... surprisingly plausible, given that the person we lynched "woke up"

People lynched here going "up a level" might well be a thing

[Evenstar]

So this is some weird separated thread shit right? Seems unlikely half the game died with no flips lol

I've played in games on here before that have utilised a separated thread mechanic. It's not usual but it would be my first guess. It's possible that we might be the dead or something too.

Yeah that’s what I’m thinking. Possible this is like a face off of sorts where we don’t actually decide who dies. Idk lets just make the most of it I guess

Maybe we're voting for who gets to go back lol.

... surprisingly plausible, given that the person we lynched "woke up"

People lynched here going "up a level" might well be a thing

[Jackofhearts2005]

Just make everybody act in groupa of three+ players, then each team can throw suspicions at other teams as much as they like

Lol. No.

I wanna be in Epi’s hydra though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rob Zombie’s Halloween is pretty hard to watch.

[Evenstar]

Just make everybody act in groupa of three+ players, then each team can throw suspicions at other teams as much as they like

Lol. No.

I wanna be in Epi’s hydra though.

honestly same

[Pawn Lelouch]

Hm. I wonder if mafia's objective is to make it all the way to the bottom level and then back up again successfully since this is a weird game.

The only issue is what happens if the main team sent down dies before reaching it but those shallower are still there.

Do they just move up a level or two or does the higher up player need to venture down as well? But hm, how does that play into game lengths then if that type of scenario is possible.

This speculation is probably pointless but at this point I'm curious and nothing better is happening.

[MacDougall]

@Pawn Lelouch Any thoughts regarding how to deal with the setup fuckery?

Well the easiest method is honestly fairly simple and has been mentioned to an extent already. There are 16 players here according to the list. Everyone exclude themselves.

Have everyone iso in groups of 3 and give thoughts on them. Once they get all the way through the 5 groups gun to the head on them. That way they likely will have more than 3 vote potentials and won't run afoul of the rules.

At this point the thread narrows focus based on those who are most popular and directs attention on them.

Try and gather more data as they get grilled for insights and info to narrow down further (and note any suspicious behavior from the questioners) to a top 3.

And while nothing can be said outright, it should be easy enough to see where people are personally looking for the final vote to go and for a rough coordination to occur.

Is this perfect? Hell no, but it's the best I can reasonably see done with the constraints placed on us.

Lol this isn't "honestly fairly simple".

[Evenstar]

Hm. I wonder if mafia's objective is to make it all the way to the bottom level and then back up again successfully since this is a weird game.

The only issue is what happens if the main team sent down dies before reaching it but those shallower are still there.

Do they just move up a level or two or does the higher up player need to venture down as well? But hm, how does that play into game lengths then if that type of scenario is possible.

This speculation is probably pointless but at this point I'm curious and nothing better is happening.

Seems plausible, but would imply at least 6 game days to get all the way down and then back up again one level at a time. Maybe being lynched always wakes you fully, so they need to get to the bottom and then get lynched there?

[112]

remember when i used one of my last posts last round to put drago in a list of five potential players i thought could be scum?

there's no world in which i'm wolfing, basically

[Pawn Lelouch]

remember when i used one of my last posts last round to put drago in a list of five potential players i thought could be scum?

there's no world in which i'm wolfing, basically

Oh no, one of five players that can be scum in a 30 player game. Such majesty and towniness.

If you want to argue for being town there are a hell of a lot better avenues and arguments than that to attempt.

[iaafr]

I'm reading that post as facetious

[iaafr]

well postironic

[Dom]

wish I was part of the fun group

Do the people bitching about the lack of content know they can generate content and aren't dependent on others to do so and therefore I suspect them since they seem to want others to take the lead for them and be their fall guy?

[mention]Epignosis[/mention] what say you?

[MacDougall]

I don't understand why we don't just scum hunt and then vote for who we want to lynch? What's the problem with that? This situation would be as disadvantageous to the scum as it is to the town I think? Let's say there are like 3 wolves in here, 4 at max and they all coordinate their vote... You've still got a ton of other people who without the implication of having to narrow their vote down to viable wagons get to just vote for the objectively scummiest person. Surely more than 4 players are all gonna feel the same "scummiest" person and vote there?

I feel like if anything we will be more likely to lynch scum in this environment than an ordinary one? Am I taking crazy pills?

[MacDougall]

I'm reading that post as facetious

i read this post as faecetious.

[MacDougall]

wish I was part of the fun group

Do the people bitching about the lack of content know they can generate content and aren't dependent on others to do so and therefore I suspect them since they seem to want others to take the lead for them and be their fall guy?

@Epignosis what say you?

Preach. Regardless, this is a fun game. I'm enjoying the unique shit. I don't know what the deal is with the negativity. Play the hand your dealt.

[iaafr]

wish I was part of the fun group

Do the people bitching about the lack of content know they can generate content and aren't dependent on others to do so and therefore I suspect them since they seem to want others to take the lead for them and be their fall guy?

@Epignosis what say you?

how the fuck is that post about lack of content what the fuck

[iaafr]

I got evenstars backhanding my reads and epi talking to me like I don't know how voting works

how about nobody talk about me ever and maybe I can start enjoying myself

[MacDougall]

I got evenstars backhanding my reads and epi talking to me like I don't know how voting works

how about nobody talk about me ever and maybe I can start enjoying myself

I am so confused right now. We cool here. You wan hug?

[MacDougall]

[mention]112[/mention] you are way out of your normal town range here. What's your dealio?

[iaafr]

I got evenstars backhanding my reads and epi talking to me like I don't know how voting works

how about nobody talk about me ever and maybe I can start enjoying myself

I am so confused right now. We cool here. You wan hug?

what's confusing? I'm spelling out why I'm having issues enjoying this game

you and I are cool

[MacDougall]

[112]

remember when i used one of my last posts last round to put drago in a list of five potential players i thought could be scum?

there's no world in which i'm wolfing, basically

Oh no, one of five players that can be scum in a 30 player game. Such majesty and towniness.

If you want to argue for being town there are a hell of a lot better avenues and arguments than that to attempt.

do you know who doesn't get sarcasm?

wolves.

[MacDougall]

I got evenstars backhanding my reads and epi talking to me like I don't know how voting works

how about nobody talk about me ever and maybe I can start enjoying myself

I am so confused right now. We cool here. You wan hug?

what's confusing? I'm spelling out why I'm having issues enjoying this game

you and I are cool

I am just confused why you are letting those two get to you, come over here and help me find badders instead.

[iaafr]

remember when i used one of my last posts last round to put drago in a list of five potential players i thought could be scum?

there's no world in which i'm wolfing, basically

Oh no, one of five players that can be scum in a 30 player game. Such majesty and towniness.

If you want to argue for being town there are a hell of a lot better avenues and arguments than that to attempt.

do you know who doesn't get sarcasm?

wolves.

:hmmyes:

[MacDougall]

remember when i used one of my last posts last round to put drago in a list of five potential players i thought could be scum?

there's no world in which i'm wolfing, basically

Oh no, one of five players that can be scum in a 30 player game. Such majesty and towniness.

If you want to argue for being town there are a hell of a lot better avenues and arguments than that to attempt.

do you know who doesn't get sarcasm?

wolves.

[MacDougall]

New gimmick, only posting in YouTube videos. Sorry not sorry.

[iaafr]

I got evenstars backhanding my reads and epi talking to me like I don't know how voting works

how about nobody talk about me ever and maybe I can start enjoying myself

I am so confused right now. We cool here. You wan hug?

what's confusing? I'm spelling out why I'm having issues enjoying this game

you and I are cool

I am just confused why you are letting those two get to you, come over here and help me find badders instead.

I'm busy at work I'm skimming and pretty much only reacting to what gets a rise out of me

I'll full force later, probably by contrasting my takes with epis on his cases