Anniversary Game 4 - Staff vs AtE D4

[Epignosis]

At this moment I'm not voting for Rico, Spacedaisy, Martin, or Trips.

I'm currently fine with my present vote.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Haven’t played with Daisy (ever?) recently enough to trust my instincts on that one

[TonyStarkPrime]

Hm ~interesting~

[TonyStarkPrime]

Oh yeah, that reminds me

@Boquise
@Dolby
@Dyslexicon
@Epignosis
@Jackofhearts2005
@lucy
@Moonwink
@Ricochet
@Ruri
@Spacedaisy
@TonyStarkPrime
@TripleHaven
@Violet

If any of you all are around for when the mid-day event happens (see Nanook post), PLZ BE THERE >:c

obvious implication that more people there = less risk of scum benefit

there was an event? Did I win?

[Spacedaisy]

Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

Was it the use of comic sans? :P

[Epignosis]

Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

Was it the use of comic sans? :P

No. If I wanted to really cause some damage, I would have used Papyrus, which I find even more unsettling, especially when used by people who want to be taken seriously.

[robyn]

Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.

I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.

I don't really interpret the messages today, I have an almost photographic memory, the messages serve for a good evaluation of expected strength of players, because I have no meta or experience with any of the old syndicate players. I don't think I should get a pass for anything besides my ability to hunt wolves, everything else doesn't particularly matter. However Epi and Moon being evasive is generally townie, usually when I do this to scum at the start of the day -scum that won't be suspicious d1 who can freely post- tend to answer my questions because that appears *open*.

[robyn]

@lucy Are you getting any vibes on how I tend to play yet? :3 How do you plan on figuring out my playstyle if I choose to continue refusing to answer direct questions? <3

every action tells me about your playstyle, as of now my approach was to let you find wolves, because I believe you play independently of the thread you are therefore primarily a solver. and because your vote is on me you try to find wolves before town. to leave you be and to push you is correct play, and I am curious about your read accuracy because to me that is the only question that matters given what I know about you.

[Quin]

I type in all bold because everything I say is important.

[robyn]

► Show Spoiler

also my brain reads your name as moontwink

Lucy v lol

(For legal reasons, this is a joke. Don't want that on my record when Lucy flips w)

i finally get to play with jack. yay!

TH/Jack not w/w

TH probably town anyway, but yeah.

1/4th of the way to Dolby (4)

what's your experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town

are u gonna lowpost?

eh i do stuff and can pretty meticulous when i want to put the effort in to be meticulous

but i don't really anymore

probably gonna lowpost tbh

I see moonwink doesn't get a question about her mafia play, she fool you recently or something?

Interesting observation. Does this tell you something, @Dolby?

And was there a particular reason you didn't ask Moontwink for his strengths as mafia, @lucy?

Who thinks TripleHaven and Moonwink are phonies right off the bat?

Not really. I just think they have light, fluffy and pink auras.

[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

I'm also making the terrible decision of trusting moonwink for today after some amount of over-thinking

don't feel like I have anything else to say atm other than re-iterating my activity for D1 will be fairly low; expect practically no activity from me once it goes beyond 24 hours from now. D2+ should be much better.

What did you over-think over Moonwink about?

well last/only time I played with them I was hesitant on town reading them but was correct when I did

thing is large part of what I town-read them for back then, they're kinda doing a fair amount this game as if its just natural to them regardless of alignment

but I found something new that I feel points to town, and I'm not going to elaborate on my thoughts beyond that for now

Pretty sure I like this post decently well.

---

I expected a lot more content actually.

@lucy, what's my experience, read accuracy, and strengths/weaknesses as mafia and town? And how are you going to approach me based on that?

If I throw out vibes reads I'd lean town on the following: Moon, Martin and TH. If you are town, let's be friends, okeee?

[VOTE: Ricochet] aubergine Shallow questions or something I don't know

because I was just asking the question and forgot to include mafia, then I tweaked it after. I don't remember my first syndicate game verbatim, however the first cycle you started playing you got NKed and you expect to die n1 here + you're a finalist, I'd say you're extremely strong, but I don't know your specific strengths. as mafia you're filthy. my plan for you was to solve next to you was to see if you found pelts, if you don't Lynch a wolf by d3 I was gonna death tunnel you.

[robyn]

I'm also not very impressed by Lucy. Was wondering if she had a mafia game I could look at actually, since I've only played with Lucy as town in the past. @lucy

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/37399

two more on MU, zero on TS, I've only had 3 mafia rands in 5 months which is disgusting

[robyn]

lucy - early high-posters, but it all amounts to inquiring on meta; in light of no read process off of info received, there's no inherent cred to award to this effort

why's it sus, don't you remember quotes verbatim for at least a few days? furthermore I was not "appearing to solve" or anything, instead I was copy pasting the exact same question at players, I don't understand how that is suspicious when it's so fucking blatantly doing nothing for anyone else, rather I'm strictly helping myself solve in a lobby of players I haven't played with before

[Jackofhearts2005]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

This feels like a weird hedge.

Spoiler: show

[robyn]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

You should have voted me if you wanted some answers to your questions. <3 It wouldn't have worked, but it would've at least shown me that you at least cared about the answers.

"it wouldn't have worked"

lmfaoooooo, you do know how obvious this was?
not giving answers is information, why would I care about the specific answers when you intentionally wouldn't give them to me. I did care, but you weren't going to give them, you say for yourself voting you wouldn't have worked, ergo voting you is suboptimal. you misunderstand the depth at which I play and understand other players

[robyn]

Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

For being outed mafia

stress testing

[Jackofhearts2005]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

This feels like a weird hedge.

Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.

I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.

You're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?

And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.

Regarding lucy, I think I lean town there too, but I suppose getting to know other players could be kind of like hiding behind mechanics. You look like you are doing something, but you aren't really doing anything to progress the game.

I'll hold my slight town lead, but I'm not giving lucy any passes. I'd love to hear how she interpreted the responses she got. I should also probably ISO and see if she has given any actual reads or thoughts so far.

You're hedging here. What leads you to this lean?

And yeah, I just Comic Sansed your entire post. Deal with it.

Read on and you'll see my mind change.

It isn't hedging. It is that I think it's too early to have more than a slight town lean on anyone. I don't want to put myself in any pockets.

But I am leaning more mafia on lucy now. I can't decide if I suspect her or Triplehaven more atm.

This series of posts is funny but I'm agreeing with Daisy here so I'mma leave it alone. Like that's almost exactly my mindset except I used the second section as a reason to not fully scumread Lucy whereas Daisy used it to not fully townread Lucy.

[robyn]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

[Jackofhearts2005]

Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

What like in the back of a Volkswagon?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

Here's town me eating an apple

[robyn]

moon is just not understanding that I can in fact tell exactly what she fucking said off that interaction, dizzy is seeing what I'll do, epi's vote on me is the weird one, @Epignosis what is your reason for voting me, and continuing to do so?

[robyn]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

Here's town me eating an apple

mafia you can eat an apple, the subtext was "how is it suspicious now that you know I do it as town?"

funnily enough you proved my point

[Jackofhearts2005]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

Here's town me eating an apple

mafia you can eat an apple, the subtext was "how is it suspicious now that you know I do it as town?"

funnily enough you proved my point

I am pretty funny, aren't I?

[robyn]

null-scum lean on dizzy

[Moonwink]

@lucy Are you getting any vibes on how I tend to play yet? :3 How do you plan on figuring out my playstyle if I choose to continue refusing to answer direct questions? <3

every action tells me about your playstyle, as of now my approach was to let you find wolves, because I believe you play independently of the thread you are therefore primarily a solver. and because your vote is on me you try to find wolves before town. to leave you be and to push you is correct play, and I am curious about your read accuracy because to me that is the only question that matters given what I know about you.

Theeere we go. I like this out of you. The only incorrect thing is about finding wolves before town. It actually tends to be the opposite for me, buuuut... I won't deny that my approach sometimes out wolves early unintentionally. :3

Don't leave me be though. If you've got questions, do ask them, even if you don't think I'll answer them. I'm perfectly fine with elaborating on stuff if I don't think it will affect the game state in a way that I don't want. <3

(I'm unvoting you now, by the way!)

[TripleHaven]

@MartinGG99 Have I played with/against scum!you before? I don't remember at the moment -- all the times I remember playing with you, you were town.

We haven't played with either's scum game as of the moment.

TripleHaven has however, as we were both mafia in a past game, so it kinda surprised me that they v-read me already over something they saw me post rather than any interaction with me. If they're judging that post based on my mafia skill level, I'd say it would at least a bit lower than it should be.

Don't take me snap reading you town as a sign of me not respecting your play; I thought that post about moonwink felt genuine. Whether or not that can fakeable by scum, or can be fake by you specifically, is not relevant to me.

[TripleHaven]

Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.

I've only played with them once or twice.

[Moonwink]

Also, I'm pretty fine with Rico at the moment. They are paying attention, and I largely agree with their reads and stuff.

[VOTE: Lucy] aubergine

For being outed mafia

stress testing

moon is just not understanding that I can in fact tell exactly what she fucking said off that interaction, dizzy is seeing what I'll do, epi's vote on me is the weird one, @Epignosis what is your reason for voting me, and continuing to do so?

Agree with your interpretation on Dizzy's vote -- figured they were just helping me pressure you to see what would happen. I haven't really bothered thinking too deeply about anything else they've done yet.

Epi was the first person to vote you, actually -- if he hadn't voted you, I probably would've just continued bantering with you without a vote since I didn't know whether anyone would join me on you or not.

[Moonwink]

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

You should have voted me if you wanted some answers to your questions. <3 It wouldn't have worked, but it would've at least shown me that you at least cared about the answers.

"it wouldn't have worked"

lmfaoooooo, you do know how obvious this was?
not giving answers is information, why would I care about the specific answers when you intentionally wouldn't give them to me. I did care, but you weren't going to give them, you say for yourself voting you wouldn't have worked, ergo voting you is suboptimal. you misunderstand the depth at which I play and understand other players

Also, it wasn't that I misunderstood. I simply didn't know and decided I'd test to see how deep you actually do play and understand other. :3

[TripleHaven]

I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.

I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.

[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine

Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.

slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.

For the record, I understood that your post was a joke. I still think it comes from town more often than it does mafia.

You are, once again, arguing for points from a town POV, which makes you town.

(Martin has already corrected a few people on this, but please use she or they for me, thanks )

[TonyStarkPrime]

Flying spirit back home. If I don’t post again, you know what’s happened

[Moonwink]

Flying spirit back home. If I don’t post again, you know what’s happened

Oh no. ;-;

[TripleHaven]

Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

Rico and me go way back.

[Spacedaisy]

I think Rico is a terrible Day 1 elim, frankly. He's a strong player and if he is town, he's worth having around.

I don't understand Triplehaven's read on me at all. I thought at first it was just nonsense. But then he actually tried to cast it as a real read. The things is, he could have used any of my very honest posts about my experience, strengths, weaknesses, etc. instead he used what was clearly a joke post? I think this could be a case of TMI.

[VOTE: Triplehaven] aubergine

Epi responded to the questions exactly as I would expect him to. I see nothing from him so far that I find AI.

slight town lean on Dizzy and Boq atm.

For the record, I understood that your post was a joke. I still think it comes from town more often than it does mafia.

You are, once again, arguing for points from a town POV, which makes you town.

(Martin has already corrected a few people on this, but please use she or they for me, thanks )

I missed Martin's correction, I apologize and will endeavor to use your correct pronouns.

[Moonwink]

null-scum lean on dizzy

Don't know what to think about dyslexicon showboating. I townread them at first for it but now I'm starting to think it's just a playstyle thing.

I've only played with them once or twice.

With that kind of talk, Martin's gonna become the most likely nightkill N1 instead of Dizzy if he's town!

Also,
[VOTE: Dolby] aubergine

[Moonwink]

Actually, I take that vote back. I feel like I don't have any reason not to vote THIS way,
[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Were you trying to pocket me earlier? :3

[TripleHaven]

Rio's content has gotten significantly better since my vote on them. Not willing to commit to a full townread but ill probably back off

TSP and dolby both feel like LHF at this point but us yeeting a lowposter feels sort of inevitable until more people get itt and we get a bigger towncore. so like I can't exactly scumread it

[Moonwink]

Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

@TripleHaven
I wanna collaborate with you to make a 5 person towncore right now.
Here are my rules though:
1.) I'm okay with it having at most two scum in it right now.
2.) It can NOT include Martin, Dizzy, Ricochet, or Lucy

Right now, assuming we're both in the town core, I want to include SpaceDaisy and Epi, because based on the vibes I get from their interactions, I don't think there's more than one wolf between them, if any. Do you agree with this?

I don't know if you read me town or scum right now. If you do, then Epi and I are the two scum you can have in this towncore -- you with me so far? Going with these assumptions, and the conditions I laid out in rule #2, who would be a good 5th person? Would that 5th person change depending if I was scum or not?

[TripleHaven]

Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

@TripleHaven
I wanna collaborate with you to make a 5 person towncore right now.
Here are my rules though:
1.) I'm okay with it having at most two scum in it right now.
2.) It can NOT include Martin, Dizzy, Ricochet, or Lucy

Right now, assuming we're both in the town core, I want to include SpaceDaisy and Epi, because based on the vibes I get from their interactions, I don't think there's more than one wolf between them, if any. Do you agree with this?

I don't know if you read me town or scum right now. If you do, then Epi and I are the two scum you can have in this towncore -- you with me so far? Going with these assumptions, and the conditions I laid out in rule #2, who would be a good 5th person? Would that 5th person change depending if I was scum or not?

I don't agree to the logic that we should be towncoring people without individually townreading them first. I'm not completely opposed to epi in towncore but you'd have to make the case he is town. Until that point I am perfectly OK with adding space to towncore.

GTH I think you're town.

You've basically left me with no options after banning those 4 players and disagreeing to epi. The only option that has posted more than like 5 times out of that group is jack, who hasn't given much to work with so far. Is there absolutely no way I could convince you on anyone in 2)?

[Moonwink]

Most players have admitted they either wont be active at all or wont be active until later today

so im sort of just biding my time until then

unordered readlist

martin
dyslexicon
spacedaisy

epig
ricochet

@TripleHaven
I wanna collaborate with you to make a 5 person towncore right now.
Here are my rules though:
1.) I'm okay with it having at most two scum in it right now.
2.) It can NOT include Martin, Dizzy, Ricochet, or Lucy

Right now, assuming we're both in the town core, I want to include SpaceDaisy and Epi, because based on the vibes I get from their interactions, I don't think there's more than one wolf between them, if any. Do you agree with this?

I don't know if you read me town or scum right now. If you do, then Epi and I are the two scum you can have in this towncore -- you with me so far? Going with these assumptions, and the conditions I laid out in rule #2, who would be a good 5th person? Would that 5th person change depending if I was scum or not?

I don't agree to the logic that we should be towncoring people without individually townreading them first. I'm not completely opposed to epi in towncore but you'd have to make the case he is town. Until that point I am perfectly OK with adding space to towncore.

GTH I think you're town.

You've basically left me with no options after banning those 4 players and disagreeing to epi. The only option that has posted more than like 5 times out of that group is jack, who hasn't given much to work with so far. Is there absolutely no way I could convince you on anyone in 2)?

People in #2 are probably gonna die sooner rather than later if they are town, I bet, regardless if they are in our towncore or not. I want a semi-longlasting towncore right now. A towncore with any of those four people isn't gonna matter if they die N1. :3

[Epignosis]

However Epi and Moon being evasive is generally townie, usually when I do this to scum at the start of the day -scum that won't be suspicious d1 who can freely post- tend to answer my questions because that appears *open*.

I'd be inclined to believe lucy's thing here. There's a "fill out this form" and here are the results. Love it. But...

I have a hang up.

Here's the thing hanging, well, up:

What does lucy take away from the people who answered "non-evasively" or "open?" (However you wish to put it).

So I'll be interested in knowing lucy's takeaways from this exercise for people like Spacedaisy, who answered in earnest and didn't make a joke like I did.

[Epignosis]

Right now it's like trying to read into/not read into very small things. I'm a bit impatient.

So broad question: How are we, THE TOWN, going to win this? What will you bring to the thread to help us win?

I am going to accuse someone of something that violates my core values.

This is inaccurate.

I am going to accuse someone of something in a way that violates my core values.

What like in the back of a Volkswagon?

You don't know my core values.

[Epignosis]

I don't give a shit about "town core." Sounds like shitty village music.

I'm going to eat mafia alive, don't you worry.

[Epignosis]

What even was the event today? I was working. What came of it?

[Epignosis]

Slightly bad vibes from Lucy asking everyone for skill levels and specialties cause I don't see town me ever bothering with that but I'm probably just being paranoid.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=16163250

oh look here's town me doing the same

That link didn't work for me, but it's not relevant anyway. I don't care what you did before as a civilian in another game.

I care what you're doing with the information you're gathering in this game.

That's why my vote is still on you.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Update: Epi kinda did snap at Lucy so idk and update 2 due to spirit airlines I am now stuck in Orlando

[Ricochet]

I'd ask everyone townreading Daisy on why they're townreading Daisy.

Ricochet gets my first green shield stamp of approval for asking this question.

Stamp and shout, Sir Ricochet. Stamp and shout.

Think TripleHaven answered in more recent posts, still nothing from Boquise.

lucy - early high-posters, but it all amounts to inquiring on meta; in light of no read process off of info received, there's no inherent cred to award to this effort

why's it sus, don't you remember quotes verbatim for at least a few days? furthermore I was not "appearing to solve" or anything, instead I was copy pasting the exact same question at players, I don't understand how that is suspicious when it's so fucking blatantly doing nothing for anyone else, rather I'm strictly helping myself solve in a lobby of players I haven't played with before

It was on the sus side at that halfway point because - whilst admittedly absent since - it was the only thing you did and it did not develop. Profiling or asking for meta info doesn't have inherent value until you develop reads or read into the reactions received.

What even was the event today? I was working. What came of it?

Dizzy and I can coordinate a vig shot till end of Day 1 as long as we agree on the target.

[Boquise]

Epi I learned a lot about formulating reads from you and based on this and Bayesian stuff I’m gonna tell you that I sorta expect your read on Moonwink to be wrong (I have read zero moonwink posts)

Does that mean he's a town read in this game right now?

[Boquise]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

[Spacedaisy]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

What has you putting your vote there?

[MartinGG99]

I'm surprised that TH is the top-poster at 18 posts so far lol

If I wanted to make a stupid leap of faith and ignore my past reading mistakes with them I would say they're probably town for this

which I might just to avoid thinking about that

How hard is it to be the top poster with 18 posts?

Why is being the top poster meaningful?

It's more-so that it seems to me unless you're just "one of those people" most mafia have difficulty reaching top-posting for d1. At least, not intentionally. 18 posts by that point, by a player I don't expect to top-post and yet is top-posting with that almost half-way into d1, makes my gut yell they're town. Partially because I've also done that sort of read before and have been right about it.

It's kinda dumb, but it seems to hold up in my experience. Top-posting beyond d1 though I tend to ignore, as wolves can post more easily with the greater amount of content/discussion topics that have occurred by then.