I understand; I fall into that trap sometimes as well.Summer wrote:So THAT is what metagaming is! I have heard the term, never knew what it meant! Okay, yeah, I am guilty of this!! I try NOT to do it, but after so many games with the same people, you can't help but do it. Also, when I see something, I try to use examples as touchstones for other people so they'll know what I am talking about.S~V~S wrote:Actually, that can be a good move for you I think. I know that i was TOTALLY unable to keep up with the Ksite game using my playstyle from here, and i did not know enough about your players to play in your style, since the Ksite style seems to have a large element of metagaming in it~ "I suspect X because in the past they did not do this unless they were scum", and only knowing my own people, I could not ONLY suspect them.
And to some extent it does seem that most of the Ksite folk are mainly suspecting each other, or those they have previously played with.
And yeah, I also think AP has a point, I tend to see giant walls of text with little new content or mega multi quote posts with little new content as somewhat pingy. If there is a good theory in with the quotes, or a case being built, awesome. If it is just "I agree with this", or "I disagree with this" I see it as trying to look civvie.
And I don't think only Ksiters are suspecting Ksiters. I know I have commented on a few non-Ksiters and I believe the others have, too. And while I may voice concerns over what I see as suspicious behavior, it doesn't mean I necessarily find them all that suspicious. I just know now I am used to a big discussion going on which is where a lot of this stuff gets brought up. Its a very different play-style and I have feeling by the end of this, I may be a little annoying to y'all with the way I play.
I kinda feel like I have to respond to this in a weird way, lol. I want to say I agree with you, but I don't you think I am trying to look like a civvie. I guess when I say I agree with someone, it means I like their point. So, I like your point and your train of thought.
Oh, re: KSiters suspecting KSiters, I didn't necessarily mean just that, I mean -- it seems you folk have mostly so far been commenting on each other and those of us (well, mainly me, and to some degree, Mongoose) who played over there. I do look forward to what insights you have to bring with regards to other players.
No worries!
That's... weird. I've never heard of a problem like that. Perhaps it's funky due to time zones and ending right around midnight?DFaraday wrote:Should be fixed now. I had it set for two days, so now I set it to three (which apparently means two). I don't get the numbering.MovingPictures07 wrote:
WOW: Hold on... DF, is that poll right? I think it only goes 24 hours.
Agreed, though I think it will be far from tribalism -- I'm far from convinced a vote for any of them will do any good, at this point. But maybe that's just me. Just a transitionary period when everyone has to get used to everyone else and a different style of playing.Boomslang wrote:Jeebus, you people are posting a great deal. I definitely think we're still in settling down period, but something interesting is emerging from the Ksite/Syndicate differences. I'd just hate for things to devolve into tribalism at this point. With the lack of information at Day One, it's important to keep an open mind.
Hmmm... very good question. SVS seemed to chime in here that Mongoose seems more "sweet" when bad.FZ. wrote:Something about my previous post went wrong. Parts of my post are in the quote.
And also, I forgot to add something. I didn't like Mongoose first post where she explains why she voted the way she did in the poll. But it was just something small. Now, since we're playing two games simultaneously, I think I'm observing a different behavior in each of them. Not sure what this means because I'm not familiar with her game style. But while when someone accused her of something in the other game, she got sarcastic and annoyed, in here, she avoided my comment and answered really sweetly to Summer. It could just be the type of accusation, but my question to those who know her would be:
When is she more sarcastic and when more "sweet" (don't know how better to phrase it)?
I can't say I've ever noticed much of a difference in that regard. I do think Mongoose is more lighthearted and zany as a civvie, but that's not to say she's necessarily "sweeter".
Anyone else who knows Mongoose want to chime in here?
I second that, definitely not annoying! I'm always glad to have new folks around here.S~V~S wrote: No, not annoying. Just different. Seeing ones self out of fresh eyes can be a mixed blessing, though.
Very much a culture thing, I think. See, for me (and many of us, as a whole, I think, although not all since WE are also a mix of cultures~ many of us played Mafia before The Syndicate existed, and we pretty much all came from either Lostpedia or STV, which while similar, did have many differences in how they played. Quite a few of us never played before TS, and so we are forging our own thing here) when a person throws out a lot of “stream of consciousness” accusations early in the game it feels bad to me. We call it “mud flinging” or something similar; throwing mud and seeing what sticks.
Some people are easier targets for this than others :whistle: People who tend to get defensive find that it happens to them quite a bit. Which is the point of mud flinging as we ALSO tend, on the average, to view defensiveness as baddie behavior.
From a probability standpoint, one of the KSiters, maybe two, are probably baddies. So far I find FZs trying on a new style for fit to be interesting, but not really suspicious. Nor do I find you, or anyone else from KSite, particularly suspect for being yourselves.
Linki @FZ re Mongoose~ I have hosted her as a baddie, and mislynched her as a civ, and I do tend to think she DOES play a sweeter game when bad. So I may do some back reading of her later, that is an interesting observation you make.
Don't forget, there's also the ProgArchives group, and I've found they have a very distinct mafia culture that's quite different from LP/STV as well.
Then of course you have the various others, many of which I or others know personally, so that's a mixed bag and hard to summarize.
Can you think of any examples re: your Mongoose comments here? I'm not sure I've ever noticed anything like that, but I do tend to think she has distinct playing styles when she has different alignments.
What's throwing me off about Mongoose LATELY is that she seems to have different styles on different sites. What she is posting here seems much more of what I'm used to, whereas in the RM and KSite games lately she seemed a bit off to me.
Devin and I know each other IRL, so it's very likely a playful jab at me. Not sure it tells me anything about Devin at all.Bullzeye wrote:Very true, also in my experience MP is way noisier as a civ. I'd be curious if he was quiet but he seems to be making waves so right now I think he's not likely to be bad. Your idea of voting MP to piss him off seems... I dunno, interesting. I guess you could argue it's no different from voting a quiet person on day one when there's little to go on but it seems like an easy way to justify throwing a vote onto someone. Not that I'm suspicious of you for saying it, I just don't agree with the idea.Devin the Omniscient wrote:Ok. ksiters, slow down a bit on your MP suspicions and give him a chance to show his play style. He gets lynched A LOT as a civ because of his aggressive mannerisms and I'd hate to lose a potentially valuable civ this early because new people aren't used to him. If you find my defense of him suspicious, go ahead vote for me and see where that gets you
But as I said before, if nothing else catches my then I'm going to vote MP just to piss him off. I see I've already caught his GF's attention
In fact, if I had to guess right now at gunpoint, I'd lean civvie on Devin based on his post content. But he's an outstanding (and crazy) player, so I always keep my eye on him whenever we have the pleasure (is that the right word?) of playing together.
And you think I'm way noisier as a civ? Interesting. I generally think my posting frequency mostly depends on what's going on for me IRL, but I don't know.
Agreed on load of bunk... but I've seen it happen time and time again here too, and even I am guilty of it.FWvidChick wrote:
That is an issue we've had on the otherside. Agreement means good, not understanding means bad. Which we've proven ourselves is a load of bunk tho we sometimes forget. LOl
I never thought, personally, anyone is just sitting around but I do admit to the fact I've no idea what to do beyond what i am use toWe recognize the fact not all play the same. Trust me we do. It is jsut different. Some of us i think tho will adapt better then others lol. But i can say the same for you guys on ksite..you have brought a freshness we needed and i've loved having you. I don't think any of you have anything to worry about over there.
I do find it interesting you guys seem to be more so eyeballing the ones you know rather than the vast you do not... I suppose it's inevitable, especially this early on in the game. But something to keep in mind (More on this in my mini-paragraph not directly below, but two below).
All of that being said, I want to emphasize again I incredibly value your input and the new perspective you're bringing to this game! And feel free to play however you want (in fact, I encourage playing however most makes you feel comfortable), but recognize that we don't all play that way -- and that, obviously even within communities, players always play differently than each other.
What goes 24 hours? this is so fast for me its kinda funny. I feel this huge urge to rush..
I do feel like you've brought fresh new eyes that have been helpful so far, so I greatly look forward to your thoughts on other players as you get to know them as well.
So who still hasn't checked in?
WOW: Hold on... DF, is that poll right? I think it only goes 24 hours.
Gotta go now, be back around at some other time, probably later this evening.
And go with however you want to play! Obviously though the things that will be different are the public roles, timing of Day/Night periods, etc.
DF's poll only lasted 24 instead of 48; it's fixed now.
Thanks for your clarification(on all counts)!! Makes more sense to me now.kneel4justice wrote:I made that post because I was not getting enough. There were a couple of thoughts in my head at the moment... particularly about Sorsha and MP but none of them were with confidence because nothing was really happening. I cannot scumhunt alone, I do need others, especially since I am new here. Which is why I asked that question.Summer wrote:I have to ask... Were you not getting anything out of anything?
Because, I am re-reading and I am actually seeing a bit more than I did. Maybe not scum-hunting that we are used to, but I have some opinions forming, for sure.First of all, I think you and some other players are acting like I want to lynch you. That's not the case, I haven't even voted for you, so I am far from asking others to join me in lynching you. So the whole, take a step back just doesn't make sense with my current stance. All I am doing is noting what I find to be weird with your posting, and it very well may be your style, I even expressed that. I am confused as to how everyone thinks I am out for your blood, when that's not the case. TBH that itself concerns me, but oh well...MovingPictures07 wrote:It is just my style (as I've explained and elaborated). If you are a civvie, take a step back here and try to reconcile your thoughts to understand that fact.
I find it interesting you say you "want" to suspect me; I'm not quite sure I understand that statement. Why?
And by that statement, I was saying, your posting coming from a KSITE posted would define scumminess for me over there, so I wish I could make that determination here and have something solid like I am used to over there. I want to, because I want to find scum, but I can't do that because I am not familiar with you. That's what I meant.In her post she said that I would probably find her suspicious for her statement, I returned saying I did not find her suspicious for it, but I also didn't find her townie for it. I could see the statement coming from scum Summer or townie Summer. Therefore I am indifferent to what it means for her alignment? Maybe indifferent is being used in the wrong context..I am just trying to say it does not influence me one way or another...I hope I didn't use the wrong word...lolMovingPictures07 wrote: Also, as I looked over my post again, I noticed this (bolded).
You say here in the bolded that you do not find Summer suspicious, yet you are indifferent to what it says about her alignment? How is that even possible? If something clearly influences your opinion of whether you do or do not suspect someone, how can it make you indifferent as to alignment?
Not saying this is necessarily suspicious (yet), just trying to understand.
And as to people thinking you're gunning after me, well, again, I think it's coming down to a misunderstanding/cultural difference. Usually players don't express that level of certainty this early in the game (though we are at least now on Day 1, not Day 0), and it did seem you were pretty definitive on my case.
Now I can't tell if you're trying to back off since it's gotten heated or if you have maintained the same level of suspicion for me throughout.
Ahhhh, dreaded linkitis!!