Corrupt!? Mafia (ENDGAME)

[DrWilgy]

Evidential townlock is Johann and Nanook I'm seeing.

Were there others?

[DrWilgy]

Hell yeah I have, thank you all for not breaking my achy breaky heart.

My current pool is Hyena/Mac/Jack/technically boo cause he won’t play the game, ama

You have an order of preference for these? mine would be Hyena > Jack > Mac > Boo.

I'm just going to take this at face value and say that if Wilgy is scum and listed his partner in those four, Boo is the most likely person to be with him.

Oh, missed this.

Boo was last because he wasn't in my shoot pool. Just wanted to involve myself in Nanooks ama at full.

[DrWilgy]

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Incorrect, because I'm town. :P

Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

Hyena is a bowl of jello, Jack is a pineapple tart, Johann is a slightly disappointing curry, Mac is, of course, an entire chicken in a can, as his signature says.

Lime Jello

Bad answer.

Overreaction to my response, lol.

As it currently stands. If I had the gun I'd either kill Hyena or Johann.

Someone tell me why I'm correct or incorrect to do so.

Duskfall, what's your feel on Hyena, Drago, Jack, Johann, and Mac? In that order? Also please relate your read of each one of these to a food dish.

sounds like you've got a case of stranger danger.

that said, hyena would be on my short list too. i was reviewing the eod events from yesterday. i have an observation to make. Everyone get ready. A thing is about to be observed in this thread.

I'm not a stranger to Hyena. After getting Covid with them, I do believe we share similar methods and processes when it comes to lines of thought.

Johann... maybe lol

*Patiently waits for observations*

No discussion about how I'm different here compared to Corona Virus mafia.

You are playing more technical. Your net also felt smaller. I.e. your targetting and fishing feels more purposeful than in CVM.

[Sloonei]

Is that all of them?

Talk to me. What's our line? Jack is my proffered shot but I haven't fully read for the past cycle and a half.

I should note that I've also lost a bit of my feel for this game over the last few real time days. Too much else going on in my life right now. But based on the isolated view around drago, Jack and Mac are easily in the lead for shot candidacy.

But in saying that I want to note that I was the fourth person to vote for Johann in the current poll. Before me were johann himself, accompanied by... Jack and Mac. It's not outrageous to believe that one or two scum players would opt to vote for johann at this stage: given his drago interactions, he's the most obvious candidate on the poll. If you're drago's partner, you vote there and hope he can be convinced to vote for somebody else.

I'm going to ISO boo and G-man next to see what that turns up.

[MacDougall]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

There are 162 posts and I have 37 of them ~22%), while that’s a terrible baseball record it is a pretty solid yards per carry

What a time to be alive

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Also, I don't like how the votes are tied again. That seems to keep happening in spite of me calling for people to avoid doing it.

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute

What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

[Sloonei]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

There are 162 posts and I have 37 of them ~22%), while that’s a terrible baseball record it is a pretty solid yards per carry

What a time to be alive

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Also, I don't like how the votes are tied again. That seems to keep happening in spite of me calling for people to avoid doing it.

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute

What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.

[MacDougall]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

Hey, you have the most votes on the poll right now. What do you think about those voting for you?

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Why don't you unvote yourself to make it not tied?

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

He risked tying the vote and giving town no gun to make sure I didn't get the gun, I'm his top townread. Regardless of you Vs me wanting the gun aside, why the hell would a town player risk the tie here last minute to take the gun out of your top towns hand? Even if he thinks you are slightly better with the gun I should be a nearly perfect to get the gun he should never CFD off me last minute

What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.

Like come in and catch up and realise I'm the sane person and all my arguments against Boo were legit and back me up and shit gdi.

Sloobot malfunctioning. I can't play wolf like this Sloonei. I haven't managed a wolf game anything close to this in years. I've been nothing but honest and sincere. God's honest truth that is.

[Sloonei]

Mac & Drago

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

I think they’re very smart and good people!

So GTH they're all town?

Do you think Nanook is a wolf?

@MacDougall your Hyena scum read goes against my town read on her. Talk to me about your read.

Hyena seems aright it's just that FG/Hyena feel like teammates. The "oh revenge shoot lol" thing seems like bs. They went on about it too much. If FG flips town I'll probably drop the read entirely.

Dragomir just do your own work for now I don't care enough to explain myself.

@MacDougall do you think Nutella is good or bad?

I think it would be foolhardy to give her a town read here but as of right now she is not someone I will shoot.

Move your vote to Dusk, and I will unvote myself and move to Dusk, too.

Nah. I like my Mac vote.

Hyena and Duskfall fear me having the gun. Funny.

Sloonei nutella isn't getting the gun because we're in a game with a lot of non regs and most of them don't trust and are triggered by her usual behaviours, just shouting about it isn't going to help. You had a chance to give me the gun because I had FG, Hyena, Dragomir etc. but frankly you blew it. Not me, you. You did this. And should be sad and ashamed of yourself.

It's false logic so it triggers me.

WTF did Boo and Dragomir do to you in scum chat?? Where is Mac?

What a strange and reachy horrible scummy post this is lol.

Btw reversing my drago read good chance he's scum

Yeah I'm cool with this. Shoot Drago, Mac?

Dragomir was a big supporter of arming me. It'd take some convincing.

What was your read on him prior to EOD and did he know it?

I listed him in my top town 2 or 3 minutes before he cfded

Yeah ok Drago def on the shortlist.

Btw nutella you stinking butt head. I AM reading the thread.

So far here's the score:

FG - Sus
Hyena - Sus
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus

Still going.

I'm bored with the convo about Johann self-shooting. I'm so bored with it, I refuse to reread it and make reads from it.

Hyena is town. Lock it and throw the key away.

Say stuff about this

So basically here are my narrowed down options.

G-man - Not spicy but I think he's scum
Wilgy - Not spicy and I think he's town
Johann - Lil bit spicy and I think he's scum
Hyena - Spicy and I suspect
Dragomir - Spicy and I suspect
Jack - Flaming spice and I think he's scum

I have the shot submitted on Jack unless I have a change of heart.

Johann, Nutella, and FG would be all shots I'd be fine with. I'd only shoot Jack after those three and G-Man.

I don't think I'd shoot Mac or Dusk ever. Nanook would be a SUPER spicy shot, especially considering that he's starting to trend into that tone territory where I get iffy about him, like I did in Corona Virus.

Talk to me more about Johann, as well as your Nanook read.

I think I'd keep Sloonei around another day.

Why did you frame it like this, versus just town reading him? What is your reservation?

Boo and Drago are no-gos for me right now. I'd never shoot them right now, but if I had to pick one to die over the other right now, it would always be Drago to shoot over Boo since I'm less sure about Drago. Boo just feels pure right now to me.

Why did you feel the need to pair these two off? Particularly why did you feel the need to go from no go-s to choosing between them? I don't understand your thought process here.

boo - no
Dragomir - no
DrWilgy - no
Duskfall - ...
Funnygurl555 - no
G-Man - ...
Hyena - ...
Jackofhearts2005 - ...
Johann - ...
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - ...
nutella - no
Sloonei - no

Duskfall... nah
G-man... nah
Wilgy... nah
Hyena ... nah
Johann maybe
Jack maybe
Nanook maybe... nah.

Kind of in two minds about Johann and Jack here.

I think I look worst here but that's because Dragomir did work to pocket me. I think there's a good chance the Johann case was just distancing. Dragomir didn't respond to it like a scum responds to a townie casing them.

Bit sus on his interactions with Boo and FG too. I'd focus on those three.

This is uninspiring. Mac suggests some suspicion of Drago while he's holding the gun, but I don't see much evidence that he's actively considering a shot in that direction. At one point he acknowldges a case against Drago and places him "on the shortlist", but then Mac's very next post is a general summary of players he has decisive thoughts on, and Drago is omitted. There's no sustained pressure on Drago from Mac on Day 2, or really any pressure at all. He made a quick point to downplay the associative reads between them, which is yuck. I still maintain a firm suspicion on Mac based on the entirety of his handling of nutella Day/Night 1. His interactions with Drago are not encouraging either. If I could get the gun, I'd probably shoot mac.

Fuck this nightmare. You were meant to join me not turn on me.

Join you in what? When did I turn on you? I've been consistently naming you as a suspect for a while. But I'm not getting the gun, so you don't need to worry too much about old sloon. Tell us who deserves to be shot instead of you and hope for the best.

Like come in and catch up and realise I'm the sane person and all my arguments against Boo were legit and back me up and shit gdi.

Sloobot malfunctioning. I can't play wolf like this Sloonei. I haven't managed a wolf game anything close to this in years. I've been nothing but honest and sincere. God's honest truth that is.

I haven't gotten to any of that yet. I am looking squarely at Days 1 & 2 and Dragomir interactions.

[Sloonei]

I have seen nothing in here that would be out of bounds for the Macdougall that was my teammate in the GoC two months ago.

[Hyena]

Hey, Mac --

More tinfoil time, lol. What if Mac was actually just bullshitting throughout N1 about wanting to and being so close to shooting Jack? What if they're actually mafia partners? If Jack ever did flip mafia, Mac could just go back and point to N1 about how he wanted to shoot Jack but was talked down by other people.

And you know what? That is the kind of play that I would expect from Mac, lol. I'm gonna laugh if this is the case.

[Hyena]

You are playing more technical. Your net also felt smaller. I.e. your targetting and fishing feels more purposeful than in CVM.

I like this answer. o:

[Hyena]

FG - Sus -1 -1
Hyena - Sus +1 -1 Ugh Fuck you Hyena
Nanook - Cleared
Johann - Cleared
Nutella - Sus
Jack - Cleared
G-man - Sus
Sloonei - Sus
Nutella - Sus
Boo - Seems ok
Wilgy - Null as usual fuck you Wilgy

Lol I can't believe I have the gun this is great.

Lol, thanks Dad.

Run by me why Nanook, Johann, and Jack are clear.

lol, it would be funny if, like, Mac and Wilgy are the last two mafia. I don't think this is the case though? I think this is the first time Wilgy mentioned Mac in his ISO. And he's going against Jack again here.

Correct.

Tell me why Jack isn't scum and is there currently any avenue to having him shot?

If Jack is scum, then Mac is most likely his partner since I already ruled out you and Boo being his partner.

[Hyena]

[VOTE: Johann] aubergine

[Hyena]

I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

[Sloonei]

I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

X plane

[Hyena]

I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

X plane

I liked his responses to me, especially his answer about the difference he saw in me between here and Corona Virus Mafia.

[DrWilgy]

I'm okay with taking Wilgy out of the PoE now, I think.

X plane

Yes please.

I'm very uncomfortable with this.

[DrWilgy]

Linki: still...

[Hyena]

Linki: still...

[Johann]

For me it is between boo and dougall

I didnt like boo's conversation with me at all. I offered him a hand and just answer why dougall is scum to him without playing the victim. He failed that

Dougall on other hand. I just smell something weird there. I cant put my finger on it at all. But when i read his posts i def see some traces what i would do as scum.

I wont shoot anyone else between those two. I an well aware of the case against Jack but i wanna keep my decision small. Someone else can take Jack after this night.

[Hyena]

For me it is between boo and dougall

I didnt like boo's conversation with me at all. I offered him a hand and just answer why dougall is scum to him without playing the victim. He failed that

Dougall on other hand. I just smell something weird there. I cant put my finger on it at all. But when i read his posts i def see some traces what i would do as scum.

I wont shoot anyone else between those two. I an well aware of the case against Jack but i wanna keep my decision small. Someone else can take Jack after this night.

Those are fine shots. As long as you don't shoot outside of those two and Jack, I'm cool with any shot you want to take. <3

[DrWilgy]

Alrighty then. A vote for me is a vote for a dead Jack.

[Johann]

Hyena isnt in my scum list anymore. I just dont see it anymore after his posts
Slooney is rip
FG flips flops a lot and sooner or later it will have to stop
Nanook is nanook
Wilgy is interesting

[MacDougall]

Well fuck all y'all who can't read me for shit hahahaha.

Out here got Boo dead in the water. Fucking gymnastics and shit God damn it boomhauer.

[Johann]

Wilgy was afk most of the game and no one really gave a shit

[Funnygurl555]

*winces* johann ok start tinfoiling

[Hyena]

Well fuck all y'all who can't read me for shit hahahaha.

Out here got Boo dead in the water. Fucking gymnastics and shit God damn it boomhauer.

Long live the spiral!

[Funnygurl555]

also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves

[Funnygurl555]

like for example i was wrong about hyena and then i did that iso and was like "HAHA WELP" but wouldn't it be hella annoying if i were still on that train?

exactly

please don't shoot mac

[Johann]

If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill

[Johann]

I'll rather say wilgy is townie and mafia going for him would ve too obvious

[Hyena]

If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill

Nanook was scum in Corona Virus mafia and pushed against an inactive Poison-chan during D1. Granted, they turned out to be scum, too, lol.

[Hyena]

I'll rather say wilgy is townie and mafia going for him would ve too obvious

Okay, so if Wilgy is town, then I feel like the worlds are 1. exactly Jack and Mac, or 2. Boo + someone outside of Jack and Mac.

[Johann]

If you are mafia do you make a case against inactive townie or is it too obvious. Or do you keep your mouth shut if he is your teammate and dont wanna risk policy kill

Nanook was scum in Corona Virus mafia and pushed against an inactive Poison-chan during D1. Granted, they turned out to be scum, too, lol.

Yea but no one touched wilgy besides Jack from what i can remember

[Funnygurl555]

two years ago i was scum with an inactive partner. i bussed her and got her killed (i didn't mean to ;__;) and powerwolfed my way to endgame where i got S T O M P E D by a third party who won instead

johann your speculation is wifom imo, and i think answers would vary with what kinda players you're talking about

[Sloonei]

boo ISO

Spoiler: show

Anyway Mac is scum discuss.

Yea, but you're bussing.

I've talked quite a lot about nutella in this game, and the way Day 1 unfolded. I was more vocally supportive of her than I ordinarily would be of anyone on Day 1 because A) I didn't have many reads at the time, but "nutella is town" was the strongest of the bunch and B) the widespread suspicion I saw against her seemed entirely misguided. People were hurling accusations at her for doing all of the things that make Civilian Nutella a great player. It was goofy.
As we've already seen Drago was a prominent member of the anti-nutella campaign, I've become even more wary of it in hindsight. But I also need to check that a little: It is unlikely that the mafia team alone would have launched a full assault on nutella like that. They would need to lean on some civilian support. boo was also a card-carrying member of the anti-nutella committee. I'm not sure how that reflects back on him just yet. But it originates with this post, which... has no substance whatsoever.

Spoiler: show

I have gamesolve anyway.

boo - scum
Dragomir - town
DrWilgy - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Duskfall - town
Funnygurl555 - scum
G-Man - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Hyena - town
Jackofhearts2005 - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
Johann - doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - town
nutella - town
Sloonei - town

Shooting order:

FG > Boo > G-Man > Wilgy > Jack > Johann

Game winning POE already.

You're not great at math, huh? "doesn't matter cuz my towncore is big enough" = "if a single one of my scum reads is wrong [and spoiler alert: at least one is], following this would 100% lose the game. If both are right [nope], but my towncore is wrong, following this would 100% lose the game".

Or you're bad and think everyone else is terrible at figuring out odds?

Anyway Mac is scum discuss.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine: shoot him, kthanks.

oh wait, you had a vote I thought nutella? [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Places a vote on nutella and then quickly removes it. I don't know what's going on here. The premise of the initial vote is that boo wants mac shot. He backs off because nutella doesn't have any other votes? This is super early in the day. I don't understand what's going on in boo's head. This is the player who also criticized me for casting an "inconsequential" vote for wilgy for five minutes with an hour to go before the deadline. boo is an old school syndicat, and vote changes can be something of a devil for that crowd. I have as much first hand experience with that line of skepticism as anyone.

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Hyena] aubergine

Can you back this up? I don't see prior allusion to your read of him in your iso.

He seems to want to shoot you. That sounds good to me rn.

boo's next series of posts continue to stay focused on nutella. Now he wants to give hyena the gun so nutella can get shot. Okay. I remain thoroughly unclear on why nutella is even a suspect at this stage.

Spoiler: show

I don't believe in townreading. It's nonsensical BS people make claims about and then think they're right on, because, *gasp*, yea, obviously you're statistically going to be right most of the time, there are more town. Kind of how the game works.

I wanted to vote for her at that point because I didn't especially like other places votes were going and thought she had one, but you'd already moved off her. Plus I thought she'd consider shooting Mac, which is something I would've been okay with (still am, but less relevant now).

She'd make my shortlist of people to shoot if I got the gun, currently, yes. So you wanting to shoot her specifically works for me. It doesn't affect my read on Mac, it's too early to be looking at connecting people as teammates.

"I don't believe in townreading" is the most bizarro sentence I could read in a mafia game, but it is again something that makes sense coming from an old school syndicat (once upon a time we required players to survive to the end of the game to qualify for a win. civilians played the game more like independents than civilians, and publicly identifying other civilians was seen as giving the mafia team a roadmap to effective kills, and that old attitude still lingers for some). I think that philosophy could also go a long way to explain some of boo's more eyebrow-raising behavior. I am not looking to make excuses for boo or let him off too easily, but it is certainly not impossible to read an honest mindset in his posts.
Civilians win the game by cooperating.

Spoiler: show

I got my PM and do not care when phases start/end.

Self-killing makes zero sense Johann.

We should give the gun to someone with a subset of players they're allowed to choose from to shoot.

If they go outside that, they got shot next.

I think it's better then deciding on a specific player because that keeps mafia from being able to control the conversation easily.

And at 13 players, 10/3 split... Assuming the gun always gets used (no ties, but in most cases that should be easy enough to avoid since we can hammer)... We can only afford like 4 gun uses on a civ? One or two more if we get 1 or 2 of the mafia mixed in with that? Right? It's too early for me to be mathing. But it's a general point.

Then once we have a baddie killed, players who had them in their subset but chose not to shoot them can be looked at more in depth. Plus that's a way to try and force the mafia into bussing if they do get the gun.

this is boo's first post and it's basically stating the obvious about how the game works. imo it's fluff

COMPROMISE is what makes this country GREAT, except when it’s MY IDEALS, in which case we must be UNCOMPROMISING in the face of ADVERSITY

something something towncore, something something if I get the gun I'll shoot you, something something casual mention of someone who hasn't even posted but I am saying is either 100% town or mafia. Actually, no. Strike that. They're the secret independent role that isn't stated in the roles. Probably? But I don't know, because reading host posts is apparently for nerds, so I haven't done that.

this is... what the actual fuck is this. this is a scum post 99% of the time it exists.

Wait, is this all you got against him?

Yes, because she's mafia and I'm an easy mis-shot, and she knows it and is going balls to the wall trying to make it happen because if she doesn't I'll be gunning for her until she gets shot and she knows it.

Again, this is not an unbelievable post for a civilian boo to make. I am unsure how much I want to read into Drago's stepping in on this matter; it reads more like an effort to discredit nutella than a defense of boo. boo is a consequential bystander. But my gut right now tells me this whole exchange is too over-the-top to be double-you/double-you. I've looked at this three times now and the needle is pointing toward a civilian boo.

Spoiler: show

Cause nutella is town so stop pushing that please

Unless she is scum that would be sad but I hope she is town

There are 3 people who want this dude to have the gun?

... however, I continue to not know why any of boo's reads exist. The nutella suspicion seems to be the catalyst for everything else(?). He opposed giving duskfall the gun specifically because he calls nutella town. I assume that I am also on boo's shortlist because I was on nutella's side as well. But it's unclear where the nutella suspicion originated. If that read is the bedrock of boo's game, then it's shaky and elusive.

Spoiler: show

So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?

She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.

He eventually explains why he suspects nutella so firmly, but this doesn't really satisfy me. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe him, and I think I slapped a town read on him shortly after this post(?). My impression of this suspicion at the time was that boo was projecting a certain idea onto nutella, trying to make the piece fit into the hole. It didn't, but he was determined. I felt like there was sincerity in the effort.

Spoiler: show

Funnygurl555 No, I don't think nutella is town. but I don't think you're town either. I wouldn't go so far as to partner you, way too early for that. but one of you is mafia. I'd probably shoot you over her, or at least argue for your inclusion in the short list over hers.

I like posts like this. boo is careful not to have his suspicions misconstrued or conflated into anything they're not. I think it reflects a level of focus that is more likely to be prevalent in a civilian: "This is how I feel, and I want to make sure there are no mistakes about it."

Spoiler: show

Boo what is your dragomir read btw I can't remember?

I dunno if I've mentioned him, so that might be why.

He isn't someone who ever sticks out to me long enough to consider. I know I've played a game where he got lynched D1 or 2 as mafia, and even then I had no idea why it went down with so much support. That hasn't really been different here. I've seen him tossed about, and I've opened his ISO, but it's just a blank wall for me. There's just more interesting people to look at.

Today I'll be tunneling Jack. Being wrong about nutella made me lose a lot of interest in this game, but now that I have that it's what I want to deal with.

I mentioned this post in the interactive ISO. It's probably my least favorite moment in the game for boo. To reiterate, he's said nothing about drago all game. When he's directly asked to provide a read, he stammers for a bit and ultimately says nothing.

Spoiler: show

What i find interesting is that i am scum to hyena and boo but neither made a case why

I'm not interested in advocating your getting shot yet. Jack would need to go first. The result of that would tie in to you.

Why not shoot me first tho?
If jack flip should give you info about me shouldnt my death also provide info for jack?

I just dont buy it. It sounds bad and it is bad.

You called me scum but never bothered to explain why
You called my theory about dusk dumb but never bothered to explain why

To me you are just smoke but no fire. Your accusations have no substance and thus you yourself have no substance. And i am perfectly okay if you get shot

No, he connects to you in certain demonstrable ways he has shown. It doesn't flip in the other direction.

I didn't call it dumb, I called it wrong.

To me, it doesn't matter what I am to you. You aren't going to get the gun today, so I don't need to preventing you from wanting to shoot me, and I don't want you shot yet, so it doesn't serve the order of my suspicions to go after you with every reason I have for it.

You're stuck in the mindset of there being lynches. View it all outside of that, and then let that make you play differently, and maybe it will make some sense to you.

But then posts like this keep me from scum-reading boo too hard. He is philosophically apart from everyone else in this game, but he is able to articulate his thoughts so clearly that I can't help but believe they are coming from an honest place. Everyone's questioning him all the time, but I never find myself raising my eyebrows once he's addressed the initial concerns.

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Boo, did you turn on me because I lowered you to null and raised Jack up to null with you? :P Also, did you think the argument that I originally made about Nutella (that you pushed alongside me), where I said that scum might not want the gun and might not want to be responsible for shooting town, was towny?

Turning on you would imply we were ever on a team. I found you suspicious at points during d1, but not enough to not push you above other people. N1 that changed some, d2 that changed a lot. The weakest part of my town game is not adjusting reads enough as I go (or being so aware of that I go all over the place because I trust none of my reads). I'm fairly satisfied with how I handled my Nutella suspicion this game. I was wrong, but such is life. I think I'm approaching you right. I failed at my approach to Jack in a few ways. Regrouping on that front and if Nanook doesn't decide to shoot him I'll look at it again d3.

Doing Towny things doesn't inherently make someone town.

Here's a lot of words that don't explain why Hyena is a suspect. This is another slight issue I have when I try to clear boo for myself: I understand him when he explain his philosophy, but I don't see the same clarity when he expresses his reads.

Nothing else really stands out to me from Day 3. Johann suggests that there is something bad in his exchange with boo during this phase, but I'm not sure I see it. [mention]Johann[/mention] care to talk some more about that? I would lean toward a town read on boo, but that's not set in stone.

[Johann]

two years ago i was scum with an inactive partner. i bussed her and got her killed (i didn't mean to ;__;) and powerwolfed my way to endgame where i got S T O M P E D by a third party who won instead

johann your speculation is wifom imo, and i think answers would vary with what kinda players you're talking about

I just dont see a world where Jack buses Wilgy after going hard on boo

[Funnygurl555]

two years ago i was scum with an inactive partner. i bussed her and got her killed (i didn't mean to ;__;) and powerwolfed my way to endgame where i got S T O M P E D by a third party who won instead

johann your speculation is wifom imo, and i think answers would vary with what kinda players you're talking about

I just dont see a world where Jack buses Wilgy after going hard on boo

jack confuses me in general. i haven't looked into jack/wilgy interactions tbh. no use until the obv wolf jack is shot

[Sloonei]

also idfk what's wrong with flip flopping. at least i'm out here acknowledging that i've been wrong. consistent reads are for twg gods or ppl who are too bullheaded and end up wrong, or wolves

"Flip-flopping is bad" is a take that the entire mafia community needs to get rid of.

[Johann]

@slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

[Johann]

In short my mind is telling me to shoot boo but my heart is telling me to shoot dougall

[Funnygurl555]

@slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

LOL

[Sloonei]

I scanned G-man's posts and it does not look like his treatment of Drago was much different from his treatment of everyone else. My mild concern has turned even milder.

I'll try to remain focused on current events until the deadline now. Let's talk about the cases against boo.

[Sloonei]

@slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

I do not see him playing the victim. Could you show me the post(s) you're talking about?

[Johann]

@slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

I do not see him playing the victim. Could you show me the post(s) you're talking about?

I am on mobile and i dont know how to ISO on it.

[Hyena]

Spoiler: show

So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?

She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.

He eventually explains why he suspects nutella so firmly, but this doesn't really satisfy me. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe him, and I think I slapped a town read on him shortly after this post(?). My impression of this suspicion at the time was that boo was projecting a certain idea onto nutella, trying to make the piece fit into the hole. It didn't, but he was determined. I felt like there was sincerity in the effort.

So, this is the post and the reason why I both 1. townread him early, then 2. suspected him later on.

I made this entire argument by mself earlier that day. He -stole- it from me, and didn't even acknowledge or townread me for it. In fact, he later scumread me in spite of using my argument against Nutella.

Here are the posts where I made that same argument:

I'm flattered

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine for now

Hey, wtf. I want to give YOU the gun. Are you afraid of getting the gun? Are you afraid of getting blood on your hands and looking scummy?

There's also the fact that Nutella didn't accept my vote on her? :P So yeah, she could be scum.

I feel like Boo is expressing the same thing (the stuff about scum potentially being worried about getting the gun) I was trying to express earlier, except better.

[Sloonei]

@slooney

I asked boo to explain to me in simple terms why is dougall scum to him but he couldnt drop the victim mentality for one sec and kept saying some big words like.some politician

I do not see him playing the victim. Could you show me the post(s) you're talking about?

I am on mobile and i dont know how to ISO on it.

Yeah there's no direct ISO link on mobile for some reason. But leetic provided all the ISO links in the first post. here you go.

[Johann]

In case you get the gun.
Who dies?

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Listen here.

Those 2 have no influence on me what so ever, no one in this game does. I don't know any of you besides Dragomir. You maybe are my prime shot but i am not an idiot that will close them self in the shell and donkey it.

I am asking you a simple question. As someone who sees part of dougal that's scummy - why do YOU wanna kill him

The same reason anyone wants to kill anyone in mafia (well. usually, at least), I believe it's part of my win condition. I can see what Mac is trying to do here, but I think he misplayed, is mafia, and does not have the numbers to make his plan work. It could be close, but it's increasingly looking like it won't be. He's even lost you. Maybe not fully, but enough.

Ok
Listen here

Can you stop playing the victim for a second and answer in a simple manner - WHY DO YOU THINK DOUGALL IS SCUM.
I don't wanna hear stuff like " i can see what mac is trying to do here"
Like you have to have a reason , a reason you can put in words why is he scum. If you do put it in words or by god i will put a bullet in you

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

So you think nutella specifically doesn’t want the gun D1 as scum.

Why?

She would want it as town, and make a pretty noticeable effort to form a base that townreads her and will vote for her. That lack of any effort at forming a base (and her explanation for it: Hyena and I suspecting her) is suspicious to me. Anyone town should be on a strong offensive, and that's what her offensive in this format is what I think we'd see. It isn't what I'm seeing from her, I'm seeing some posturing offense and way to much of a defensive mindset. It doesn't fit.

He eventually explains why he suspects nutella so firmly, but this doesn't really satisfy me. That doesn't necessarily mean I don't believe him, and I think I slapped a town read on him shortly after this post(?). My impression of this suspicion at the time was that boo was projecting a certain idea onto nutella, trying to make the piece fit into the hole. It didn't, but he was determined. I felt like there was sincerity in the effort.

So, this is the post and the reason why I both 1. townread him early, then 2. suspected him later on.

I made this entire argument by mself earlier that day. He -stole- it from me, and didn't even acknowledge or townread me for it. In fact, he later scumread me in spite of using my argument against Nutella.

Here are the posts where I made that same argument:

I'm flattered

[VOTE: nanook] aubergine for now

Hey, wtf. I want to give YOU the gun. Are you afraid of getting the gun? Are you afraid of getting blood on your hands and looking scummy?

There's also the fact that Nutella didn't accept my vote on her? :P So yeah, she could be scum.

I feel like Boo is expressing the same thing (the stuff about scum potentially being worried about getting the gun) I was trying to express earlier, except better.

Hypocrisy is a staple of the civilian playbook.

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

TBD. Nanook had a list somewhere, someone in it. I'd like to think Mac and Jack are teammates, but it seems a bit too easy. I think it's probably only actually one of them, and the other is playing the other.

I can see Mac as scum more than Jack
Sell me that pitch by your words and not nanooks

I'm not really invested in you voting with me. Whichever one of them hatched this scheme doesn't expect you to be on my side of this, and even then, I still see being able to get the numbers to burn them on what they did here. So if you're more open-minded then they thought, it's still easier for me to show you that it's worth risking trusting me through my interactions with other people, not directly with you. You don't trust me. Fair enough. I've given you reason not to. So you're to tunneled on me to not be able to find a way to doubt anything I can tell you. If you have more specific questions I can try and help you get there that way, but I'm not going to be able to sell you on trusting me in the way you're asking here.

Listen here.

Those 2 have no influence on me what so ever, no one in this game does. I don't know any of you besides Dragomir. You maybe are my prime shot but i am not an idiot that will close them self in the shell and donkey it.

I am asking you a simple question. As someone who sees part of dougal that's scummy - why do YOU wanna kill him

The same reason anyone wants to kill anyone in mafia (well. usually, at least), I believe it's part of my win condition. I can see what Mac is trying to do here, but I think he misplayed, is mafia, and does not have the numbers to make his plan work. It could be close, but it's increasingly looking like it won't be. He's even lost you. Maybe not fully, but enough.

Ok
Listen here

Can you stop playing the victim for a second and answer in a simple manner - WHY DO YOU THINK DOUGALL IS SCUM.
I don't wanna hear stuff like " i can see what mac is trying to do here"
Like you have to have a reason , a reason you can put in words why is he scum. If you do put it in words or by god i will put a bullet in you

There is nothing in here that strikes me as "playing the victim." I think boo is explaining why he suspects Mac, in his own way (i've noted that boo's reads aren't always clearly stated, but I don't necessarily suspect him for that). When he says he "can see what Mac is doing", he means that as in he believes that he can see Mac manipulating the thread toward a certain end: that is why boo suspects mac. "Playing the victim" would imply that boo's attitude projects an air of persecution here, as though he feels you are unfairly questioning him, but I don't get that sense at all. I see him answering your questions in the way he's comfortable doing. This aligns with his general attitude throughout the game. His approach is unorthodox, but it's clearly stated.