The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:42 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:37 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:34 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:32 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm

Why's that?

the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you

yeah, we have shown a similar hesitancy to push on TSP, but i don't really understand the point that you're making. if youre town then FYPOV i guess it makes sense that you might think me/TSP work as a team for similar reasoning that i think you/TSP work as a team

i mean you're presenting this as me/TSP being W/W because i'm throwing him in a pair without pushing on him while i'm echoing your exact reasonings (Crichard emotional stuff ) for feeling reluctant to push there AND saying that now that it's LYLO i feel like the stakes are higher so i'm looking for additional reasons to townread the slot, like i feel like that is such to a Tee what you just said that you would consider that a bit more and interact with it rather than "Alexa/TSP W/W"

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:43 pm also @staypositivefriend you said that w!Esooa hard defends her partners, but Esooa pushed on me early game and kept pulling up reasons not to townread me?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

CRichard is carrying that slot by a mile

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:52 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

CRichard is carrying that slot by a mile

Annnnd I've miscleared him a few times recently...

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:57 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:52 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

CRichard is carrying that slot by a mile

Annnnd I've miscleared him a few times recently...

was this on TS?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:35 pm You make yourself obvious town first then use your high ground to fuck around.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:08 pm yeah i'm looking at Multiball game and... definitely don't think he's out of his scum range

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:13 pm he doesn't take it quite as far as this game i don't think but a lot of emotional anger "pathetic"ness calls toward people/defeatism at points/etc - so like that stuff alone should be NAI

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:39 pm In all seriousness I'm actually putting pressure on myself here and it's probably unnecessary given how the game has gone...

Which is kind of "lol" to say the least after Day 2 started.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:35 pm You make yourself obvious town first then use your high ground to fuck around.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:44 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:35 pm You make yourself obvious town first then use your high ground to fuck around.

And then people say “hmm, maybe we’ve miscleared him, CRich could definitely have this in his wolfrange”

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:43 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:39 pm In all seriousness I'm actually putting pressure on myself here and it's probably unnecessary given how the game has gone...

Which is kind of "lol" to say the least after Day 2 started.

i don't get what this is supposed to mean?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:45 pm Crichard getting emotional under pressure as town is not "always" (like, when i subbed into anon game, he was saying he was fine dying), it's in sporadic bursts of moment

he says "Pathetic response. You're cornered I get it." to a vote on him which is like, imo a similar sentiment

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:43 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:39 pm In all seriousness I'm actually putting pressure on myself here and it's probably unnecessary given how the game has gone...

Which is kind of "lol" to say the least after Day 2 started.

i don't get what this is supposed to mean?

If I'm wrong a lot of scrutiny from others and I'm mad at myself.

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:45 pm Crichard getting emotional under pressure as town is not "always" (like, when i subbed into anon game, he was saying he was fine dying), it's in sporadic bursts of moment

he says "Pathetic response. You're cornered I get it." to a vote on him which is like, imo a similar sentiment

no not really at all, the point is that as town he gets frustrated at being scumread that doesn't happen as mafia it's a very basic sort of tell

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:52 pm Was CRich calling people "dumbasses" during the anon game?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:53 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:52 pm Was CRich calling people "dumbasses" during the anon game?

yes, did he not do that in multiball or collseum?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:05 pm i feel like this is gonna be one of those days where everyone waits for everyone else to make the first move and vote tbh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:04 pm @Gira - is LC still your top scumread, or has your view of the game changed since you initially wolfread him?

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:41 pm but process-wise i am staunchly against waiting until the last minute for the first vote in ELO

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:42 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:41 pm but process-wise i am staunchly against waiting until the last minute for the first vote in ELO

yeah that's fair, i believe very strongly that people should wait at ~least 24 hours before voting in LYLO in 99% of situations, but we're at a point where i wouldnt really be mad if someone ended up voting because it feels like the thread is in somewhat of a stalemate

that said, if youre town then i dont really think that LC is the right vote. not sure how to convince you otherwise

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:45 pm gira if you're town LC is the wrong vote because it allows spf and alexa to immediately hammer him and win