The Syndicate

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 4:24 am falcon never directly interacted with Lemonfairy or Ricochet D3. If he interacted with his remaining partner, they'd be the exception. Thing is, he interacted with every reamining member of the other thread:

- He responded to no less than ten posts from MR, which comprises an entire one fourth of his ISO.
- He responded to two of nutella's posts, one being a simple "disagree" but another asking for reads
- He responded to one of DrWilgy's posts that was accusing him
- He responded with two words to a post of WWA's that was also just two words.

If MR is falcon's partner, falcon's single-minded focus on them while completely ignoring his other two partners (including the one he was in the same thread with!) would be staggering. WWA's post would probably fit in the best with falcon's general avoidance of his partners. falcon's interactions with nutella aren't too inspiring on their own, but falcon did ask them for reads, something he only otherwise did D3 to flipped town DM (as far as I can tell). falcon's response to Wilgy is much stronger, but it is so over-the-top that I cannot entirely dismiss the possibility of it being theatre.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm What would I hate more:

voting in the East and losing because we followed an unsubstantiated belief about mech despite my misgivings

or

voting in the West and losing because obviously it was evenly split wolf teams and I just haaad to go renegade

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 7:53 pm whew suddenly posting is happening again

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:36 pm Are we sure there aren't more wolves from the West?

Like from a design standpoint I see the symmetry but it does feel a bit of an advantage to town to have things so evenly split for situations exactly like this. It creates an artifical PoE.

oh believe me i've been keeping this in the back of my mind as well. like i do think it is just slightly silly to be completely tunnel visioned about this because if there is a wolf from west they are just sitting back and laughing at us this whole time

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:12 pm I’d love to just vote Wilgy and call it a day but as I’m reading up hes definitely within his town meta

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

SO, if we expand the PoE, who and why?

Delta I kinda get.

Sig I still think is town in spite of certain thread entrances made today.

Epi based on Falc/DM treatment I had an eye raised for but nothing more as this does feel like town Epi.

I'll even toss Leetic in there as Leetic's vote on me following what looks like busywork came off as really off to me (I acknowlege that there's a large bit of omgussy bias in here, but after several unexplained suspicions of me, I think my omgussy bias is at least not worth throwing away immediately.)

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Mon Feb 12, 2024 6:50 pm So that's 2 of the 4 Easterners saying to do it, which means the scum must be me and nutella.

Except I know that's impossible, so at least one of you is backing yourself into a corner, or the premise is wrong.

Hopefully it's just the former and the town of TSP, Delta, and Sig who are paying close attention to the game are going to figure it all out.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 12:53 pm delta's mafia tbh ngl imo btw

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

SO, if we expand the PoE, who and why?

Delta I kinda get.

Sig I still think is town in spite of certain thread entrances made today.

Epi based on Falc/DM treatment I had an eye raised for but nothing more as this does feel like town Epi.

I'll even toss Leetic in there as Leetic's vote on me following what looks like busywork came off as really off to me (I acknowlege that there's a large bit of omgussy bias in here, but after several unexplained suspicions of me, I think my omgussy bias is at least not worth throwing away immediately.)

I'd probably go Delta first, having not really looked back into any of them recently. He's kind of here but not really pushing much, promising to do things but then not really following through.

Sig I remember thinking had possible associations with falcon, but don't quiz me because that was ages ago that I thought that.

TSP doing TSP things could really go either way.

Leetic is working hard but I think they're the archetype to do that as a wolf trying to solo it? Like most would get demoralised, but a rare few step up their game. And they seem much less abrasive than I expect from my very limited meta knowledge.

Epi seems fine on the surface but the Falcon defence could definitely be a thing. I dunno.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:26 pm Has everyone picked a Tarot card by this point?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:04 pm What I'm struggling with is the fact that in a vacuum I'd much rather vote Delta or Sig or even TSP or Epi, but I'm instead supposed to focus on a PoE of 3 others whom I largely find nothing wrong with.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:12 pm I’d love to just vote Wilgy and call it a day but as I’m reading up hes definitely within his town meta

I wish I had meta on any of the other people in East Facility tbh. I've seen nut and Wilgy as town but I don't believe I've ever played with MR before, and I've never seen any of them wolf. So instead I'm just running in circles trying to figure out who's solving with town intent and who's solving with an agenda. Problem is, both remaining wolves are likely legitimately scoping each other out because they also need to kill each other.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway

Or did you mean if the vig had like a low success rate and she accidentally succeeded?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm I'm going rogue and listlessly isoing outside the 'Core Four'.

Delta's iso is just so...empty.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:50 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:49 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:42 pm What’re the chance Nutella accidentally shot mafia and decided to roll with it and play that up

I don't believe she'd accidentally shoot her partner, for sure
I mean, I was in a game once where my partner purposely vigged me and then slanked until endgame off the towncred and the players rioted and faulted the host for letting her shoot me
But that's not exactly a normal mafia play, and in that previous game, I was getting wagoned so it was justified since I would've died anyway

Or did you mean if the vig had like a low success rate and she accidentally succeeded?

I’m thinking more a rebound/vest style thing.

The other option is it was just someone on the other team

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:51 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:47 pm I'm going rogue and listlessly isoing outside the 'Core Four'.

Delta's iso is just so...empty.

I have a feeling you’ll say the same about mine

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:51 pm What’s delta town meta?

Out of the 5 in west you’ve got

Leetic, epi, me, delta and tsp.

Leetic and Epi have been town reads all game .

I know I’m town.

So either delta or tsp could be mafia, but not both.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:01 pm So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.


You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:01 pm So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.


You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm I won't fight a Radishes yeet for sure but my current called shot is wind + delta

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:07 pm Is a demoralized Nutella mafia with a destroyed team or town I guess woudl be the question for her. Overall she’s played a townie game and is definitely not a landlord.

She could be arbiter, I guess but i recall her hunting pretty evenly

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:10 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:01 pm So I just did a quick ISO of MR and I don’t like what I see.

They mention the members of Arbitr a lot , he always seems to have some level or suspicion of Falcon and lemon, even voting for them multiple times yet anytime another wagon seemed viable he jumped and always seemed to cast shadow of doubts on those two wagons. Overall there’s definitely some flip flopping there.

He barely mentioned Rico and when he did it was mainly positive.


You flip this with the other mafia team that’s flipped and his views all seemed to have been much more concrete with them suggesting TMI with Red Mafia and not landlords

Oh no I flip flopped which no civ ever does

sig wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:11 pm If delta is the last mafia in west their current efforts make sense, but I also don’t want to bash someone’s for doing thread stuff this late in the game so rip me

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 6:13 pm Look, in theory (a very questionable theory) we should just shoot into the East and have a 50% chance of hitting correctly.

But if we hit a town (and I can't help but feel we will) then the survivors need to abandon the idea of wolves only being there.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:16 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm Why would I need to preface any statement? Am I not allowed to think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and still post my thoughts anyway?

You are allowed and I'd encourage it, but my question is if you think 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' why not say it before hand?

if you are a W, you just get a chance at someone not thinking 'ugh someone is going to find this questionable' and only need to post after if you do get heat for it. 'Why attract attention to myself' kinda thinking.

You say 'why not say it before hand' like it's some sort of 'gotcha' and I think it's just a style difference or soemthing. I just don't see why I'd need to say it?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:11 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 5:02 pm The wagon was a whole three (3) votes. You really think that can't be three town?

And anyway, there are two mafia teams, remember? Two of the mafia wouldn't have known or cared if Lime was on the other team and wouldn't care about positioning in the same way. Lime's one possible teammate wouldn't be able to singlehandedly bolster a counterwagon to save their mate.

Three CAN be town, but those three are including Alison. When it becomes four (including vote recipient) and EVERY other off wagon vote is town it just becomes less likely, ESPECIALLY when a wolf flip occurs.

But, again, we're talking about a wolf team of two, since the other wolf team won't care or worry about the same voting dynamics. Lime was going down - their one single partner is probably more likely to bus and hope for some credit rather than risk being seen as trying to save their partner.


These just feel like weak reasons to find me suspicious, and I'm not saying that makes you scummy because actually if you're town you would be scrounging for reasons to paint me scummy. But you seem to have a lot of conviction it's me for reasoning like this and the reasoning isn't solid imo.