The Syndicate

Welp. Now it's up to the rng gods.

I have a stomach ache. It could be the sushi I had for lunch. It could be something else.

Epignosis wrote:

Matt wrote:Last minute shenanigans...

Epi is against those, btw, but for some reason pulled it against me today.

Nice.

They're not "last minute shenanigans," dingus. They're you saying nothing all day and then saying sketchy shit.

No, it was last minute shenani's by you and Illy. Scotty too, but unless Wilgy was incredibly wrong, then Scotty's just being wrong, not potentially evil.

Peace out homies

Not...expected at all. Jesus.

FUCKERTY BOLLOCKS.

I am thrilled we still have Epi, I am going to make a drink. We have to get it right tomorrow y'all. If we don't, that is it.

Sorry I missed the plea for me to change my vote. I was teaching. I'd have likely moved it to Matt, as he was a complete question mark for me and I feel Epi is civ.

Fuckin a.

I give up.

There will most likely be 6 people left tomorrow- 4 civ v 2 Mafia. I think tomorrow is LYLO, which is just fucking great

I had spacedaisy and sig as the lovers. It's why I defended sig so much.

Day 8


Epignosis
3
ika (1), Metalmarsh89 (5), Matt (17)
17%

Ika
0
No votes

Illyria
0
No votes

Lorab
1
Dom (13)
6%

Matt
3
Epignosis (15), Illyria (16), Scotty (18)
17%

Metalmarsh89
1
LoRab (14)
6%

Scotty
0
No votes

:/


I was taking a final. Sorry guys that i was not around.

Who suspects me still?

Dom wrote:Who suspects me still?

Matt did.

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:Who suspects me still?

Matt did.

The better question to ask is whom did Matt not suspect?

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:Who suspects me still?

Matt did.

That's not my question nor was it helpful.

Scotty wrote:Fuckin a.

I give up.

This is why we lynch epi tommorw........

im also predciting scotty was bm to not be able to vote epi or somthing bullshitty

ika wrote:

Scotty wrote:Fuckin a.

I give up.

This is why we lynch epi tommorw........

im also predciting scotty was bm to not be able to vote epi or somthing bullshitty

You astound me.

Dom wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:Who suspects me still?

Matt did.

That's not my question nor was it helpful.

Gotta carry Matt's torch of not really answering the questions

I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad


Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

Your record isn't any better than mine, hombre.

I keep revisiting Wilgy's vouch for you Day 2, worried sick that he just said that for the hell of it and didn't actually check you. I am only forced to consider that because of the sub-par civilian play I've witnessed (llama calling me bad, Wilgy calling Nerolunar bad, etc.). If you are bad, no one will lynch you because of Wilgy calling you good Day 2, and I could be lynched for thellama73 calling me bad Day 6/7. Either way, the civilians lose because of poor use of the civilian roles and poor play in general.

Consider this scenario: I am bad with Illyria. That means, on the day Sorsha got lynched, I sacrificed the role checker at the last minute to save the blackmailer or the blocker, but Sorsha was trying to sacrifice the blackmailer or the blocker. Do you think (considering I am on the team), I would have us be more resolute in orchestrating the preservation of the role we wanted to keep? And believe it or not, my priority would have been to maintain the role checker to continue to prioritize kill choices.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

Your record isn't any better than mine, hombre.

I keep revisiting Wilgy's vouch for you Day 2, worried sick that he just said that for the hell of it and didn't actually check you. I am only forced to consider that because of the sub-par civilian play I've witnessed (llama calling me bad, Wilgy calling Nerolunar bad, etc.). If you are bad, no one will lynch you because of Wilgy calling you good Day 2, and I could be lynched for thellama73 calling me bad Day 6/7. Either way, the civilians lose because of poor use of the civilian roles and poor play in general.

Consider this scenario: I am bad with Illyria. That means, on the day Sorsha got lynched, I sacrificed the role checker at the last minute to save the blackmailer or the blocker, but Sorsha was trying to sacrifice the blackmailer or the blocker. Do you think (considering I am on the team), I would have us be more resolute in orchestrating the preservation of the role we wanted to keep? And believe it or not, my priority would have been to maintain the role checker to continue to prioritize kill choices.

The short answer is: yes, I wouldn't put it past you to have done that for civ Cred. It's unlikely, but possible.

Because while the role checker is a great benefit to Mafia, the immediate need for her is now passed- what with the Doctor and lie detector gone.

The LC NK is just a bizzare choice all around, and you would definitely be someone that I could see doing that to throw everyone off.

I think you are someone who would blackmail someone into going after a teammate.

Matt thought you were bad. Obviously ika, who hasn't let go. Llama, before he died. MM, who I still don't understand his reasoning unless he was blackmailed yesterday.
There are a few stubborn minds that are convinced you're good. Convinced. And I don't understand it. I understand one, but no civ role has more than one person that shares BTSC.

I'll keep looking at patterns. I'm not going down this road again, I'll start drinking again. And we all know what happened in the asteroid belt last time I drank.

Dom wrote:Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad


Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.

Thanks for the GTH Dom.

Anyone else?

ika wrote:

Scotty wrote:Fuckin a.

I give up.

This is why we lynch epi tommorw........

im also predciting scotty was bm to not be able to vote epi or somthing bullshitty

I suppose that was a possibility too.

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

I'm in the same boat as you Scotty. I haven't been nightkilled much lately because I'm an awful civilian.

Also, everyone in this game is a power role, except for one.

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

Your record isn't any better than mine, hombre.

I keep revisiting Wilgy's vouch for you Day 2, worried sick that he just said that for the hell of it and didn't actually check you. I am only forced to consider that because of the sub-par civilian play I've witnessed (llama calling me bad, Wilgy calling Nerolunar bad, etc.). If you are bad, no one will lynch you because of Wilgy calling you good Day 2, and I could be lynched for thellama73 calling me bad Day 6/7. Either way, the civilians lose because of poor use of the civilian roles and poor play in general.

Consider this scenario: I am bad with Illyria. That means, on the day Sorsha got lynched, I sacrificed the role checker at the last minute to save the blackmailer or the blocker, but Sorsha was trying to sacrifice the blackmailer or the blocker. Do you think (considering I am on the team), I would have us be more resolute in orchestrating the preservation of the role we wanted to keep? And believe it or not, my priority would have been to maintain the role checker to continue to prioritize kill choices.

The short answer is: yes, I wouldn't put it past you to have done that for civ Cred. It's unlikely, but possible.

Because while the role checker is a great benefit to Mafia, the immediate need for her is now passed- what with the Doctor and lie detector gone.

The LC NK is just a bizzare choice all around, and you would definitely be someone that I could see doing that to throw everyone off.

I think you are someone who would blackmail someone into going after a teammate.

Matt thought you were bad. Obviously ika, who hasn't let go. Llama, before he died. MM, who I still don't understand his reasoning unless he was blackmailed yesterday.
There are a few stubborn minds that are convinced you're good. Convinced. And I don't understand it. I understand one, but no civ role has more than one person that shares BTSC.

I'll keep looking at patterns. I'm not going down this road again, I'll start drinking again. And we all know what happened in the asteroid belt last time I drank.

Pause. How do you know this?

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad


Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.

Thanks for the GTH Dom.

Anyone else?

Mine looks exactly like Dom's except substitute him as a civ and take me off.

What about yours Scotty?

Epignosis, do you think the Doctor is still alive? The role not the player.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:I feel like we could benefit from some GTH reads.

There's just a huge amount of doubt I have in calling anyone civ in this game. I almost never last this long in games, and if I do it's because I'm Mafia or doing a horrid job as a civ. I feel manipulated, and I don't know who's pulling my strings. It's quite an annoying feeling. I spilled coffee on myself and I still feel better about that than this.

Logic is telling me MM must be one of the last two baddies.

But it could be illy/Epi for all I know. It could be ika/anyone else besides Epi. Could be LoRab.

Epi, do you think LoRab is bad? So far your track record this game has been piss poor, and you did ask me to consider Matt yesterday. If Epi is bad, GG Mafia, MVP goes to all the meta-callers that keep calling him civ like they share BTSC with him. I've deduced Epi has BTSC- it would make the Wilgy claim make sense- but it's to be seen if he is Mafia with Mafia mates defending him or civvie with civvie mates defending him.

I don't know. I'm no power role, so I don't know shit.

Your record isn't any better than mine, hombre.

I keep revisiting Wilgy's vouch for you Day 2, worried sick that he just said that for the hell of it and didn't actually check you. I am only forced to consider that because of the sub-par civilian play I've witnessed (llama calling me bad, Wilgy calling Nerolunar bad, etc.). If you are bad, no one will lynch you because of Wilgy calling you good Day 2, and I could be lynched for thellama73 calling me bad Day 6/7. Either way, the civilians lose because of poor use of the civilian roles and poor play in general.

Consider this scenario: I am bad with Illyria. That means, on the day Sorsha got lynched, I sacrificed the role checker at the last minute to save the blackmailer or the blocker, but Sorsha was trying to sacrifice the blackmailer or the blocker. Do you think (considering I am on the team), I would have us be more resolute in orchestrating the preservation of the role we wanted to keep? And believe it or not, my priority would have been to maintain the role checker to continue to prioritize kill choices.

The short answer is: yes, I wouldn't put it past you to have done that for civ Cred. It's unlikely, but possible.

Because while the role checker is a great benefit to Mafia, the immediate need for her is now passed- what with the Doctor and lie detector gone.

The LC NK is just a bizzare choice all around, and you would definitely be someone that I could see doing that to throw everyone off.

I think you are someone who would blackmail someone into going after a teammate.

Matt thought you were bad. Obviously ika, who hasn't let go. Llama, before he died. MM, who I still don't understand his reasoning unless he was blackmailed yesterday.
There are a few stubborn minds that are convinced you're good. Convinced. And I don't understand it. I understand one, but no civ role has more than one person that shares BTSC.

I'll keep looking at patterns. I'm not going down this road again, I'll start drinking again. And we all know what happened in the asteroid belt last time I drank.

Pause. How do you know this?

Because he was lynched Day 3

Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Oh I see the confusion- yes I mean the role that is normally the doctor, not the dude that resurrects people.

Although I have a hunch LC was that role.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Oh right, Nm I keep thinking Wilgy was the lie detector. He was the BTSC checker- my bad

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Dom wrote:Epignosis - Good
Ika - Bad
Illyria - Good
LoRab - Bad
MetalMarsh89 - Bad
Scotty - Bad


Only 2 of those bad reads could be right. I really don't think I'm wrong about Illy and Epig.

Thanks for the GTH Dom.

Anyone else?

Mine looks exactly like Dom's except substitute him as a civ and take me off.

What about yours Scotty?

GTH:
Epi: Bad
Ika: Bad
Illyria: Good
LoRab: Good
Metalmarsh: Bad
Dom: Good

Fuck I dunno

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

What are you talking about? All three doctors are different.

Yes I do. Are you bad Scotty?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

What are you talking about? All three doctors are different.

Yes I do. Are you bad Scotty?

Not since I last checked.

MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epignosis, do you think the Doctor is still alive? The role not the player.

I have no idea. Signs point to no, but I'm hoping for evidence soon. It's a nice risk-reward role.

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Oh right, Nm I keep thinking Wilgy was the lie detector. He was the BTSC checker- my bad

You said the Doctor and the lie detector are dead. Only the mafia could know if Doctor Clarkson was dead. I don't see how you could know this if you aren't bad. You said he got lynched Day 3. That was DrWilgy, who was Isobel.

Surely you wouldn't be referring to "DrWilgy and the lie detector," because that names a player and then a role. You were naming a role and a role.

Scotty wrote:MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.

I thought he was bad yesterday.

Fortunately, I think we're going to learn a couple things when the new day phase arrives.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Oh right, Nm I keep thinking Wilgy was the lie detector. He was the BTSC checker- my bad

You said the Doctor and the lie detector are dead. Only the mafia could know if Doctor Clarkson was dead. I don't see how you could know this if you aren't bad. You said he got lynched Day 3. That was DrWilgy, who was Isobel.

Surely you wouldn't be referring to "DrWilgy and the lie detector," because that names a player and then a role. You were naming a role and a role.

You can't be serious, Epi. Are we really playing this game right now?

DFaraday got lynched day 3. He was the doctor role.

End of discussion.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.

I thought he was bad yesterday.

Fortunately, I think we're going to learn a couple things when the new day phase arrives.

I guess we are. Who are you planning to kill tonight, Wallaby?

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Oh right, Nm I keep thinking Wilgy was the lie detector. He was the BTSC checker- my bad

You said the Doctor and the lie detector are dead. Only the mafia could know if Doctor Clarkson was dead. I don't see how you could know this if you aren't bad. You said he got lynched Day 3. That was DrWilgy, who was Isobel.

Surely you wouldn't be referring to "DrWilgy and the lie detector," because that names a player and then a role. You were naming a role and a role.

You can't be serious, Epi. Are we really playing this game right now?

DFaraday got lynched day 3. He was the doctor role.

End of discussion.

That's what I was asking. Thank you for clarifying. And yes, you're correct. Wilgy was Day 4. I call them protectors, not doctors. That's terribly confusing since there is an actual Doctor in the roles.

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Scotty wrote:MM, why did you vote Epi yesterday? I don't recall you actually answering that question.

I thought he was bad yesterday.

Fortunately, I think we're going to learn a couple things when the new day phase arrives.

I guess we are. Who are you planning to kill tonight, Wallaby?

I'm not giving the baddies any bright ideas.

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Scotty wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Scotty, we have 3 different doctors in this game. One is player, one is a role ability, and one is a role title.

Don't get cute. I wouldn't be talking about the lie detector and the lie detector as if that's a separate thought.

So you think I'm bad, Mm?

Oh right, Nm I keep thinking Wilgy was the lie detector. He was the BTSC checker- my bad

You said the Doctor and the lie detector are dead. Only the mafia could know if Doctor Clarkson was dead. I don't see how you could know this if you aren't bad. You said he got lynched Day 3. That was DrWilgy, who was Isobel.

Surely you wouldn't be referring to "DrWilgy and the lie detector," because that names a player and then a role. You were naming a role and a role.

You can't be serious, Epi. Are we really playing this game right now?

DFaraday got lynched day 3. He was the doctor role.

End of discussion.

That's what I was asking. Thank you for clarifying. And yes, you're correct. Wilgy was Day 4. I call them protectors, not doctors. That's terribly confusing since there is an actual Doctor in the roles.

In that case I would have used his name- Wilgy- not just Doctor. It's like calling me Otty. Rhymes with potty.

My point still stands though, and tack on Wilgy to that. Wilgy, llama, and DFaraday were powerful civ roles and the others are not as tactical, IMO. So soap slinger is not as necessary.

I don't agree with you, but I can chalk that up to different strategic mindsets.

Has anyone concluded yet that Epi is bad? And whoever the lynch remover is better not use it

ika wrote:Has anyone concluded yet that Epi is bad? And whoever the lynch remover is better not use it

You continue to astound me.

ika wrote:Has anyone concluded yet that Epi is bad? And whoever the lynch remover is better not use it

Ika give me the breakdown on why Epi is bad in your words. And not just "because he is"