The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote:Would anyone be down for Lynch A Lurker today? We've got a lot of names to choose from in that category.

I'm very much down for inh and sig, any other lurkers you have in mind?

I'm still partial to a scotty vote, too.

Pretty sure I'm going to vote for INH and Nijuu....something or other. I already posted about INH, and his strange vow before disappearing, but Nijuu because he only has one post all game with any substance, and he also voted for Russ because "the people posting said Russ wanted to be voted." Russ corrected him and pointed out that he never said that, and Nijuu had not bothered to quote anyone who had. Nijuu was around for awhile afterwards, and had time to go back and find the posts that made him think Russ wanted voting, but he didn't.

Although Elo followed up with almost the same type post that Nijuu did, it seemed to me she was just rushing. Maybe not tho, we'll see.

Hi Mata, Niju is a she . But you're right, she hasn't been playing much. I'd be happy to vote for any combination of her, Scotty, sig, and INH. Maybe Dom too but he's a bit lower on my list atm.

Thanks, I should have remembered that as I had played with her a few times before I took a breather. I'm of mixed opinions about voting inactives, because its just as likely they have a lone civ role and don't feel compelled to be active. But wth, I have to vote someone, might as well be the inactives today, and see what it turns up. I'll concentrate on actives tomorrow.

I'll wait awhile longer to see if anyone has comments that may change my thinking.

DFaraday wrote:

nutella wrote:Quin, I'm not sure why you think I'm "potential nanman," and to be honest I don't really understand how you arrived at most of your list (I kind of get the Dom and TH part I guess). Could you elaborate? What makes you think I could be nanman based on those posts and taking my voting record into account?

I'm just quoting because I also want to hear more from Quin about this. I haven't seen anything particularly suspicious from you.

I'm also not sure of the reasoning behind not wanting to vote for people who have dueled before. Sure, they get prizes, but I kind of doubt the prizes are boosts to help them win more duels; that seems a little broken. Having said that, I don't plan on voting Bass as I'm reading him civ at this point.

I've disagreed with pretty much everything you have said this game or your votes and haven't really given you any heat because I deemed it as a confused civ. I just don't know if you're just that or are just bad.

Voting for those that have already dueled is not the problem at the root. It's he pattern of the people continually getting up to duel shouldn't be dueling if there is we think they aren't bad. And that's why I was trying to get at: I don't think Bass is bad. i haven't seen the merit in Bass's suspicions and I think he has handled himself well in the wake of his duels.

Zuo Ci wrote:You of the golden glow, I would invite you into my home. We may eat from my garden and exchange words. I would know of your disdain for those who have attained prefecture; I would perceive the roots of your feelings which you bear before us now.

MMM, yes, I suppose I do have disdain for the living prefects

I had to vote.

Scotty because I suspect him.

INH over sig because INH already has a vote.

Feel the disdain for prefects! It is real!

Scotty wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

nutella wrote:Quin, I'm not sure why you think I'm "potential nanman," and to be honest I don't really understand how you arrived at most of your list (I kind of get the Dom and TH part I guess). Could you elaborate? What makes you think I could be nanman based on those posts and taking my voting record into account?

I'm just quoting because I also want to hear more from Quin about this. I haven't seen anything particularly suspicious from you.

I'm also not sure of the reasoning behind not wanting to vote for people who have dueled before. Sure, they get prizes, but I kind of doubt the prizes are boosts to help them win more duels; that seems a little broken. Having said that, I don't plan on voting Bass as I'm reading him civ at this point.

I've disagreed with pretty much everything you have said this game or your votes and haven't really given you any heat because I deemed it as a confused civ. I just don't know if you're just that or are just bad.

Voting for those that have already dueled is not the problem at the root. It's he pattern of the people continually getting up to duel shouldn't be dueling if there is we think they aren't bad. And that's why I was trying to get at: I don't think Bass is bad. i haven't seen the merit in Bass's suspicions and I think he has handled himself well in the wake of his duels.

That makes sense, I suppose; it seemed like other people just didn't want to send anyone to duel twice on principle.

And sorry you feel that way about me. Though why should me disagreeing with you throughout the game mean I'm either bad or a confused civ?

I trust Zuo Ci.

I went with Nijuu and INH

Golden wrote:I had to vote.

Scotty because I suspect him.

INH over sig because INH already has a vote.

Feel the disdain for prefects! It is real!

Ditto

Golden wrote:I trust Zuo Ci.

I do as well, but I don't know as he would be so blatant as to vote two baddies, if he does indeed know everyone's roles. I'm going to stick with Ninja and put the other on Dunny, just to see if it pans out.

Wait what where did zuo ci say he knows who everyone is? huh??

It's time for an S battle for me and sig.

He said he suspected me so clearly not

Oooooh, two votes! I'm flattered

It's awfully tempting to continue that and duel, but I think this lady Blooper's gonna go with Two Names that Begin with a Letter that No One Else Shares.

See ya!

less than 30 minutes and still a lot of people haven't voted. I wonder what would happen if Zuo Ci got votes?

Finally INH is getting votes. Makes a man happy.

I don't like getting votes. Putting one more on Dunny just in case I get more in the next few minutes.

Not feeling Ninja or Simon.

I'm not sure why everyone trusts Zou Ci, or why it's assumed he knows something we do not. He can be lynched, so I'd assume he's nothing more than an extra vote for the person controlling him, nothing more.

My other vote is happily going to INH because I think he is bad.

I would like to give it to Nutella but once again, people seem to trust her (or at least trust her more than others) enough to not vote her.

If anyone does trust her, I'm just curious as to what leads you to that conclusion. Because it's surely not her voting record.

I'm cool with voting inactive people.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm cool with voting inactive people.

It's not even that INH is inactive- he's participated for some time- he's just supposed to be someone that is leading the civ cause. That's what he advertised in being a prefect. JJJ was a good prefect, I am a good prefect, I don't think he is.

Put my votes on INH and sig. This is my weakest performance in a mafia game ever.

I was hoping INH would start posting more now that Red vs. Blue has finished but that doesn't seem to be the case and everyone else is piling votes on him, so sure.

Golden wrote:I trust Zuo Ci.

Are you Zou Ci?

nutella wrote:He said he suspected me so clearly not

Lol bad

Sloonei wrote:Put my votes on INH and sig. This is my weakest performance in a mafia game ever.

I was hoping INH would start posting more now that Red vs. Blue has finished but that doesn't seem to be the case and everyone else is piling votes on him, so sure.

Sorry you're not feeling well, man.

Have you read back to Days 1 and 2 yet? I think those days look bad for Bubbles there and I think it looks bad that you haven't done so yet.

I'd just like your input in the case that you are good, because I know how much of a force a civ Sloon can be.

I'm not the beacon of activity that I hoped I would be either, but this new job is quite something on my mind. I cannot say I will be any use as we get closer into tech on this show, but I will try and post my thoughts as I catch up should I continue to live.

Oh, and can we start taking into account people's voting patterns? I think there is some info there that people are either lazily avoiding or disagree with me on. If you disagree, great. Praytell why.

Thanks loves

Scotty wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Put my votes on INH and sig. This is my weakest performance in a mafia game ever.

I was hoping INH would start posting more now that Red vs. Blue has finished but that doesn't seem to be the case and everyone else is piling votes on him, so sure.

Sorry you're not feeling well, man.

Have you read back to Days 1 and 2 yet? I think those days look bad for Bubbles there and I think it looks bad that you haven't done so yet.

I'd just like your input in the case that you are good, because I know how much of a force a civ Sloon can be.

If I ever find the time, I might, but I doubt I will. Starting tomorrow evening I'm basically going to have no free time until next week. I'd like to be more involved here but I'm simply not able to right now.

How does Sloonei on Days 3-9 look?

Scotty wrote:I'm not the beacon of activity that I hoped I would be either, but this new job is quite something on my mind. I cannot say I will be any use as we get closer into tech on this show, but I will try and post my thoughts as I catch up should I continue to live.

Oh, and can we start taking into account people's voting patterns? I think there is some info there that people are either lazily avoiding or disagree with me on. If you disagree, great. Praytell why.

Thanks loves

The two vote thing is probably throwing people off. I'm not usually a Vote Analysis Guy, but that's a new dynamic that I doubt anyone has much experience with. You're absolutely right that it's something we should be looking at more. There's a lot of things we should be putting more focus on in this game. This game has a lot going on but no one to solve it.

I don't see where Eloh mentioned why she voted Boomslang or Dunny. I'll look back later and see if she had reasons from earlier in the game.

Scotty wrote: I would like to give it to Nutella but once again, people seem to trust her (or at least trust her more than others) enough to not vote her.

If anyone does trust her, I'm just curious as to what leads you to that conclusion. Because it's surely not her voting record.

What do you mean by this? What's wrong with my voting record? I mean, it hasn't been perfect since we've lynched a ton of civs, but I don't see why you would find it particularly suspicious. Do you have a specific team (or indie role) in mind for me? What is your reasoning?

Almost missed the vote. Somehow had it in my head that we had another day. Fortunately got home in time to vote. I think a good point has been raised about ridding the game of non-players. Voted INH because I also find it problematic that he actively campaied for prefect and then disappeared. And for Jan because of suspicion of them earlier in the game, before they disappeared.

Zuo Ci wrote:

LoRab wrote:I'm happy to speak with you.

And so we commune, spirit to spirit, and may our words reveal virtue. Our fallen brother, he who welcomed the end freely, was met with your ire. It is my chief worry that this ire is not in alignment with the flow of life, and that you have not embraced wu wei. Allow your anger to take you this moment, that I might observe it as you express it, and perhaps my perspective will warp to your will.

I am all about the flow of life. And really have no ire towards anyone. Suspicion? Sure. Ire? Not so much. And I'm not going to be angry on demand.

Who is a threat to the Han? Appoint two for the duel.

Poll ended at Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:11 pm

Bass_the_Clever
0
No votes

Boomslang
1
Elohcin (22)
3%

Bullzeye
0
No votes

DFaraday
0
No votes

Dom
1
Quin (7)
3%

Dunny
4
Zuo Ci (12), DFaraday (18), Elohcin (23), Scotty (26)
13%

Elohcin
1
Boomslang (4)
3%

Golden
1
nijuukyugou (25)
3%

insertnamehere
9
Boomslang (5), Golden (10), Zuo Ci (13), Matahari (14), nutella (17), nijuukyugou (24), Scotty (27), Sloonei (28), LoRab (30)
29%

Jan
1
LoRab (31)
3%

leetic
0
No votes

LoRab
0
No votes

MacDougall
0
No votes

Nerolunar
0
No votes

nijuukyugou
2
Matahari (15), DFaraday (19)
6%

nutella
0
No votes

Quin
0
No votes

Scotty
2
Golden (11), nutella (16)
6%

sig
2
Simon (20), Sloonei (29)
6%

Simon
2
Quin (8), Simon (21)
6%

Sloonei
0
No votes

Sorsha
0
No votes

Spacedaisy
0
No votes

Zuo Ci
0
No votes

Guan Ping (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
Epignosis (1), Glorfindel (2), JaggedJimmyJay (3), juliets (6), Dragon D. Luffy (9)
16%


Total votes : 31

I don't think the fact that he didn't live up to the expectations people set for him as a prefect is a good reason to lynch him, so I'm definitely wary of some of his voters.

After that time of peace, the Nanman rose up to cause mischief. A few of the barbarians went into a nearby village and leered at a woman named Eloh Cin, whose informal name was Inbed-wao. They plotted at how they might steal into the village, deceive her father, and take her away into the jungle. They sent Nanman gifts to the father and requested his daughter’s presence in the Nanman court, for they had spread a rumor that the maiden was already one of Meng Huo’s concubines.

Rather than let the Nanman inveigle him and his house into intermarrying with the barbarians of the south, the father took Inbed-wao away, and camped at Chou. But his daughter had grown feverish, and it were discovered a Nanman missile within her flesh, all laced with poison. The father sent for a physician, but there wasn’t one to be found in that region.

What anger spread throughout the land because of this will be discussed presently.

oh

Quin wrote:oh

I'm guessing that the messages are coming from someone you listed as bad, that isn't.

I don't think Zuo Ci is Zhang Bao. I think he is Jay.

Am I correct in labelling the following people as absent (as in, not posting or voting for at least ten days)

Bullzeye
Dunny
Jan
Leetic
Nerolunar
sig
Spacedaisy

Golden wrote:I'm guessing that the messages are coming from someone you listed as bad, that isn't.

I don't think Zuo Ci is Zhang Bao. I think he is Jay.

Do you think that whoever we voted for took over the sock?

I do think that the earlier sock (whoever it was that was only speaking in chinese) could have been Zhang Bao, just because of the whole apparitions thing associated with his role.

Zuo Ci is much different to her on a mechanical level, so I don't think that they're in the same boat.

I'm not sure, exactly, but I think so. Zuo Ci has some posts from before we revealed Jay's identity, which I think were possibly Epignosis. Did you notice that it was Zuo Ci who revealed Jay's role, not Epignosis? And that this created a change from speaking in normal type to Italics. It's someone who has enough flair to roleplay - someone whose suspects align to those of Jay - and someone who specifically called out my 'disdain for prefects', which I think was done intentionally (by Jay) to make me realise the real identity.

Of course, this is just my opinion, but I currently think that Zuo Ci is Jay. I don't know if it's Jay come back to take part in the game on his own account though. It's possible that he represents the dead generally and that (for instance) the people he voted for yesterday were those who got the most votes from among the dead.

Also, well done on inh. Noting here that both inh and MM voted Wilgy for prefect.

Even if I'm wrong about Zuo Ci being Jay, I think he is most likely a representative of the collective dead and in this sense I'd call the role inherently town leaning.

And then there was one prefect left.

Boy am I glad you guys finally voted INH.

Now let's get Nutella.

Scotty wrote:Now let's get Nutella.

Why?

In this game nutella has lynched every successfully lynched member of the nanmans, and only one looks like a potential bus (the rest she seems on quite early). MP of the yellow turbans was out for her blood from the start until his death.

So why should we be out to get her? Doesn't that look like someone who is the definition of most likely not to be bad?

Golden wrote:Am I correct in labelling the following people as absent (as in, not posting or voting for at least ten days)

Bullzeye
Dunny
Jan
Leetic
Nerolunar
sig
Spacedaisy

What's your point?

Golden wrote:In this game nutella has lynched every successfully lynched member of the nanmans, and only one looks like a potential bus (the rest she seems on quite early). MP of the yellow turbans was out for her blood from the start until his death.

So why should we be out to get her? Doesn't that look like someone who is the definition of most likely not to be bad?

So? She voted for Wilgy Day 1. So did MM. I think Wilgy was looking to fight because he was a warrior.
Day 2, she votes right before the deadline as the useless 10th vote on Mm. She had no part in the creation of that lynch. Even if she had voted for Russ, with 8 votes, Mm would still have dueled. So that vote alone does nothing for Cred.
Day 3 is a wash because IIRC almost all the people with more than 3 votes have been revealed to be civ. So she could have voted for Stalin and we wouldn't have lynched him.
Day 4- now this is the one I go back and forth on. She votes Bass and Russ, to push votes ahead of MP, essentially giving Mp 2 more outs to not duel. From a perspective of Nutella being on YT, this vote is a save for sure. But you are correct that it is far unliklier that MP would throw her under the bus that early. This is the second day in a row that he votes for her, but at the end of the day, she didn't vote him. So... I think the case is still there that Mp WOULD do something like that but who really knows. I'd expect her to be a Nanman right now over YT.
Day 5- she votes in the middle of the pack on DP (a mislynch I started, unfortunately) and Caps. No info there.
Day 6- she basically saves Bass (who I don't think is bad) and votes DDL to tie the vote and pushes ahead Caps. Both are confirmed good now. Since I don't think Bass is bad, I don't see this vote as damning at all, since both of the forementioned players had reasonable suspicion I guess..
Day 7- but then doubles back and votes early for Bass and DDL. I thought she had not suspected Bass, or was she would have voted him yesterday, right? Or did I miss something? I haven't reread her reasoning on voting bass day 4, saving him on day 6 and doubling back on day 7. It's as if she's more carefree with her votes there
Day 8- now that's a risky vote if she is Nanman. 2nd vote on a low-voting day for INH. She also voted early, so it would be hard to save if need be. This does look like a positive look for her, so I'll give you that. It's not unheard of to bus a teammate if they look to be garnering attention, but she wasn't really. I'll ponder this one.
Day 9- she is the 5th vote on INH, and honestly does nothing for me. No one else had but 1 vote at the time of her voting, and INH was a foregone conclusion to be dueling with the amount of participation we've been having.

Also she's voted me like 3 times which I'm not bitter about....

Day 8 looks the best, but it only give me slight pause. Even a bad person votes for teammates at some point.

I'm confused. So it would appear, if no tomfoolery is afoot, that the teams are alternating kills. Since night 4, we haven't had both teams kill at the same time. Since then, this has been the kill schedule:

Night 5- Nanman.
Night 6- Yellow Turban.
Night 7- Nanman.
Night 8- no one died because we all were dancing around in the graveyard and brokered a deal with the spirits or some shit
Night 9- Nanman.


How likely is it that some construct slowed down the kills to that level?


ALSO even more importantly: we know a Nanman is still alive (only 3 of 5 are confirmed dead) and active enough to be submitting kills. So that handy little list that Golden posted of people not active in the past 10 days is looking good that they have a terrible chance of being Nanman.