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In what ways do we stand out?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Yes, you and Made. For different reasons though. I still have to reread the thread to get a more clear image.
Perhaps try working backwards from some other angles. Why is Player X bad. Why is Player Y good. Rather than feeling it out and hoping for an aha! moment. Change the way you are reading the posts? Would Mac say this to me if he was good, if he was bad? Etc.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:58 pmEveryone is neutral so far to me. Trying to remember the usernames so I can follow people more and get reads.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 7:12 pm That said
@novaselinenever
Gimmie a read on somebody.
I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:09 pmSo Dave's only made this one post. I've got zero meta on this guy as I've never played with him and I do have a history of getting pinged by people incorrectly and given it's just one post it's probably a relatively meaningless ping. I simply don't like that he justified his vote for Outworld as simply as deferring to Jay's explanation, which was actually a relatively decent justification and that is not what I am calling into question, I just doubt the sincerity of Dave's belief in Jimmy being an adequate reason to vote.
Also it has a bit of a tone of a forced introductory post. Those more familiar with this Dave can comment on what his town intro posts are generally like or Dave is like in general.
Him jumping on you and suspecting of being an Indie stood out for me. He didn't really give any reason, maybe he was half-serious and it was just a hunch. But he started avoiding your questions.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:15 pmIn what ways do we stand out?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Yes, you and Made. For different reasons though. I still have to reread the thread to get a more clear image.
Don't let my constant questions interfere with your efforts to read the thread. Do what you gotta do and get back to me when you're comfortable.
You've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.
Civve afnovaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:22 pmHim jumping on you and suspecting of being an Indie stood out for me. He didn't really give any reason, maybe he was half-serious and it was just a hunch. But he started avoiding your questions.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:15 pmIn what ways do we stand out?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:14 pm
Yes, you and Made. For different reasons though. I still have to reread the thread to get a more clear image.
Don't let my constant questions interfere with your efforts to read the thread. Do what you gotta do and get back to me when you're comfortable.
You, because of your Town read on him. I don't see where that came from. And it happened directly after him suspecting you and avoiding your questions.
Why did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pmAlso Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.
Wow you're really going to tunnel him straight out the gate aren't you... uninterested in genuinely finding bad guys and instead more interested in just getting Sloonei lynched? The question is whether you were genuinely pinged by him and now just want to feel great about your bad guy hunting skill or whether you are just fake hunting as a scum guy. Could be possible hard distancing as scum teammates... I would totally expect that of you two so that's gotta be on the table.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pmWhy did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pmAlso Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.
I didn't have a reason to respond to it initially because you didn't seem to be expressing any reason to suspect me. It seemed more like a mission statement rather than a declaration of suspicion: "I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game." I only addressed the post in the context of the discussion around Made. I frankly do not care about your stance on me here because it doesn't appear that you have one. You have a hypothesis that I am bad. Get back to me when you find the symptoms of my badness, Doctor.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pmWhy did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pmAlso Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.
I discarded the first one because, imo, the justification for his vote or lack of justification doesn't mean anything. He is new and isn't used to this format. I myself voted and I can't justify my choice because I don't know what's going on.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:32 pmYou've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.
I am pinged the way that you made a passing remark to somewhat discredit me even though you agree that he's sus.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 pmI discarded the first one because, imo, the justification for his vote or lack of justification doesn't mean anything. He is new and isn't used to this format. I myself voted and I can't justify my choice because I don't know what's going on.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:32 pmYou've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.
My read on him : I'm suspicious of him. I know him to be much more active. His post felt forced as if he just wanted to seem like he participated.
Did I? Where did I do that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:52 pmDid I? Where did I do that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.
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lack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
I see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pmlack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
I think you expect more from me than I'm equipped to give you. I just talk. That's all I've ever done.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pmI see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pmlack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
what if I said I didn't get the impression you were sincerely trying to read me earlier?Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pmI think you expect more from me than I'm equipped to give you. I just talk. That's all I've ever done.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pmI see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pmlack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
But you are.
Care to guess 1st? Why wouldn't I be serious?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 pmNot sure if serious
I want reasons for those first two. Don't care how shallow.
Why patronize the idea of me finding symptoms of you being bad if you are good Sloonster? If you are civ the symptoms wouldnt exist. Would you want me to be chasing my tail like a puppy if I was a civilian on your team?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:44 pmI didn't have a reason to respond to it initially because you didn't seem to be expressing any reason to suspect me. It seemed more like a mission statement rather than a declaration of suspicion: "I'm going to prove to you that Sloonei is bad this game." I only addressed the post in the context of the discussion around Made. I frankly do not care about your stance on me here because it doesn't appear that you have one. You have a hypothesis that I am bad. Get back to me when you find the symptoms of my badness, Doctor.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:34 pmWhy did it take you so long to comment on this? Why did you provide a reason other than suspicion when I said I was suspicious of you?Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 6:50 pmAlso Made has wilgy as his second strongest town read on the strength of this post and nothing else (wilgy's only other contribution at the time of made's rainbow was an OT comment about jack's avatar). I guess I overlooked this post when I was discussing Made's observation about heat on me, but I don't really take this seriously since it doesn't seem like wilgy's expressing an actual suspicion of me, rather he's just shaking his fist at me for having close to 50 posts on Day 0. I'd shake my fist at me too. That's ridiculous.
I don't understand any of Made's reads, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from liking that they exist at this point.
I'd post a picture of the fat conductor from Thomas the Tank Engine with the "hohoho you are wrong" caption.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:02 pmwhat if I said I didn't get the impression you were sincerely trying to read me earlier?Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:01 pmI think you expect more from me than I'm equipped to give you. I just talk. That's all I've ever done.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pmI see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pmlack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
I don't know what 'pinged' means man lol.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:49 pmI am pinged the way that you made a passing remark to somewhat discredit me even though you agree that he's sus.novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:45 pmI discarded the first one because, imo, the justification for his vote or lack of justification doesn't mean anything. He is new and isn't used to this format. I myself voted and I can't justify my choice because I don't know what's going on.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:32 pmYou've discarded one of Mac's suspicions of Dave and accepted the other. What is your own read on Dave?novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:18 pm I'm familiar with him. Don't really know where you're going with this. I don't see why would he lie about his reason to vote. He's new to this format and don't really know what's going on. He could just vote at random without justifying it and I'm sure most people wouldn't have a problem with it.
I do agree though that the post felt like a forced introduction. And he didn't stick around afterwards.
My read on him : I'm suspicious of him. I know him to be much more active. His post felt forced as if he just wanted to seem like he participated.
I want town wilgy to do what town wilgy needs to do to feel comfortable in this game. I also don't appreciate being told I should address suspicions which don't exist, hence the tone of snark.
Why judge my suspicion as nonexistent without a question? You devote such time to your stream of posts and I didn't get one until someone else drew it out and I yelled about it. Porque?
Nah, they're your reads. I don't care to guess. Besides, then you could just steal my reasons. Ain't gonna work.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 pmCare to guess 1st? Why wouldn't I be serious?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 pmNot sure if serious
I want reasons for those first two. Don't care how shallow.
I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm I'll put my continued concerns about Quin into words:
He has made a lot of posts in quick succession. Typically this is something I would like. It's great to facilitate content and to generate a real life bonafide Mafia game thread. However, in Quin's posts I see a lot of reads thrown into a heap with few or no legible origins -- they seem to merely exist for the sake of existence. This contrasts the facilitation provided by other early contributors (Sloonei, speedchuck, and MacDougall to name a few) which features reads drawn from visible thread content. Their reads might not be well-informed, understandably on Day 0, but I still know where they came from. Quin's reads? I generally don't know. I'm not sure he does either.
"Gut."
I question the sincerity of this facilitation effort and wonder if it's meant for appearances.
Fair. I respect that.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pmNah, they're your reads. I don't care to guess. Besides, then you could just steal my reasons. Ain't gonna work.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 pmCare to guess 1st? Why wouldn't I be serious?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 pmNot sure if serious
I want reasons for those first two. Don't care how shallow.
Why wouldn't you be serious? Tone, your username, your sel-- I guess the selections are fine. Tone and username.
U right. My b.
I'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.
That's because I wasn't progressing my read of you in your line of questioning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pmI'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.
I'll let you by with that, but if we were actually in the voting stage and you went there, I'd want more. Like what the meta difference is.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:13 pmFair. I respect that.speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pmNah, they're your reads. I don't care to guess. Besides, then you could just steal my reasons. Ain't gonna work.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:03 pmCare to guess 1st? Why wouldn't I be serious?speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:42 pmNot sure if serious
I want reasons for those first two. Don't care how shallow.
Why wouldn't you be serious? Tone, your username, your sel-- I guess the selections are fine. Tone and username.
Gut and meta for both.
I'm curious as to why you excluded Sloonei in your question. Why?
I invite you to share a reason for suspecting me.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pmWhy judge my suspicion as nonexistent without a question? You devote such time to your stream of posts and I didn't get one until someone else drew it out and I yelled about it. Porque?
Green: You might as well tell me that you don't understand why I would read one guy as a civilian and another guy as mafia in general. The sincerity of content put in the thread and judgments thereof makes up a very large portion of the civilian side of this game we call Mafia and some call Werewolf.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.
I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.
It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.
where did your read of me originate?Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:17 pmThat's because I wasn't progressing my read of you in your line of questioning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pmI'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.
I'm not satisfied that I did what you say I did given there are four of your orange reads and I only commented at length on one but I'll put it down to you just being enthusiastic and speaking out of line.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:55 pmMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:52 pmDid I? Where did I do that?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:21 pm MacDougall is a civilian because he just explained the orange names in my rainbow list for me, with pretty much the same rationale, without me having to explain them myself.Click spoiler:
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I didn't re-read your content before I said that but if I am being honest I didn't even know you had made any reads. I've been trying to carefully read everything too. Sorry.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:58 pmI see less overtly civilian inspiration in you than I'd expect from 40+ Day 0 posts.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:57 pmlack of genuine townlike play, huhMacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:50 pmHis reaction to the initial suspicion of him was fairly ambiguous. His lack of genuine townlike play is alarming. I have him as my biggest scumread.
I don't think that is tunneling. What Wilgy is doing to Sloonei is tunneling. Jimmy is actually making reads based on your content. Wilgy said that Sloonei was bad and has now been provoking him in an attempt to justify his opinion. He's even refused to extrapolate on his reads.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pmI've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:06 pm I'll put my continued concerns about Quin into words:
He has made a lot of posts in quick succession. Typically this is something I would like. It's great to facilitate content and to generate a real life bonafide Mafia game thread. However, in Quin's posts I see a lot of reads thrown into a heap with few or no legible origins -- they seem to merely exist for the sake of existence. This contrasts the facilitation provided by other early contributors (Sloonei, speedchuck, and MacDougall to name a few) which features reads drawn from visible thread content. Their reads might not be well-informed, understandably on Day 0, but I still know where they came from. Quin's reads? I generally don't know. I'm not sure he does either.
"Gut."
I question the sincerity of this facilitation effort and wonder if it's meant for appearances.
I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.
It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.
To what end?Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm okay before we get too much further i want to ask real quick...
@Dave
@Glorfindel
@Gumshoe
@lapluie
@MacDougall
@novaselinenever
@TonyStarkPrime
could you each briefly summarize your past mafia playing history? How long have you been playing for? What site are you from? Have you played on the syndicate before? If no, are there any players in this game you have prior experience playing with?
This.
Then why did you feel the need to support your point with mention of speedchuck's, Sloonei's and MacDougall's reads then? "Quin's reads are bad because theirs are more explicit". What?JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:18 pmGreen: You might as well tell me that you don't understand why I would read one guy as a civilian and another guy as mafia in general. The sincerity of content put in the thread and judgments thereof makes up a very large portion of the civilian side of this game we call Mafia and some call Werewolf.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:11 pm I've given three reads. Kyle, Sloonei, and Elohcin. All of which have clear origins if you don't need me to spell everything out to the letter.
I don't know why you're comparing my reads to others as though that factor alone is indicative of alignment.
It's Day 0 and you're already tunneling.
Orange: Read me immediately.
Drawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.
At some imprecise point when I wasn't even looking at the game.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:19 pmwhere did your read of me originate?Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:17 pmThat's because I wasn't progressing my read of you in your line of questioning.Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:16 pmI'm not sure what to do with this post from Quin most of all. Our conversation started with him giving me a town read. I then dragged us into a discussion of my recent mafia meta (Quin and I were recently a mafia hydra-pairing together on MU) and, after some initial hesitation, he identified some possible signs to differentiate between my town and scum play. I wanted to get a feel for whether or not these thoughts were something he was factoring into his read of me here (this did not seem to be the case), and instead his reason for town reading me was expressed in three letters: gut. I don't object to Quin gut reading me. But I don't like the sequence of events leading up to the declaration of this gut read and his answers to my questions did not seem to reflect an earnest progression of thoughts.
I don't give a damn about your demand. Stop looking in black and white.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pmDrawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.
I have no use for gray. Gray is a waste of my precious civilian time. You don't have to give a damn about my demand, but my capacity to believe in you is unlikely to change for the better if you cannot even provide a read on your attacker.Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:24 pmI don't give a damn about your demand. Stop looking in black and white.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 9:23 pmDrawing a contrast to players who are making reads in a way I read as sincere sheds light on why I suspect yours to be insincere. This is obvious. You're making up questions and you didn't answer my demand.