The Syndicate

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:29 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:22 pm And I answered you and you want to get into an argument of semantics. You don’t like my answer, fine. But I’m not arguing at length over stuff that doesn’t get us anywhere. You can go argue with someone else. It is nonsense to argue the meaning of the word misrepresentation. If I think you are bad you will have no question about it. I have no problems putting my reads in the thread.

I have not quoted the wrong thing. That was what you asked me to show you.

Ugh.

It is not nonsense to question the motivations of using pointed commentary to describe how I have behaved when there are less pointed ways of describing it. This is analysing your behaviour in a very ordinary way. "Why did he choose to use this descriptor". It's very basic and ordinary scum hunting, not some horrible encroachment on your peace and tranquility.

I was asking the question of why you would say I am misrepresenting you as opposed to pointing at that I am misunderstanding you. There are ways to describe what I did from your perspective, many of them, and you chose the most provocative and accusatory way to describe it, which contrasts with the fact that you do not suspect me. It's a valid concern.

I will not be pushed around by someone over simply doing my civilian duty. Pull your head in.

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

Foxtrot wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:37 am

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:10 pm Anyone else still think it's weird that Bravo was on the winning lynch train and immediately thought we had lynched a baddie?

[VOTE: bravo] aubergine

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 pm Because they are both true, imo.

Day 1 reads are unreliable. Especially civ ones. Sorry Echo, it's just the truth. We have to stay paranoid for people who changed the way they post, even if in slight ways.

But we also have to come up with some reason to vote. And the Day 1 stuff is there to analyse, can't run away from it. And besides, the very nature of the ability should make baddie reads more reliable than civ ones, since only civs will be swapped.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 pm Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.

The fact that you felt the need to make this second post after the first is enough reason to lynch you today. You clearly became self conscious of having that first post analysed and tried to get in front of it. This is something that nets Mafia A LOT.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:20 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated

Correct

ooooooh. thanks.

I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.

I presume you've quoted the wrong thing here?

I am questioning you. This is not a "meaningless fucking argument", this is me trying to analyse your motivations and roles. Avoiding assisting me does not assist a civilian outcome.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:58 am Delta's post-mortem read of Golf is absolute doo doo. Delta is bad.

"That’s how civ his ISO looked to me". Lol.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:07 pm

Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:08 pm [VOTE: Golf] aubergine

I'd not echo echo, but he is very right. The number of times I see mafia say "You are now my town read" is huge. Same for "Not sure if awkward roleplay or scum."

hmm

[VOTE: Alpa] aubergine. I do not like this vote. I do not like that Alpha was cautious about sheeping Echo too much. I do not know if I believe either of the tells they mentioned are real things.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:47 pm I am surprised, as I was expecting two deaths. I did not expect the disguiser kill to replace the factional kill, but rather to be an additional kill to the regularly scheduled factional kill.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:33 pm Hence why I am asking this question Delta. There are other ways a second kill does not appear. Quite basic and ordinary civilian roles exist to prevent Mafia kills.

I never even remotely entertained the notion that there was only one kill until this flip and nobody batted an eyelid. I was entirely under the impression the disguiser kill was an additional one.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:39 pm Historically this engagement makes Delta a civilian. I can't recall ever having a little hissy fit shit fight with a wolf, at least not near as often as it occurs with civilians.

So that being said, who do you have suspicion of Delta?

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:00 pm i find "bravo slipped!" to be more suspicious than the alleged slip itself was

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:59 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:39 pm Historically this engagement makes Delta a civilian. I can't recall ever having a little hissy fit shit fight with a wolf, at least not near as often as it occurs with civilians.

So that being said, who do you have suspicion of Delta?

This feels like such buddying.

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:09 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 12:59 pm

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:39 pm Historically this engagement makes Delta a civilian. I can't recall ever having a little hissy fit shit fight with a wolf, at least not near as often as it occurs with civilians.

So that being said, who do you have suspicion of Delta?

This feels like such buddying.

why is this buddying any more than some other instance of a player saying "X looks like a civilian to me"?

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:13 pm i'm not voting for echo or delta. i'm not voting for alpha. i'm not voting for kilo.*

*only subject to reconsider if someone can give me a good argument that they're disguised. they look fine to me.

i want to murder Juliet immediately. i want to see the light leave their evil eyes.

Hotel is a disguise prospect. Foxtrot and Bravo are whatever. suspects by default.

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:07 pm number of posts made since the start of day 2 if i didn't miscount:

Echo - 23
Delta - 13
Juliet - 10
Hotel - 9
Charlie - 9
Kilo - 7
Bravo - 4
Alpha - 3
Foxtrot - 1

if one of these people is supposed to be india in disguise and the previous lurking is supposed to hold, the options are at the bottom there. i view this as a pretty flimsy premise in general (i'm not even convinced india was the disguiser), but it's worth a look. someone who cares about this theory should tell me which one of these people is fake.

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:32 pm Meaning the least likely person we would want to lynch today probably should be lynched today.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:07 pm

Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Jun 24, 2019 7:08 pm [VOTE: Golf] aubergine

I'd not echo echo, but he is very right. The number of times I see mafia say "You are now my town read" is huge. Same for "Not sure if awkward roleplay or scum."

hmm

[VOTE: Alpa] aubergine. I do not like this vote. I do not like that Alpha was cautious about sheeping Echo too much. I do not know if I believe either of the tells they mentioned are real things.

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm @Alpha what are you waiting for with your vote

deadline in 5 hours. someone tell me why Juliet is a civilian

Bravo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 25, 2019 12:55 am One down already. Good job!

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:15 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm @Alpha what are you waiting for with your vote

deadline in 5 hours. someone tell me why Juliet is a civilian

Just curious, who's your second choice to vote for besides me?

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:12 pm @Alpha what are you waiting for with your vote

deadline in 5 hours. someone tell me why Juliet is a civilian

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:07 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:06 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sure they do, they’re probably someone else now.

Wait, that's not how it works, is it? If mafia targeted a player to kill and assume control of their account, I don't think the kill would be announced to the thread.

Why not? How can we even distinguish it from a normal kill?

I assume we would see "no kill" and one of the accounts would secretly switch owners.

Alpha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:24 pm On note we get no flip unless oracle exist and die. If Juliet scum we not know. No lynching for info, only for scum.

Juliet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:55 pm

Alpha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:24 pm On note we get no flip unless oracle exist and die. If Juliet scum we not know. No lynching for info, only for scum.

So it doesn't even help you guys out if I die. Let's come up with some better lynch candidates.

Alpha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 1:06 pm I am dropping the weird voice for one post. This is important and I am unsure about it.

Echo has claimed to believe that there are possibly two kills in the game. He/she/they/it has argued about this, asked for proof, and badgered people about the answers.

The rules at the beginning of the game do not make this clear. I checked. They don't. But mafia would know one way or another by day two, and Echo supposedly didn't.

Why did Echo not ask the host?

Echo's ignorance is not genuine. If they wanted to know, they could have easily asked privately. And further, I'd say that if they have any conception of game balance, they would already know the answer. And even further, this setup was played on this site before. So we are faced with two options:

Echo is pleading ignorance for a hard townread. It is a scum gambit.
Echo is prodding others to see why they assumed there would only be one kill. It is a town gambit, and a nearly useless one for the reasons stated above.

I would like a response from Echo. If the ignorance is genuine, why not ask the host? If it's not, what do you hope to accomplish?

Charlie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:27 pm also alpha may be my strongest civilian read right now for reasons

Echo wrote: ↑Thu Jun 27, 2019 7:32 pm I don't like voters on either of the main two wagons and we need to consolidate now.

Right now I am want to just execute Foxtrot.