The Syndicate

Is that what I said? That I want to lynch you?

And rainbow lists ain't my thing.

Well, normally when you are trying to build a case on someone its so that you can try to get them lynched. Let me guess, you were just testing my reactions and you really don't feel the way you posted.

I'm onto you buddy boy!

Who are you really looking at to lynch today? I only have a little bit of time at the moment while I wait on my cakes to cool. But I will be back for sure later after the cupcakes and birthday cake for Jesus is done.

Ricochet wrote:It's oh so quiet shhh shhh

Not a creature was stirring, not even a mafia.

I apologize but my participation will be sparse today- as I'm sure most people are similarly experiencing. But since this is a 24 hour cycle, I will make sure I get a vote in before the deadline.

My top candidates today are 2 people that have posted slightly but just enough to show face. I will hopefulyl expand on why I am suspicious of these people as we get closer:

-sprityo: said he may come back to share opinions, but until then hasn't really added anything to the discussion. I'm actually feeling worse about him the more i think about it. He has checked in enough that it tells me he at least has enough time to give more cursory reads than his soft predictions in Day 2 (of which I questioned a few things and he hasn't answered).

-Llama: he hasn't posted in the night ever (does he normally do that?) and when he does post in the day, it's about 2-3 posts that have much to be desired in terms of reads. His most recent was an immediate vote against Enrique, with a "will you guys listen to me and vote Enrique now" and I'm listening but all I hear is hot air and sweet sweet nothings.

I'm going to vote for Llama now, there have been several pings against him for me and I'm willing to give it a try.

Long Con wrote:I'm going to vote for Llama now, there have been several pings against him for me and I'm willing to give it a try.

He's my #1 suspect as well. I guess I will go ahead and vote too. *llama*

I'm voting for llama, too. But I have a question: LC, how do Elo's most recent responses to you make you feel about her?

Elohcin's responses surprised me. I didn't think I was making a case against her, I was just clarifying my earlier misconception that Epi would have most likely given her a Civ role. I felt she was needlessly defensive about it.

Long Con wrote:Elohcin's responses surprised me. I didn't think I was making a case against her, I was just clarifying my earlier misconception that Epi would have most likely given her a Civ role. I felt she was needlessly defensive about it.

Sorry, I read it as a case against me and I am used to being told I must defend myself again suspicions or I look bad.

That's how I felt, LC. I'll go further, though, and say that the tone and substance of her responses made me second guess my desire to vote for llama. Still thinking on this

This is so stupid. I was being so helpful, active, and I still get looked at like I'm a baddie. I am convinced that no matter what I do in a mafia game, I will be looked at as a baddie. Whatever. Who cares anymore. Cause I know others will follow LC and Drac on this. It's how it goes for me. I seriously may stop playing mafia b/c the only way I can last a good length of time in a game is by not saying much at all. Then I eventually get lynched for not saying much at all. I need to leave the syndicate as Elohcin and change my name then come back and have no one know who I am. I think that's the only way I an get you all to stop suspecting me for stupid crap. *throws hands up in the air*

Voted llama, I hope it's the right choice.

Will check back in when I'm done with the family gathering we're doing

Elohcin wrote:This is so stupid. I was being so helpful, active, and I still get looked at like I'm a baddie. I am convinced that no matter what I do in a mafia game, I will be looked at as a baddie. Whatever. Who cares anymore. Cause I know others will follow LC and Drac on this. It's how it goes for me. I seriously may stop playing mafia b/c the only way I can last a good length of time in a game is by not saying much at all. Then I eventually get lynched for not saying much at all. I need to leave the syndicate as Elohcin and change my name then come back and have no one know who I am. I think that's the only way I an get you all to stop suspecting me for stupid crap. *throws hands up in the air*

Chill out, sistah! No one has voted for you. The person you want lynched looks like he's getting lynched. All's well in your world if he's a baddie. Even if he's not, it's not the end of the world for you. YOU ARE FREAKING OUT!

Who is a Wet Bandit?

Poll ended at Thu Dec 24, 2015 8:16 pm

DFaraday
0
No votes

Draconus
0
No votes

Elohcin
0
No votes

Enrique
1
thellama73 (2)
10%

Long Con
0
No votes

Scotty
0
No votes

sprityo
0
No votes

thellama73
4
Long Con (6), Elohcin (7), Draconus (8), Scotty (10)
40%

Hold out your little paw there (The Host, the Non, the Dead)
5
Epignosis (1), MovingPictures07 (3), TheFloyd73 (4), a2thezebra (5), Typhoony (9)
50%


Total votes : 10

thellama73 could finally be home and see her son. After riding with a dead polka player, her perseverance would pay off.

thellama3 gripped the handle of the front door. She heard her hand before she felt it. She ran down the slick steps to bury her hand in the snow, but slipped and broke her neck.

thellama73 was Kate McCallister.

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:This is so stupid. I was being so helpful, active, and I still get looked at like I'm a baddie. I am convinced that no matter what I do in a mafia game, I will be looked at as a baddie. Whatever. Who cares anymore. Cause I know others will follow LC and Drac on this. It's how it goes for me. I seriously may stop playing mafia b/c the only way I can last a good length of time in a game is by not saying much at all. Then I eventually get lynched for not saying much at all. I need to leave the syndicate as Elohcin and change my name then come back and have no one know who I am. I think that's the only way I an get you all to stop suspecting me for stupid crap. *throws hands up in the air*

Chill out, sistah! No one has voted for you. The person you want lynched looks like he's getting lynched. All's well in your world if he's a baddie. Even if he's not, it's not the end of the world for you. YOU ARE FREAKING OUT!

Shit.

WHats up with not seeing linkies.

*sigh* RIP Llama. I really thought he was acting out of character for his civ self. And apparently several others agreed :/ Frustrating.

OK. That sucked donkey dicks. Sorry Llama.

Reading back the past hours today, I see Elo had a bit of a freakout, holy crap. Like, did she blow a gasket? I don't really see LC throwing a lynching party, so...

She's more on my radar for that. She and sprityo both.

sprityo posted in other threads, and did not vote today. What gives?

And if I didn't know any better, I'm starting to get fish eyes with a possible LC/Draco pairing. When was the last time they didn't agree on something?

Literally any of you could be bad. And you know what's making it even harder to nail the bandits? Do I even need to say it? OK, here it is: Lack of participation. If we had more discussion from half of the town, maybe we could have caught someone by now. The timing of this game during the holidays is doing us no service.

@Epi can we get replacements if the other players don't want to play?


When my family leaves tonight I will have some time to better analyze every person that has talked to get a better grip on whom we should lynch tomorrow. Because this is getting ridiculous.

As an actual question, scotty, if I asked you if you were buzz, would you be willing to answer?

Also (ahh these days are so short!)

This is basing off your Day 0 shenanigans

sprityo wrote:As an actual question, scotty, if I asked you if you were buzz, would you be willing to answer?

Also (ahh these days are so short!)

tbh I would rather not say yet. We're getting a little short handed, and to claim so would be a bad idea imo.

I'll be back in about 4 hours with some ISOs most likely.

We celebrated a family Thanksgiving dinner tonight because we all missed each other last month. Then we're watching a movie.

Also hi, I'm here now since it's nighttime and I am able to be away from family.

If you guys are going to seriously consider me for a possible target, I'm gonna need to stuff thrown to me to refute. Such as, "I think X is aligned/anti aligned with Y." "Interactions between A and B seem a bit scummy/buddying/odd."

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Looking over some stuff:

Okay so I can see why you guys voted for llama, yeah. Didn't look the best

I'm honestly in a null over DF and longcon I can lean town towards. Let's see, did he ever get to that Scotty evaluation he said he would?: sorta not really? He did a comparison between a llama-Scotty team and that's about the extent of it. I would totally love to see it though when the chance comes!

I'm gonna read Draco over again. I'm under suspicion of Scotty-Draco team right now. This is basing off of Rico's post prior to his death in which he noted the incongruent-ness of the MM vote. This could be enough to warrant a death for Rico, especially if we're consider a town!Eloh scenario (which I am giving slack due to the upset post).


Okay so going over the posts Draco has made, it's mostly

-fluff
-Enrique/MM
-mostly day 2 talking
-doesn't give a reasonable explanation for llama vote as far as I can see
-throwing out a couple questions here and there as like an addition to what someone else said

Seems kinda bandwagon-y and hiding in the back in my opinion.

I didn't finish my thought on the town Eloh scenario: the conditions was Eloh was just misstepping and aiding the mafia in lynching town, there they have no reason to kill them.

@scotty would you be willing to answer for lylo/mylo?

Things to note: it's mylo tomorrow unless doctor saves/mafia doesn't night kill for whatever reason

In reality they would want to target someone who is here to contribute.

And I'll be DAMNED surprised if they don't kill Scotty or longcon. (I'll bet you some smash coins Scotty lives for tomorrow*)

*not really, but I'm like so sure

I just found this and it made me lol:


I'm leaving out Enrique and DFaraday because frankly there's not much to go on with them. In a different circumstance, I would be down for flipping a coin on them, but I think we can rally here.

And I'ma be DAMNED surprised if I make it to the next day, for the record.

Draconus: Missed Day 1 entirely. Says he would have voted Wilgy because even though he suspected Enrique, he didn't want to vote him due to a prior game.

In Day 2, he claims not to have a one-track mind and voting MM. Admits that even though MM is usually more subtle as a baddie, he "just can't shake" Wilgy's vote for MM.

When MM was lynched, he says it wouldn't have mattered if he had switched his vote at that point.

But he did no service convincing the pack otherwise that MM could have been a red herring by Wilgy. I'm not sure if it should be considered sincere or not, since he really made no move, and he "kept checking in to see if anyone else had moved, and they did not. So [he] didn't either. Yes, a vote for Enrique would have tied the vote, but [he was] still not comfortable voting for him yet."

This is like watching someone who is writhing around on fire begging for help, and sitting back going, "Well, someone will come save him!"

And giving Enrique another day off, because he was afraid it would have probably just been "a tie between two civs". On the surface, this empathically makes sense, because if he has nothing to go on and nothing to add besides what the pack said, then why endanger a possible civ? If he doesn't believe one or the other to be bad, then what's the use of being a tag-along vote for a probably civ?

This just seemed like a lazy vote to me. To not have conviction for a person but vote for him anyway comes off as a fly-on-the-wall voting. Not necessarily baddie-leaning, but a lazy vote nonetheless.

Draconus wrote:I understand why I look bad to you. I can't really defend my actions/comments more than I already have without sounding like a broken record. But I don't think any of the MM voters are bad. I think LCs point is sound and that we should be looking at everyone else. Easy for me to say, I know, but I believe llama and Scotty are our best bets. I will most likely be voting for one of them in the next Day phase.

OK, so he sort of responded to Rico's criticism of his MM vote. But he then pushes away the MM voters (LC/Elo/Rico/himself) from the limelight and pushes it back on me and llama.

Fast forward to today, where he votes llama...for no apparent reason other than LC and Elo voted llama in a row. In the same post where he says he's voting llama, he brings up Elo's response striking him as odd, asking LC for his opinion, saying that

Draconus wrote:the tone and substance of her responses made me second guess my desire to vote for llama. Still thinking on this

And, like MM's vote, he doesn't vote for her, and keeps it on llama.

My read: He's pretty wallflowery. The pattern for both day 2 and 3 is: lazy vote, talk about voting someone else, but not committing to it, and 'aw shucks'ing when the player he voted along with the group on was a civ. He doesn't look good to me right now.


I'm still going with my reads and will have to finish up tomorrow- it's 3am and I'm tired. Up next is Elo-LC-sprityo.

LC/Draco pairing, Scotty?
LC is the only person I trust because I protected him on Night 1. I protected Rico on Night 2, but unfortunately for him I was blocked. So yeah, I've been agreeing with LC because he's made sense to me. Obviously he's been wrong, but we're both a bit misguided. Not anymore.
Why do I bring this up now? I was blocked last night. I've been figured out, so I think it's obvious who I will be protecting tonight. Sorry to whomever else they target.

KEVIN!!!

My day has been ridiculously busy- I'm running behind on my ISOs, womp womp.

sprityo wrote:@scotty would you be willing to answer for lylo/mylo?

Things to note: it's mylo tomorrow unless doctor saves/mafia doesn't night kill for whatever reason

In reality they would want to target someone who is here to contribute.

And I'll be DAMNED surprised if they don't kill Scotty or longcon. (I'll bet you some smash coins Scotty lives for tomorrow*)

*not really, but I'm like so sure

I would maybe be willing depending on who dies tonite. Plus if I do die tonight, like you claim, then you will know exactly who I am.

Draconus wrote:LC/Draco pairing, Scotty?
LC is the only person I trust because I protected him on Night 1. I protected Rico on Night 2, but unfortunately for him I was blocked. So yeah, I've been agreeing with LC because he's made sense to me. Obviously he's been wrong, but we're both a bit misguided. Not anymore.
Why do I bring this up now? I was blocked last night. I've been figured out, so I think it's obvious who I will be protecting tonight. Sorry to whomever else they target.

Wow. I actually really hope that you can protect yourself man, if that is what you are implying. Now that makes sense why you seemed to trust everything LC said. Unless you aren't really who you say you are and are baiting us. And I don't think you are. But- If you think you had been figured out from being blocked, why didn't you let us know yesterday before we lynched Llama?

Draco, Draco, Draco!!! Why would you out yourself man? No game of Epi's that I have ever played allows self targeting. How do you expect to like through the night? SMH!

I thought Llama was bad

And Elo, since info dumping and role-claiming are allowed, I thought I'd give it a shot before I die.
But right now I'm looking at a Scotty/DF duo. It would make sense for Scotty to push the lynch of an inactive teammate. Major street cred.
But if no death occurs tonight, I would look at Elo as a main culprit. If no death occurs, I'll explain further.

I don't see why any baddies would try to get their teammate lynched for street cred in this game. In other games where there are 3, 4, or even 5 baddies in the game, yes, but not here where there are only two baddies. I would think they would want to stay alive so they can have as many votes as possible, right?

Why would I be to blame if there is no death? I'm confused as to what your thoughts are on this.

If the teammate is completely inactive it would be worth trying.

And as I said, I'll explain if there's no death

k

Draconus sat in church. "You're always welcome at church," he thought, watching his granddaughter's choral rehearsal. Even though the neighborhood kids said his salt turned into mummies, he still acted out of kindness. When the music was over, he hobbled down the aisle, and stopped to admire the moonlight shining upon the cross above the choir loft. He didn't expect a paint can to come flying down toward his bearded face.

Draconus has been killed by the Wet Bandits. He was Old Man Marley.

Well well, in the toss up. I'm willing to put aside scotty for something between Enrique and DF.

I'm not above lynching longcon either. Yea I did say "I lean town" but that's not me saying "you're a precious cinnamon roll too pure for this world." In all reality it's more of DF or Longcon since Enrique has nothing we could possibly hope to build against him besides afk

Also I put on Draco claiming: he didn't need to claim per say. Especially since it was the night. Would've been better to have see if he died first, then claim at day start.

Ebwop: I take it back. Enrique and DF haven't been here since day 0

What I really need is the response from Scotty now.

If you didn't want to full claim Scotty, tell me: are you one of Peter or Buzz?

In the meantime I'm going to look at longcon to see if I can change my mind

RIP Drac. Hate we lost you, of course. I really wish you hadn't outed yourself. 4 vs 2, we can still do this.

Longcon:

Day 0-1: fluff and long words. Not really andwering questions, more like asking in response to avoid answering. Does the whole "voting Scotty" shaboodle and keeps his reasoning to himself for "reasons."

Day 2: "I'm going to make reads I swear" "you guys keep talking do I don't want to post my thoughts"
Marsh gets lynched and he then says he'll be looking into scotty and llama.

Day 3: more fluff, talks about how he thinks Eloh is town. Then goes to lynch llama. Still no real read into Scotty.

IMO longcon has been smart about the game, but more in sense of throwing the attention away from himself and halfway following up with reads

Only town points I'm giving is for buddying with Eloh.

Which even then, ?????

Dammit. Dammit dammit dammit.

sprityo wrote:Well well, in the toss up. I'm willing to put aside scotty for something between Enrique and DF.

I'm not above lynching longcon either. Yea I did say "I lean town" but that's not me saying "you're a precious cinnamon roll too pure for this world." In all reality it's more of DF or Longcon since Enrique has nothing we could possibly hope to build against him besides afk

Tbh man, you and Elo are on even terms with me. I'm finishing up Elo's ISO tonight, and will do yours as well, but at this point, LC is all but cleared as civ.
The doctor saved him N1. What kind of mind games would Mafia want to play by sneaking a fake kill N1? Come on man.

Yknow I totally was reading LC as Llama so that is a bad on my part

I mean if that's our surpreme override for it, which I can accept. Then who is pulling the mafia strings?

sprityo wrote:I mean if that's our surpreme override for it, which I can accept. Then who is pulling the mafia strings?

You tell me. It's either you or Elo IMO. Posting my thoughts on Elo in a sec.

Elohcin: General play talk Day 0, not much to read into.
End of Day 1, votes for DFaraday because she didn't like his self-vote. Nothing else caught her eye.

After Wilgy is lynched, she proposes knowledgable intent behind Wilgy's vote for MM, and votes for MM as such.

She banters with LC, claiming she thinks he is civ.

Day 2, she feels better about Drac after he explains his vote, and postures a team with either me/llama or llama/DF, since llama and I both voted Enrique, but llama was not in the thread.

I think we are dealing with at least one baddie who is lying low and Llama has that going for his case.

Like Rico and I, she was readily looking at inactives as a place for a baddie to hide. From this, she settles on llama and throws in DF in too (though I'm not sure why him).

She ISOs llama, and from what she gathers, she determines he was tunneling Enrique and was just voting enough to get by- enough to vote for.
She ISOs DFaraday, who has as many posts as I have balls. She says this isn't suspicious, and he's probably civ.
She ISOs sprityo, and comments that he has only summarized all game and given original content, and he's probably bad.
She ISOs me, and determines that although nothing "elaborately pings" her, something about me just seems "off", and her opinion is ??? about me.

I don't agree with her perception of DFaraday, though I can see why she thinks it.
I agree with her about sprityo, but I'll get to his ISOs in a bit.
I would have liked her to comment more on her lean towards me, because IMO if you can express that someone seems "off", you can put into words at least partially why. This seems wishy washy.


She says she wants to do an ISO on Draco after Rico felt suspicious of him, but decides to "take a break" a couple hours later. She never does ISO Draco.

Day 3, after Rico is killed, she delves into Rico's posts to determine a motive to kill him, links one post and says that he was looking at Draco/llama, but since Draco was talking more, that llama was more suspicious.

So she only links one post to pull info from, and from that post, leaves out his opinions of herself, LC, me and sprityo. How convenient.

Then she responds to LC's opinion that it fits her meta that she seems happier in games where she is civilian, by throwing a wall of text that is quite defensive. She gets testier than the SATs.

After LC votes for Llama, she does as well, saying he was her #1 suspect as well.
Draco and LC jump on her demeanor and she then blows up like 40 pounds of C4, where she feels unappreciated and let down.
A bit of an overreaction, I think.

My read: Aside from her freakout, nothing has seemed overtly off. She followed through with her votes with reasoning behind it.
If she is bad, I can see her freakout coming from a frustrated baddie who knows she's been caught.

Now that we're down to really 4 total contributors including myself, where LC is cleared as civ, she is a definite candidate for one of the mafia members.

Will hoppefully be able to do sprityo's ISO tomorrow noon. We need to buckle down and determine which is the best candidate to vote out, because while I still think one of Enrique/DFaraday is bad, we NEED to go on what info we have so far.