Re: Mass Effect Mafia (Night 5)
Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:00 pm
Yeah, night four was a double kill night.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:13 amWhy?Immortal_Raven wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:10 am Yay, I finally lynched someone.
I now trust Sprit very highly.
Mind giving your targets so far, Raven? I'm curious what your thought process has been each night.
Nope! Not until you tell me why I should. And even then, I'll probably pass.
No I was vanillafied because EDI died, I just jumped to conclusions because I thought any information was good information.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:04 amIt's a two shot and one of them hit you, right? Lotsa dead players that can't say they were vanillaed. I wouldn't say if I was vanillaed.
Regarding the possibility of forged Reaper autopsies, I can't see why you would do that. Making a doggie appear town or making a townie look like a doggie throws the town off track. We look for the mafia buddies of a townie or ignore scummy defense of a doggie. You could accidentally frame a bot as a dog and that mostly does the same thing.
Cerberus wants to look like they are hunting Reapers and Cerberus. So creating false leads for Cerberus players is useful to maintaining this illusion. Hunting for real Reapers and fake Reapers would make them look bad.
Even forging a townie as another townie could make whoever really has that role look bad or paint one of the two townies as Cerberus.
I don't see any reason to forge a player to look like a Reaper.
malakim2099 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:31 am Current Vote Count (Hey, this should be familiar to the Realmsers!)
Dyslexicon (6) - nutella, Immortal_Raven, Jackofhearts2005, CaptainNifty, SVS, Epignosis
CaptainNifty (1) - Dyslexicon
JackofHearts2005 (1) - sprityo
Did Not Vote: Marmot, insertnamehere
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So along with what I said earlier, and the voting results of yesterday, I wanted to add one last scenariosprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:10 am Alright so what I'm having a problem with is how half the living population is voting dizzy
If anything, we could presume either:
1. Dizzy is mafia and being bussed by a teammate
2. Dizzy is any alignment and being voted on by at least two mafia members, likely same team.
3. Dizzy is town and both mafia teams know it, plus the third party is voting against her (I told y'all we should've lynched him while we could)
This makes no sense...you thought he could be a Reaper...there was no way he was a Reaper, the Diz lynch doesn't alter this at all. Generally you should have the same read on Jack before as now, the timing now just seems convenient since you were so sure last phase and nothing of note changed in the game state regarding Jack.
So...pretty much exactly what happened with Silver?sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 5:30 pm What do you mean it doesn't make sense? The factor that changed was that a reaper was lynched. Therefore since a Reaper was lynched, and also a player who was very much against Jack, (however at the same time not willing to vote him), in my mind that would therefore flip the tables on the alignment.
It's the same thing as saying I don't not think X and Y are aligned and if X is mafia then Y must be town and vice versa.
I do not eliminate ALL doubt from jack, I've just raised him in the threshold above other players
I did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 pm I still would like Raven to walk me through it.
Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?
Didn't Sprityo ask you your target, you told him and then he was like "yep"?Immortal_Raven wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:16 pmI did it after Wilgy said he suspected sprityo and after Silver came up Reaper. So I had Wilgy who had a heavy hand in both early scum lynches with a newish lead. Add that to sprit's own suspicion of me at the time and I used the power.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 4:03 pm I still would like Raven to walk me through it.
Why Sprityo? Why Night 2/3? Why does Raven trust Sprityo now?
Now sprit RTed himself that night and confirmed my targeting. I didn't like the self-RT, but the two other options for tracking me that night are now not available. Dys being Saren and LC being a neutral meaning that the neutral I suspected can't be here due to balance if I believe Epi is Geth and I do. So yeah, sprit has a fairly confirmed power to me.
And that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.
There's a lot of things we can't proveJackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:53 pmAnd that's all well and good and makes self RTing perhaps better in this game than most.
But it doesn't make me think you are good. It's just a statement that can't be proven.
Cause he was a confirmed townie.
Okay, besides the obvious. Like I said, it would've benefitted them more to kill Cerberus.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 7:54 pmCause he was a confirmed townie.
6 vs 2 vs 1 (plus Epi) is better than 7 vs 1 vs 1 (plus Epi).
What's your case on Marmot/MP?
Sprityo's first substantial post.sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head
JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?
Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.
The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.
I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.
My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.
EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now
Early bad reads on me and Epi. Consistent.
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.
As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.
As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle
Skipping some posts about Nifty, Adam and GFish. In summary, Sprityo says GFish is null a time or two and Adam is bad, then he switches to GFish being more bad than Adam but says he wants me lynched more.
Funny reason cause I had but whatever. Kinda unclear why I'm worse than Adam and GFish, especially cause he puts forth a case on those two.sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:11 pmpoints at who i'm voting forFredwood wrote:Who are they?sprityo wrote: But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.
That one. I'm interested in that one.
he still hasnt answered my question from day 1 still im pretty sure, but if he has i apologize in advance
Then we go here.sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 06, 2017 6:46 pmOkay so im here, and i agree with Gfish's concept he's putting out right here. I was thinking the same thing.gfishfunk wrote:Another idea occurred to me: suppose Epi is Reaver aligned, not Geth. Epi claims Geth. If Geth is in the game, Geth has no reason to share it.
This opens a one-way information flow. Geth now can follow Epi's lead.
Due to Geth's power set-up, people have a disincentive to target Epi, believing him to be Geth.
I disagree. Scum factions need to hunt each other and will be looking at nightkilling each other if possible.Epignosis wrote:Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.
I personally believe that Epi will not die by nightkill this game if he keeps playing the way he is. I can barely tell he's trying to do anything besides save himself at this point. No content to counteract the defensive standpoint, it's all "fuck off, im more helpful to you all alive than not." which again, has been the exact opposite thus far.
Secondly, wanted to bring up Jack again and how there's a lot of comparing him to his performance in Phenon (It's PhenoN with an N, but i know mobile will autocorrect it, so phooey). essentially what im getting at here is this kind of push to get him lynched based off of a still single piece of evidence combined with these other weak stances and comparisons make me doubt if he should be lynched. Like if youre going to push to lynch a player, at least put some meat behind it yeah?
I hate that this entire ISO is about me but Sprityo isn't changing opinions on anybody but me and Epi. He's mostly (but not entirely) anti Epi. Not at all like Silver's pro-Epi stance.sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:50 pmI believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independentMovingPictures07 wrote:Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table
I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver
I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.
I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)
Oddly enough, Sprityo actually calls out the Silver meta catch.
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 11, 2017 11:01 pmThat's a negatory, ive used up both my RT's alreadyJackofhearts2005 wrote:Yeah. Wigly would have been a lot better.sprityo wrote:naw
anyways, ive already explained why i watched myself, if you choose not to believe that, well i apologize.
in my own words i said "If I am able to, i want to RT myself, otherwise i want to watch DrWilgy"
to which i got a response along the lines of "youre allowed to watch yourself" and i was like cool
but it appears my other course of action wouldve been better. damn you self targetting why did you have to be such a good idea in my head?
I'd like you to watch me tonight if you are who you say you are. I don't want to be silenced again. You don't have to say anything. Just throwing that out there.
I've got both shots of my other ability ready though
if you must know, Nobody targetted JoH Night 1
It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pmthat.....makes sense actually.CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pmIt's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.
alright then.
Also, im not sure where youre getting this idea from.Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:06 pm His GFish interactions are not my favorite, either. Like "Yeah, GFish is bad but why don't we lynch Jack for vague reasons."
^This post, Sprit. Very early from you. Why did you think Dizzy was town at this point?sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Apr 03, 2017 6:52 pm Alright im caught up first thing off the top of my head
JOH: GTH if you had to choose between saving DrWilgy, MP, or Gfish, who would you pick and why?
Personally in my mind, i have these three players in this stagnant pool where i cant pair them together at all. JOH ive seen recently has taken sides with DrWilgy so i want to know his response to this.
The reason i am currently voting LC is based off his performance in Phenon Mafia (yes i paid attention a little bit ), as of current i have a half meta, have gut read on LC. But i'll wave it off to meta due to it being only Day 1, which is considered a huge meta analysis day for a lot of people. LC's non-chalant, sorta playful (I cant think of a proper synonym) attitude today has left me believing he is up to his mafia aligned tricks again.
I will also go ahead and put out ill be doing more watching and digesting than regurgitating my thoughts as they come. (unless it's a funny comment, than ill probably immediately quote it). I have a habit of talking my way into a huge hole early game since i have to backing to anything and am atrocious at counter-arguing during these crucial setup days. I digress.
My current people i believe to be pretty top tier town are Llama and Dyslexicon.
EBWOP: also Epi is being real jokesy so that pings me little. But ill let it slide for now
sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 4:15 pm Okay so I'm brief, just having caught up on my phone. The lynch for jack has talk in the start of today and then sorta declined in discussion with a Epi stealing center stage. SVS's logic , re: the color codes, is plausible and is much more acceptable than the whole "Epi was roleblocked + no nightkill = scum" albeit I'm not a huge fan of Eli's response to situation, it seems very...odd, or forced nonchalant.
As for yesterday, LC, I've removed suspicion from you for now, I've liked your contributions so far today. Also saw Dom just put some stuff. It seems in accordance to what Dom will say to someone so it doesn't really say anything to me about him.
As far as some of the HCR guys, I'm still not fully decided on my opinions on really any of them yet. Still trying to wrap my head around Gfish since I've been seeing him both posting and talked about in between the Epignosis debacle
^Posts from Day Two regarding GFish vs Jacksprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:04 pmDrWilgy wrote:Sprit, I need thoughts on me, the 3 who voted epi (Nifty, Gfish, and Adam) right now.
Alright so-
Dr.Wilgy: Among his content, we have a typical DrWilgy day 0 with jokes and such. Moves into question asking with a decent half of his content focussed on Gfish. All his questions though seem appropriate with no malice behind them. I believe him to be working as a town should, trying to piece together either the whole puzzle, or figuring out where a piece fits in. He's taken the role of "Towny in the Spotlight" i want to say due to MP not being around to blow up the thread. Dr.Wilgy is confident one of Adam, Gfish, or Nifty is bad, however Adam and Nifty havent really been a focus of his as far as i can tell by looking through his ISO. Do you think that will bias your opinion at all Wilgy?
Moving on-
Gfish: So starting off, lots of mechanics talk and comparisons/recollections to past experiences. Has a small read list. Lists MP, Llama, LC, and Raven as his slightly less town reads. Most players are completely null as well as almost entirely consisting of Syndicate members, which is reasonable. He is able to make a better read over his familiar players as well as the people that are most apparent to him. I can understand that. Back to more mechanics talk. It's also worth noting he likes to switch his vote around a lot. Eventually ends day one by leaving his vote on llama. His day one performance overall didnt really make me like him as a town player at all, if anything it was a lot of content i personally cant really use. Only thing usable would be his actions themselves. Moving into day 2 now, night 1 posts did not happen, move immediately into a roleclaim and accusation of Epignosis based on Gfish's own knowledge of his role and the game information provided. This ends up being the real highlight conversation of the first 12 hours or so. The latter half of this time has been pursuing Epi. So after reading all this i can say i maintain what ive said about Gfish just now in what i thought about his day 1, he is trying to "scumhunt" but he is doing in a way i dont exactly agree with. Sorta beating around the bush.
Adam: Nothing especially note worthy up until day 2 except for his vote on llama. saying it fell to llama according to his "diagram." something about looking between LC and llama and deciding llama was the better choice. Day 2 has some more enlightening posts that make me feel good about Adam, i definetly look forward to seeing what he puts out in the coming days. But his initial voting for epignosis today was reasonable and his defense on why he thinks Gfish is probably town is believable from my perspective.
Nifty: Comes into thread Day 1, immediately mentions he doesnt like llama's style. (yea i get that ) Off the top of my head Day 1 i felt pretty good about CaptainNifty, and looking at his ISO, I can say im more inclined to believe him to be town over Adam and Gfish. Gfish was suspicious of him Day 1 (i think) but im not seeing any suspicious activity. CaptainNifty, for the most part, has provided a well structured response to quotes as well as provide a straightforward answer about what he thinks about multiple people and situations.
@DrWilgy, so if i had to rank in order of best looking to worst i would say DrWilgy, CaptainNifty, Adam, Gfish.
But there are currently bigger fish to fry in my opinion instead of Gfish.
Was mostly joking.
This is exactly how I feel re Jack. I have this whole paranoia Seemer based theory about him. The day I was almost lynched, I fully expected to falsely flip bad. But I didn't care because I was tired of butting my head into a wall. The more I look back on it the more I think Nutella and Jack are Cerberus based on their attitudes that day, although I thought the opposite at that time. And none of this, "oh but he was instrumental in lynching x" wifom bullshit.sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2017 10:51 pm I never thought dizzy was town, i had them in a null spot, right above the three people i suspected most
It was a position i was not against or for, but wouldve rather gotten someone else.
Later,
Once CaptainNifty and I had this exchange:
It started to make more sense and i felt better about the lynch going through (besides the obvious fact that i was getting nowhere pushing my views)sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:00 pmthat.....makes sense actually.CaptainNifty wrote: ↑Tue Apr 18, 2017 2:07 pmIt's mostly about DOE, and Dyslexicon is a better choice than you or SVS as far as I'm concerned. Also, Dyslexicon comes onto the thread after being relatively quiet for a while, and starts accusing people who have been all but cleared.
alright then.
Jack, i cant claim to be "the best player on HCRealms" like you can (well mostly because i've never played there, but this is just an example), the way you've played this whole game has rubbed me the wrong way. Which i know i mentioned earlier as well. Maybe this is due to me never having really played with you? Who knows. Perhaps i made myself too tunnel-sighted earlier and that really was my main goal was to get the distraction out of my face.