Lawyers, Guns and Money- [TOWN WINS!]

[Dennis]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

[Golden]

holy shit lmao, this is an easy win for us now because doc can confirm 2 townies and cop can confirm 2 players

I reckon the doc self-protected last night. Or if not, the night before.

[Golden]

I’d love if the doc could say ‘I’m good I swear I protects myself’.

Anyway, we’ll see.

[Golden]

Role-claiming and info-dumping are prohibited in this game unless otherwise specified in the roles.

Doc can't roleclaim. But I do want to hear from cop today

Do you mean you think the cop should claim today?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

I think the lesson I am going to learn from this game is fuck contributing

I can just post nothing all game read the thread so nothing randomly exclaim someone town is a wolf lie about it till the thread believes me even though I've done nothing all game and still be town read and hard defended

But when you put in effort and bother to analyze its meaningless.

I appreciate the effort

I'm in a better place after a day off from the game than I was when I made that post

I do think I need to try hard less because I'm prone to feeling much more frustrated when I try hard and feel like I'm not being heard since I rarely do lol

[Golden]

Role-claiming and info-dumping are prohibited in this game unless otherwise specified in the roles.

Doc can't roleclaim. But I do want to hear from cop today

Why today and not tomorrow?

Getting nervous are we?

I will say, as things stand right now, if there’s a deepwolf I think it would be Dennis.

There’s a case for his non-voting for soneji being TMI. And I do think he has a lot of cred off the back of day one.

The only problem with that is that I really want the wilgy wagon to be clean lol.

[Golden]

The tandem of Dennis and falcon coming out swinging for splints’ head feels…off

There was absolutely no reaction against a splints elim yesterday when it was very on the cards for a while. I’m not feeling that as the right answer right now.

Falcon as the right answer I do feel. And I’d be very surprised if the soneji wagon is clean.

[Dennis]

Role-claiming and info-dumping are prohibited in this game unless otherwise specified in the roles.

Doc can't roleclaim. But I do want to hear from cop today

Do you mean you think the cop should claim today?

If I were cop I probably would, before reading this conversation and realizing I should probably hold it.

[Scotty]

I think the lesson I am going to learn from this game is fuck contributing

I can just post nothing all game read the thread so nothing randomly exclaim someone town is a wolf lie about it till the thread believes me even though I've done nothing all game and still be town read and hard defended

But when you put in effort and bother to analyze its meaningless.

*sighs*


One second to be kind.

What do you think of this list?

Falcon
Splints
Neon
Mata
Rox
Scotty
Soneji

I don't deserve a break bc I posted today, I only deserve a break if my post says something you agree with.

falcon - I like his style tbs I do feel good vibes about his posts, I do not always agree with what he says but I am not getting the vibe that his susp are coming from a bad place.

splints - she is townie bc of her haphazard style is in full swing when she is bad she does NOTHING haphazardly. She is all over the map and wanting to save herself screams townie splints. When bad she is more of - you will be sorry at days end/ you have got me so wrong/ you cannot read me/ have we ever played together before vibe.

Neon already posted about them see previous post.

Mata - I feel those who want to give her pass (hell I am one of them). She is just not as in depth as normal - due rl I believe. I feel like I have never read her right as she comes at the game from a completely random angle that I have never fully understood but she is a brilliant player. I am just not sure here. All I can say idk.

Scotty - I said before his game feels diff than the anni g 1 I read along with. Not sure if it is the gym or his hikes I believe we only played together once or twice and it's been awhile since I have played but he just does seem to be as engaged as normal.

Soneji - a fellow low poster and I have read their posts but I am not sure what to make of them. I am not one to led around by other players stating ---- that's their meta/ that's nai/ when they played as a wolf they did this ---- I like to make my own mind up. GTH I would say civ.

Not sure I got anywhere in my head with this post but you asked and I wanted to answer even if it was to someone else.

I like this post,

Not because I agree with most of the conclusions but because she seems like she does. Which is more important on the whole. I really like the acknowledgement of Kate not writing her off as scum just because she posted.

I would say to the splints point: I personally wouldn’t describe Splints’ play this game up to this point as haphazard. It seems more cards close to chest and vague.

And to your point about me: that’s fair. I’m definitely not as in depth in general as I was in Anni. I’m definitely slacking in post count, but then again I hadn’t started a new job taking up my time during anni. It is what it is.

[Golden]

Are you guys thinking this is a great doctor or an inactive mafia?

99% sure it’s a great doctor.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

[Scotty]

Allow me to explain my frustration a bit

Ever since my wolf game I've been getting called a wolf no matter how hard I obv town. Okay I'm a good wolf I'll say it but that doesn't mean blindly ignore the behavior in front of you. The paranoia is frustrating. At least when Mac said what he said in that quote there was a reason for it I eod things that were decidedly anti town. I haven't here and still I'm being pushed.

But than I'm not even being pushed for MY play I'm being pushed because a new player who didn't like the game subbed out and Sean has decided that automatically makes them a wolf. I don't think you should be allowed to read into anyone but my play. I think subs should be judged on their track record. Sean has spent the last page and a half saying Jack behaved like a new wolf. The fixation on Jack is frustrating especially because I think that's all Sean can say because their reasons for pushing me on my play were weak and they don't hold water. So now I'm forced to defend myself against the mental of a person I am not because Sean is trying to read into their mental state and it is a physical impossibility for me to defend myself on that and Sean knows it.

The fixation on Jack is also ridiculous seeing as how I've said multiple times he didn't like it. @Kate , what are you doing? Help me out here.

I don't feel that neon's behavior has been wolfy. Others feel differently so I was going back to jack to try to sure up my feelings on the slot. I figured who better to try to do that than you and me?

Yeah... that's my point. You know as well as I do Jack wasn't a very willing participant. Having you, who is in practically everyone's towncore, attest that Jack's behavior wasn't influenced by his role would help prove Neon's towniness, no?

I was trying to see if you felt that his behavior would have been different WITH the added pressure of a baddie chatroom. Youre essentially reversing my point.

To be clear: I think if Jack had a baddie role, he would have tried harder because of the pressure of teammates in a chat. Therefore, I find it unlikely Jack was bad.

I appreciate that.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't say I'd rather be judged solely on myself in both cases weather you think Jack was town for his behavior as you do or scum as Sean does.

I think you just think I'm town anyways but I'm just saying it so that I don't look like I have an agenda

In my stupid brain I’ve imagined that jack has moved out of the house and you seamlessly integrated into Kate and Dennis’ family, watching movies curled up on the couch together and you and Dennis fighting over the last Oreo (or whatever it is kids fight over these days)

[Golden]

My phone’s about to die- i didn’t read the thread progression but my instinct tells me Soneji was an unfortunate wagon that was steered towards as a diversion from someone else that was conceivably in the POE but only had a few votes. Splints comes to mind, but I don’t know who else might have been there.

There is definitely some potentially useful material in terms of who took who out of the PoE… but would wolves willingly remove their allies from PoE? Especially if they’re deepwolves.

I think how the soneji vote came together is fertile ground for analysis today.

[Golden]

Hey remember when I said don't consolidate on a wagon it's just gonna kill a town we need two competing wagons and than for the 2nd day in a ris we had a run away wagon kill a town.

Yeah i remember when I said that.

I remember when you said we need two competing wagons for info. Did you actually say the bit about ‘it’ll kill town’?

I don’t like statisically likely whataboutism. A wolf can say ‘you’ll kill town’ and then try and get credit for that the next day.

[Scotty]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

Splints (1): Bea

Golden (1): Falcon

Roxy (1): Roxy





D2:

Sabi (7): Sean, Kate, Scotty, Golden, Mata, Lucy, SVS

Lucy (3): Splints, Dennis, Soneji

Golden (1): Sabi

Seanzie (1): Neon

Someji (1): Falcon



Never been wagoned at EoD (8): Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty

People on both Maj wagons (4): Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy

People only on Wilgz (1): Dennis

People only on Sabi (3): Kate, Scotty, Mata

People never on the Maj wagon (4): Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy

I really like this post. What can we do with it? Neon I'm so glad you're here. Don't worry @S~V~S and @Golden I still fangirl you two topsies but neon has entered the chat...

To go further into what I personally think we can get out of this and what I'm looking at personally when I analyze the raw data

I think there's never more than 1 wolf that votes on both maj wagons so at most there's one in Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy

I TR SVS and Lucy so I think at most one in Sean and Golden and would you look at that this last page solidified that for me lol. It's possible it's none though.

I think there's 1 on Wilgz at least but probably exactly one unless Sean is wolf. Which is one in golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy. Which continues that same trend.

Regardless of Sean's alignment I think there's no more than one in Kate Myself and Scotty and probably exactly one in all scenarios.

I think there's a wolf in the 8 who have never has a vote at EoD which is just duh Level analysis but whatever at least one in Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty


At most one in the group who have never made a stand Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy.


I think there's only ever one in Kate, Scotty, Mata

And i think Dennis might be the deep wolf and if Sean flips Red I'm going all in on Dennis.

Is that analysis enough for you Sean?

golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy of these I think the most likely hit is Sean

Kate Myself and Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty

Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Mata followed by Scotty

Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy of these I think the most likely hit is a toss up of Roxy/Falcon but honestly I think none

Kate, Scotty, Mata of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty

So logic should dictate that I choose to hit in Sean/ Scotty/Mata

Going back to this again I do note that Soneji didn't vote day 1 and was on Lucy day 2 so they should be added to Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy, Soneji

In this instance I think the most likely hit is Soneji and that they are far more likely than anyone else in this list so my PoE today is looking

Sean/ Scotty/Mata/Soneji.

I won't vote outside this.

Why was splints not even included in your data collection? Like, she was never in any of your cluster groups. Why is that?

[Golden]

ok lying in bed now and looking back

@Roxy come back and play with me! I miss you

Gosh I have missed playing with you. We need to get our new Pirate game together!!

again no one engages while I'm here . Idk when I'll be back but sometime before elimination's end.

I feel this.
It’s honestly what always happens to me and then I get continually called out for low posting because everyone posts like crazy overnight for me

I would still get called out for low posting. Happens every time I play, every time I say this is the last time I'll play then Kate comes around begging the old gang to back together for a game and I get sucked in. WHOOSH!!!!!!!!!

Never again I mean it this time as I am so sick of people down on the way I play because I don't make a 100 posts a day saying:
XXXX Is a wolf
But this is my meta ask XXXX
When is eod
I'm cute
How old are you
Where in the *uck did you find those beets Dwight?
You dig?

FYI splints is not bad I will NOT vote for her.

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I am a low poster. I have never denied being a low poster. Being a low poster does mean I am not reading and keeping up.
Am am deffo not lhf as I consider myself more like a bunch of happy carrots. So I am more in the mud vegee's. imv for those of you who adore abbreviations.

The last day phase actually made me want to hurl and also made it so I do not want to even post in the thread. I am *trying* to get past all the awkwardness/weirdness/meaness in this supposed game thread. We are all people with feelings this game can get heated ---------why add to it?

Takes one 'fn second to be kind people.

I will now finish re-reading make my post and call this done.

Questions/posts I noticed so far:

Scotty said I seemed aggressive which I find funny as I am imv. What exactly in a post can you point me at to show my "aggression"?

Neon - welcome but you obv haven't read as much as you say you have. I have never been on a wagon nor voted in this game yet. Had you actually read the thread (and not just my posts but the hosts as well) you would have seen I self voted D 1 bc of a robbery at my work. I host voted D 2 bc of the Host punishment of self voting was to lose my vote. But actually if you read any of my posts I clearly state suspicions. Sorry if you don't like my style and want to lynch me for being imv I am used to it. Happens all the time on this site. However I do like you info then analysis of the voting thus far. So thanks for doing the leg work on that.

I don’t know what imv means.

I think….and even looking at this post especially, your *tone* is what comes off as aggressive to me. It might be a difference in mistranslation of text not conveying the correct emotion but “The last day phase actually made me want to hurl and also made it so I do not want to even post in the thread. I am *trying* to get past all the awkwardness/weirdness/meaness in this supposed game thread” is pretty prickly and mildly passive aggressive at best.

I’m not condemning you for being emotional- that’s pretty human, and doesn’t make me think any less of you. If anything, I believe your frustration. Whether or not I think this is a frustrated civ feeling left out as a “bunch of happy carrots” as you call it or a wolf that is being suspected for unfair playstyle prosecution I don’t know.

But I’m not discounting you as civ. Not at all, and not because you’re a low poster

Roxy is commonly perceived as prickly, in my view. Just a meta note, don’t think it’s AI.

[Dennis]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?

[Dennis]

Allow me to explain my frustration a bit

Ever since my wolf game I've been getting called a wolf no matter how hard I obv town. Okay I'm a good wolf I'll say it but that doesn't mean blindly ignore the behavior in front of you. The paranoia is frustrating. At least when Mac said what he said in that quote there was a reason for it I eod things that were decidedly anti town. I haven't here and still I'm being pushed.

But than I'm not even being pushed for MY play I'm being pushed because a new player who didn't like the game subbed out and Sean has decided that automatically makes them a wolf. I don't think you should be allowed to read into anyone but my play. I think subs should be judged on their track record. Sean has spent the last page and a half saying Jack behaved like a new wolf. The fixation on Jack is frustrating especially because I think that's all Sean can say because their reasons for pushing me on my play were weak and they don't hold water. So now I'm forced to defend myself against the mental of a person I am not because Sean is trying to read into their mental state and it is a physical impossibility for me to defend myself on that and Sean knows it.

The fixation on Jack is also ridiculous seeing as how I've said multiple times he didn't like it. @Kate , what are you doing? Help me out here.

I don't feel that neon's behavior has been wolfy. Others feel differently so I was going back to jack to try to sure up my feelings on the slot. I figured who better to try to do that than you and me?

Yeah... that's my point. You know as well as I do Jack wasn't a very willing participant. Having you, who is in practically everyone's towncore, attest that Jack's behavior wasn't influenced by his role would help prove Neon's towniness, no?

I was trying to see if you felt that his behavior would have been different WITH the added pressure of a baddie chatroom. Youre essentially reversing my point.

To be clear: I think if Jack had a baddie role, he would have tried harder because of the pressure of teammates in a chat. Therefore, I find it unlikely Jack was bad.

I appreciate that.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't say I'd rather be judged solely on myself in both cases weather you think Jack was town for his behavior as you do or scum as Sean does.

I think you just think I'm town anyways but I'm just saying it so that I don't look like I have an agenda

In my stupid brain I’ve imagined that jack has moved out of the house and you seamlessly integrated into Kate and Dennis’ family, watching movies curled up on the couch together and you and Dennis fighting over the last Oreo (or whatever it is kids fight over these days)

I wouldn't be opposed. Kate?

[Golden]

What do you think of this list?

Falcon
Splints
Neon
Mata
Rox
Scotty
Soneji

I think that list is everyone who could be wolf unless I’ve been properly pocketed.

Ok so if we give some credence to Rox showing up and posting, we temporarily remove rox and splints. I'm not crazy about voting Neon. And I know Mata has been very sick so I'm not comfortable going there today.

That leaves:

Scotty
Soneji and
Falcon.

What do you think of that list?

I wouldn’t eliminate scotty today, especially with him hiking.

Id happily elim soneji or Falcon. But I’m prioritising not letting Sean get elimmed.

y’all have some weird tendencies with whether or not you’ll vote for someone. Sounds like I should go hiking every day phase (yes, I do appreciate you not voting me for no reason, which is exactly what it would be. It’s still a lolworthy reason not to vote me)

Golden, there are several ways you’ve gone about these chops over the past few days that want me to push you out of the towncore, but I’m having a hard time expressing those specifics. You get so caught up here in making sure Seanzie doesn’t die it feels like you’re willing to just vote wherever the wind takes you.

This is my perception as I’m reading back. This might change as I continue reading

I am willing to vote wherever the wind takes me, to protect people I feel strongly are town. So that’s an accurate read. My vote for soneji was as much pro-Sean as it was anti-soneji.

And no, going hiking every day won’t protect you but I think limming someone who is balance acting townie in their absence is a bad choice. If you’re town cop, eg, you’d have no chance to claim and change the direction.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

Yes, I’m happy here. If it goes back to splints I won’t be unhappy either, though.

ok. I Like the hedge. Not wanting to be leader on it and offering other preference unprompted.

[Dennis]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?

EBWOP: Last sentence: Like wagons who HAD 2 votes. Past tense silly.

[Golden]

I’d love if the doc could say ‘I’m good I swear I protects myself’.

Anyway, we’ll see.

Also since I wasn’t clear here, the doc can obviously not do this nor should they if they could. My point is Lucy’s numbers might not be so sure.

[Golden]

I think the lesson I am going to learn from this game is fuck contributing

I can just post nothing all game read the thread so nothing randomly exclaim someone town is a wolf lie about it till the thread believes me even though I've done nothing all game and still be town read and hard defended

But when you put in effort and bother to analyze its meaningless.

I appreciate the effort

I'm in a better place after a day off from the game than I was when I made that post

I do think I need to try hard less because I'm prone to feeling much more frustrated when I try hard and feel like I'm not being heard since I rarely do lol

Personally I also really like your contributions and I do think you are probably town.

[Scotty]

snippity snip snip

Oh, Falcon is also suggesting counterwagons as cop checks, which sure, that is reasonable as well (he said, trying not to let the thread see him sweat)

Am I doing it? Am I breaking up the towncore correctly?

whoopsie, that last message totally wasn't meant for Scotty in wolf-chat... erhm I mean... what?

@Seanzie you ok?

Clearly not. I just outed that me and Scotty are wolves. You'll never figure out that Neon is our third though!

Uhh.. whoopsies!

seanzie read like a frustrated townie with his skirt all twisted up under his pantyhose. The only posts that where ping worthy were these. Neon has already discussed these but they do feel like ---- what are you doing? why are you hindering? why are you doming Neon? why the thread derail? What is your game and who are you trying to protect?

I also like this post. New viewpoint and one that isn’t out of left field.

Roxy can bump up to townread

[Dennis]

Why am I being questioned for being against the Soneji vote and Golden isn't being questioned for being willing to kill anyone to save Seanzie?

[Scotty]

@fingersplints

tell me about Neon.

Tell you what about them?

boooo obstructive pop in

[Golden]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?

We are still at 10/13, and we’ve effectively had the doc give us an entire additional day phase, which is also extending the potential lifespan of cop/deputy checks. We are not in bad shape.

Now, let me explain why consensus building is good in this game imo. We have three cop/deputy checks and two doctor saves in the mix. Cop/deputy/doctor things could be replicative, marmot could also account for one, but there’s probably three or four confirms out there. Based on where we stand, I think maybe all of those confirms are town.

Consensus building enables confirmed town info to be applied as reads and lead to good decision making in the context of us not knowing who the power roles are or what they specifically know.

[robyn]

i don’t have enough spoons for this game right now, brother broke his hand and grandma fell and hit her forehead on the floor. now my parents are being stupidly biased against me for stupid fucking events that are out of my control and my finals are next week and i’m just super stressed out, i’m super surprised i’m not having a panic attack right now, it’s actually strange that i’m thinking logically

[Scotty]

@fingersplints

tell me about Neon.

Tell you what about them?

Your take on them in this game.

I won’t hold their previous players inactivity against them. I didn’t have a read on that player and I don’t have strong feels on them either way yet. Specifically no reason to town read whereas there are plenty I feel alright about so they might make PoE by default. They seem kind of upset as of late, and I feel sorry for them because I understand that frustration of being misunderstood in the thread

How can you not have a strong opinion either way about neon at this point?

-10 points for fingersplytherin

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

why? I will not allow a low poster I *know* is town to be elimmed. You went from doming Neon all day to this in the blink of an eye.

Ok Roxy. That’s a big statement.

There’s not a single chance you believe splints could be bad here?

[Golden]

Why am I being questioned for being against the Soneji vote and Golden isn't being questioned for being willing to kill anyone to save Seanzie?

I’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.

Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.

Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’

[Scotty]

People don’t know how quiet our threads used to be. It was much easier for low posters like Roxy and mata to keep up and contribute even without masses of time.

I never felt they were quiet bc we always had SVS and you plus LC, Map, LT, Enrique, too many to list. Our games were 20, 30 40 people. Threads were crazy. My Survivor game had 4 threads that were all busy.

Rabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.

@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.

[Golden]

i don’t have enough spoons for this game right now, brother broke his hand and grandma fell and hit her forehead on the floor. now my parents are being stupidly biased against me for stupid fucking events that are out of my control and my finals are next week and i’m just super stressed out, i’m super surprised i’m not having a panic attack right now, it’s actually strange that i’m thinking logically

Go look after yourself Lucy. Don’t waste spoons on us right now.

[Golden]

People don’t know how quiet our threads used to be. It was much easier for low posters like Roxy and mata to keep up and contribute even without masses of time.

I never felt they were quiet bc we always had SVS and you plus LC, Map, LT, Enrique, too many to list. Our games were 20, 30 40 people. Threads were crazy. My Survivor game had 4 threads that were all busy.

Rabbits lost game had 50 people! All kinds of different threads and location based chats. That was a lot of fun and very innovative, like your Survivor game. All those trivia challenges, they were hard.

@Roxy Can I see a link to your survivor game?? I had no idea anyone had done one before I did it like 6 years ago.

I always hoped OptOutside would return one day

[Golden]

Also

@Vivax nice to play with you again, sorry to see Mata go

@RondoDimBuckle nice to meet you again, in a game where I’m actually a player. You easily made the biggest impression on me. Im currently hard reading bea town (not 100%, but above 90%), so in my head you’re towncore right now. Sorry to see bea go too.

[Dennis]

Why am I being questioned for being against the Soneji vote and Golden isn't being questioned for being willing to kill anyone to save Seanzie?

I’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.

Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.

Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’

Oh no this makes a lot of sense and now I'm really worried. I can very much understand this and probably shouldve thought this through but the way I saw it was: Soneji is civ and Soneji isn't posting so I have to protect Soneji. I didn't really think about suspicion or anything like that.

[Scotty]

vote Scotty f it I'll be out here by myself, it is my strongest susp so imma go with it and call it a night. again no one engages.

I appreciate the commitment.
Off wagon voting here is…not a great look. That it’s me doesn’t matter specifically.

[Golden]

Why am I being questioned for being against the Soneji vote and Golden isn't being questioned for being willing to kill anyone to save Seanzie?

I’m gonna give you an answer that assumes you’re town.

Because it’s easy for a wolf to know a wagon is town and feel confident they shouldn’t get on it.

Your answers today relieve my anxiety somewhat but my very first thought when soneji flipped town was ‘oh no, is it Dennis?’

Oh no this makes a lot of sense and now I'm really worried. I can very much understand this and probably shouldve thought this through but the way I saw it was: Soneji is civ and Soneji isn't posting so I have to protect Soneji. I didn't really think about suspicion or anything like that.

Yeah, I think your posts today have been very towny tbh.

Also, if you wanna know why I’m not taking a tonne of suspicion from people who know me well, ask @Kate

[Scotty]

vote Scotty f it I'll be out here by myself, it is my strongest susp so imma go with it and call it a night. again no one engages.

I've got him in my PoE.

Am I still in your yummy pumpkin poe?

[Dennis]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?

We are still at 10/13, and we’ve effectively had the doc give us an entire additional day phase, which is also extending the potential lifespan of cop/deputy checks. We are not in bad shape.

Now, let me explain why consensus building is good in this game imo. We have three cop/deputy checks and two doctor saves in the mix. Cop/deputy/doctor things could be replicative, marmot could also account for one, but there’s probably three or four confirms out there. Based on where we stand, I think maybe all of those confirms are town.

Consensus building enables confirmed town info to be applied as reads and lead to good decision making in the context of us not knowing who the power roles are or what they specifically know.

I'm still stuck on this. Marmot accounts for one what? Are you trying to say that, it's unfortunate that it was on Soneji but it's ultimately a good thing we had a consensus?

[Scotty]

vote Scotty f it I'll be out here by myself, it is my strongest susp so imma go with it and call it a night. again no one engages.

I don’t think this is an unreasonable choice

Thanks Mr. “I Don’t Support Voting for Hikers”

[Scotty]

I want the Soneji wagon to explain because I haven't seen much of anything anti town about their posts and I'm not crazy about sitting back when someone I think is civ is being elimed.

Pretty heavy handed but this viewpoint is correct. It feels crazy.

If Dennis is a wolf he continues to say all the right things that make me go…’nah, can’t be’.

Dennis is dangerous, for the opposite alignment of his own

[Dennis]

I think what I've learned is that I desperately need to take a chill pill. We're in a good spot, we still have time to catch wolves. Yes? Because now I see why my start feels bad too like Neon said.

[Scotty]

I'm 98% sure at least one wolf is on Soneji, I wouldn't be surprised if there was 2.

This preemptively matches the viewpoint he came into today. I don’t know if that is because he knows Soneji is good and this is all TMI or he has a good read on Soneji. He went through the effort of giving a breakdown of *why* he townreads soneji.

I dunno. It just feels earnest.

[Dennis]

Someone please explain TMI I'm begging. I checked that link someone gave me a few days back and it's not on there.

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Allow me to explain my frustration a bit

Ever since my wolf game I've been getting called a wolf no matter how hard I obv town. Okay I'm a good wolf I'll say it but that doesn't mean blindly ignore the behavior in front of you. The paranoia is frustrating. At least when Mac said what he said in that quote there was a reason for it I eod things that were decidedly anti town. I haven't here and still I'm being pushed.

But than I'm not even being pushed for MY play I'm being pushed because a new player who didn't like the game subbed out and Sean has decided that automatically makes them a wolf. I don't think you should be allowed to read into anyone but my play. I think subs should be judged on their track record. Sean has spent the last page and a half saying Jack behaved like a new wolf. The fixation on Jack is frustrating especially because I think that's all Sean can say because their reasons for pushing me on my play were weak and they don't hold water. So now I'm forced to defend myself against the mental of a person I am not because Sean is trying to read into their mental state and it is a physical impossibility for me to defend myself on that and Sean knows it.

The fixation on Jack is also ridiculous seeing as how I've said multiple times he didn't like it. @Kate , what are you doing? Help me out here.

I don't feel that neon's behavior has been wolfy. Others feel differently so I was going back to jack to try to sure up my feelings on the slot. I figured who better to try to do that than you and me?

Yeah... that's my point. You know as well as I do Jack wasn't a very willing participant. Having you, who is in practically everyone's towncore, attest that Jack's behavior wasn't influenced by his role would help prove Neon's towniness, no?

I was trying to see if you felt that his behavior would have been different WITH the added pressure of a baddie chatroom. Youre essentially reversing my point.

To be clear: I think if Jack had a baddie role, he would have tried harder because of the pressure of teammates in a chat. Therefore, I find it unlikely Jack was bad.

I appreciate that.

But I'd be remiss if I didn't say I'd rather be judged solely on myself in both cases weather you think Jack was town for his behavior as you do or scum as Sean does.

I think you just think I'm town anyways but I'm just saying it so that I don't look like I have an agenda

In my stupid brain I’ve imagined that jack has moved out of the house and you seamlessly integrated into Kate and Dennis’ family, watching movies curled up on the couch together and you and Dennis fighting over the last Oreo (or whatever it is kids fight over these days)

Thanks now I can't stop laughing and my coworkers think I'm crazy

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

Hey remember when I said don't consolidate on a wagon it's just gonna kill a town we need two competing wagons and than for the 2nd day in a ris we had a run away wagon kill a town.

Yeah i remember when I said that.

I remember when you said we need two competing wagons for info. Did you actually say the bit about ‘it’ll kill town’?

I don’t like statisically likely whataboutism. A wolf can say ‘you’ll kill town’ and then try and get credit for that the next day.

I am 99.8% sure I said it was gonna kill a town yes

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

D1:

Wilgz (6): marmot, golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy

Seanzie (5): Kate, Wilgz, Neon, Sabi, Scotty

Splints (1): Bea

Golden (1): Falcon

Roxy (1): Roxy





D2:

Sabi (7): Sean, Kate, Scotty, Golden, Mata, Lucy, SVS

Lucy (3): Splints, Dennis, Soneji

Golden (1): Sabi

Seanzie (1): Neon

Someji (1): Falcon



Never been wagoned at EoD (8): Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty

People on both Maj wagons (4): Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy

People only on Wilgz (1): Dennis

People only on Sabi (3): Kate, Scotty, Mata

People never on the Maj wagon (4): Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy

I really like this post. What can we do with it? Neon I'm so glad you're here. Don't worry @S~V~S and @Golden I still fangirl you two topsies but neon has entered the chat...

To go further into what I personally think we can get out of this and what I'm looking at personally when I analyze the raw data

I think there's never more than 1 wolf that votes on both maj wagons so at most there's one in Golden, Sean, SVS, Lucy

I TR SVS and Lucy so I think at most one in Sean and Golden and would you look at that this last page solidified that for me lol. It's possible it's none though.

I think there's 1 on Wilgz at least but probably exactly one unless Sean is wolf. Which is one in golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy. Which continues that same trend.

Regardless of Sean's alignment I think there's no more than one in Kate Myself and Scotty and probably exactly one in all scenarios.

I think there's a wolf in the 8 who have never has a vote at EoD which is just duh Level analysis but whatever at least one in Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty


At most one in the group who have never made a stand Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy.


I think there's only ever one in Kate, Scotty, Mata

And i think Dennis might be the deep wolf and if Sean flips Red I'm going all in on Dennis.

Is that analysis enough for you Sean?

golden, seanzie, Dennis, svs, Lucy of these I think the most likely hit is Sean

Kate Myself and Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty

Bea, Dennis, Falcon, Neon, Kate, Mata, SVS, Scotty of these I think the most likely hit is Mata followed by Scotty

Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy of these I think the most likely hit is a toss up of Roxy/Falcon but honestly I think none

Kate, Scotty, Mata of these I think the most likely hit is Scotty

So logic should dictate that I choose to hit in Sean/ Scotty/Mata

Going back to this again I do note that Soneji didn't vote day 1 and was on Lucy day 2 so they should be added to Neon, Bea, Falcon, Roxy, Soneji

In this instance I think the most likely hit is Soneji and that they are far more likely than anyone else in this list so my PoE today is looking

Sean/ Scotty/Mata/Soneji.

I won't vote outside this.

Why was splints not even included in your data collection? Like, she was never in any of your cluster groups. Why is that?

For the same reason Soneji wasn't until it was pointed out to me.

People who didn't vote on one of the days didn't get moved into groups because I didn't see their name twice.

And i didn't notice.

So i will amend that

[Golden]

Dennis opening today looks bad. And Lucy hit on some things eod that were bothering me about Dennis yesterday that I was mostly ignoring.

What about it? And I still don't understand what Lucy meant with the whole 'influence' thing. I don't think I've changed anybody's minds on anything if that what you mean, so feel free to keep pushing that.

I'm not good at words so let me try my best.

Your opening feels like a wolf trying to cover themself with the over hype doc praise followed by more cover for yourself because you immediately push suspicion onto looking only on the top wagon for scum a wagon you were firmly against.

That cover protects you the deep wolf and your team because the chances we hit correct in a 7 person pool are well 1 in 7 but if we focused off wagon that pool becomes 1 in 5 and it's almost certain all wolfs didn't stack on Soneji.

Oh and your firm anti Soneji position also reeks of TMI but also makes me think the other wagons that were close when Soneji started to take off also were town. I know I'm town and I was one of them.

I can't really argue with this but I'll try my darndest. I don't think my doc praise was necessarily 'overhype' but I think it's a little wild that doc saved someone twice in a row and wanted to express that.

I immediately pushed suspicion cuz this day feels pretty important, like this is our second or last chance to get a wolf, and I want to make the most of it by saying 'hey, these 6 people like almost definitely have a wolf' and others have said that point too. Do we not have more leads on the people in Soneji wagon than out?

I need someone to give me an explanation of TMI because my context clue skills are clearly not cutting it. It means too much information, I know that, but I don't understand the context it's meant to be used in. What do you mean 'close when Soneji started to take off'? Like wagons who has 2 votes?

We are still at 10/13, and we’ve effectively had the doc give us an entire additional day phase, which is also extending the potential lifespan of cop/deputy checks. We are not in bad shape.

Now, let me explain why consensus building is good in this game imo. We have three cop/deputy checks and two doctor saves in the mix. Cop/deputy/doctor things could be replicative, marmot could also account for one, but there’s probably three or four confirms out there. Based on where we stand, I think maybe all of those confirms are town.

Consensus building enables confirmed town info to be applied as reads and lead to good decision making in the context of us not knowing who the power roles are or what they specifically know.

I'm still stuck on this. Marmot accounts for one what? Are you trying to say that, it's unfortunate that it was on Soneji but it's ultimately a good thing we had a consensus?

It’s possible cop/deputy checked marmot night one. I doubt they checked sabi or soneji given overall tenor of how those votes came together.

Yes I’m saying consensus is good, sorry to soneji that he was the wrong target. Once the vote deleter is gone I’ll feel decent about counterwagons, but even then counterwagon by consensus is good in my view. Operating a towncore from here, I think we are in a good position.

[Dennis]

I want the Soneji wagon to explain because I haven't seen much of anything anti town about their posts and I'm not crazy about sitting back when someone I think is civ is being elimed.

Pretty heavy handed but this viewpoint is correct. It feels crazy.

If Dennis is a wolf he continues to say all the right things that make me go…’nah, can’t be’.

Dennis is dangerous, for the opposite alignment of his own

How am I dangerous for wolves then? Also we should replace Wild Dennis with Dangerous Dennis. I love alliteration.