notorious hedgehog 14 player mafia game wow! game thread [game over mafia won]

[robyn]

For now I'm going with [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine, sorry bud, I promise I did a lot of re-reading to come to this conclusion and it's not something I take lightly.

I look forward to getting some Z's and coming back to some replies

can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol

[Porscha]

ohhhhhhhhh a minor breakthrough for myself

syn/seanzie not w/w

You're so brave

[Porscha]

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

[Porscha]

hmm

So true bestie

[Porscha]

I miss neon and rondo

[Porscha]

At this point I'm just making more posts for jaiden to read

[Jaiden Underwood]

oh boring jaiden underwood has made posts but they're not AI

yeah im not very quick to get going on a site im new on with a playerbase which plays different than what I'm used to
also the font is smaller. that changes everything
my crystal ball doesn't like cape90 very much but im considering that being because ive met them before


i do however find it very funny that people call me my full name. i was gonna be called NEO降順VIRTUASOFTフラックス17, which i have no idea what means. im pretty sure i just discovered that names didnt have to be just english characters and numbers. itd be fun to see everyone call me that in its entirety
shockingly the account never got activated. wonder why

smh im literally town this game. the mafia are in syn/pyxxy/falcon/seanzie/lucy... if you aren't mafia of course

I don't have a good POE to be honest

nvm this is town

my ability to play this has been slightly disrupted by me only being like. 75% conscious but i am here

At this point I'm just making more posts for jaiden to read

you are. which is fine
at the pace im going idk when i'll even get here. not doing too good in that regards
i wasn't really expecting to be ill still. it is making things slightly significantly more difficult

[pyxxy]

For now I'm going with [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine, sorry bud, I promise I did a lot of re-reading to come to this conclusion and it's not something I take lightly.

I look forward to getting some Z's and coming back to some replies

can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol

Unfortunately I went the fuck to sleep.

Fortunately it appears that the hammer was not dropped. Also...3 from hammer should be fine?

[Syn]

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

i don't see how this clears me

[pyxxy]

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:

I am pretty interesting.

What exactly is interesting about our posts?

the mouth feel

Uhh... I do not want to know what you've been doing with my posts

As funny as this is, it isn't actually helpful. If you can give me more than "mouth feel", I'd appreciate it.

i'm just vaguely discrediting you, homie

Can we chop this plz? tnx.

To this D2:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

without much explanation for why.

Another cherrypicked quote:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

[Syn]

welcome to my POE, cape

sorry if this is in your iso recently but I want a fresh update when you next check the thread

what's your POE rn? who within it would you be willing to vote for?

i've been voting seanzie. i've just been unvoting when other people stack on to avoid a hammer

rn i guess I'm at seanzie -> pyxxy -> cape -> jaiden -> sheep -> falcon -> lucy -> porscha

but 2-4 are subject to change

[pyxxy]

Also, Porscha. Not saying anyone has to be in 1000% solving mood at all times. But your 4 posts there surprised me. Feels like you're losing wim, maybe just a little. Don't give up the fight!

[pyxxy]

welcome to my POE, cape

sorry if this is in your iso recently but I want a fresh update when you next check the thread

what's your POE rn? who within it would you be willing to vote for?

i've been voting seanzie. i've just been unvoting when other people stack on to avoid a hammer

rn i guess I'm at seanzie -> pyxxy -> cape -> jaiden -> sheep -> falcon -> lucy -> porscha

but 2-4 are subject to change

Okay, thank you. I'm going to be busy today and I want to vote Seanzie at this point, so I'll continue to trust that you'll help us get the most out of today

Pretty reasonable POE. Or maybe I'm just saying that because it's basically the same as mine?

[Syn]

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:


To this D2:


Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

the reason he made the switch is because i made all indications that I would tunnel lucy into the core of the earth and blindly sheep rondo's reads list (since someone or multiple people said I just copied his reads list as my own)

it is good for the wolf win condition to keep a townie like that around

[pyxxy]

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:


To this D2:


Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

the reason he made the switch is because i made all indications that I would tunnel lucy into the core of the earth and blindly sheep rondo's reads list (since someone or multiple people said I just copied his reads list as my own)

it is good for the wolf win condition to keep a townie like that around

But you don't feel like this fact clears you?

[pyxxy]

Wait sorry I mixed up that the "clear" comment was about me quoting the reads list, not about my followup explanation.

[Seanzie]

Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle

tutuu
DrWilgy
Neon
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin

Bereft

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:

the mouth feel

Uhh... I do not want to know what you've been doing with my posts

As funny as this is, it isn't actually helpful. If you can give me more than "mouth feel", I'd appreciate it.

i'm just vaguely discrediting you, homie

Can we chop this plz? tnx.

To this D2:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

without much explanation for why.

Another cherrypicked quote:

What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.

[pyxxy]

That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.

Reasonable and solid explanation. I saw the Neon hammer so no soft stuff too.

What do you make of Porscha's push on you?

[pyxxy]

@Sheep wya

[Cape90]

I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

Nice, glad you're observing the same thing as me.

Are there any players in your POE that you think would purposely leave you alive e.g. because they're not afraid of your town game?

Usually im left alive until end game so a resounding no is the answer to your question.

[Porscha]

For now I'm going with [VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine, sorry bud, I promise I did a lot of re-reading to come to this conclusion and it's not something I take lightly.

I look forward to getting some Z's and coming back to some replies

can u unvote, so he's 3 from hammer lol

Unfortunately I went the fuck to sleep.

Fortunately it appears that the hammer was not dropped. Also...3 from hammer should be fine?

Lucy had to pretend like she cares about someone else getting hammered

[Porscha]

Also, Porscha. Not saying anyone has to be in 1000% solving mood at all times. But your 4 posts there surprised me. Feels like you're losing wim, maybe just a little. Don't give up the fight!

Nobody else was around and I was exhausted from work anyway

[pyxxy]

Also, Porscha. Not saying anyone has to be in 1000% solving mood at all times. But your 4 posts there surprised me. Feels like you're losing wim, maybe just a little. Don't give up the fight!

Nobody else was around and I was exhausted from work anyway

Big hug

Also you're right, the thread is a ghost town rn.

[Sheep]

@Sheep wya

hi

[Sheep]

oh no you've pulled the master method of putting things in quotes that I won't read but then i can't argue with your point or scumread you

cape not being wagoned is kind of interesting ig but i don't think it means much given people being more open to townreading cape and there'd prooobably be some bussing if he was a wolf like non-commitall but still

This is sticking with me, like, I didn't mean to come off as threatening, but you clearly thinking I'm threatening or positioning to push your wagon.

I'll make it clearer. Your lack of any scumreads is scummy, but I think you're town. You play how I do in some respects; you can be fairly hedgey and uncomfortable when the game isn't revealing itself to you.

Give me your weakest takes! Give me anything! Open with 10 million caveats about how you aren't sure, you don't know, you might be wrong. That's totally fine. But you need to commit to the possibility of being wrong, or you're just going to end up DK'd in mylo or kilo.

yeah i'll try

not doing the best rn but we'll see

if you want tinfoils
the obvious one is like
Syn/lucy are w/w

[Sheep]

Syn.....this slot keeps rolling off my brain. I don't know why. But this is a very interesting observation:

lucy can be town

rondo was a wifom kill (I know this because of TMI)

Does Syn mean that he thinks Rondo softed too hard?

syn meant that he thinks wolves killed rondo to lock in people's confirmation bias (and expecting me to thunderdome lucy)

btw pyxxy i you're reading this
this is the sort o question that I think porscha was talking about a while back and that i've noticed a couple times where it (at least to me) seems to have an obvious answer but you ask it anyways.

It's better to measure twice and cut once.

If I assume an obvious answer and I turn out to be wrong, I've 1) wasted a perfectly good opportunity to guarantee that I am understanding someone else correctly and 2) wasted my own time and thinking by being in an incorrect game state mentally.

If I said it's how I play the game, how would that make you feel?

hm
ok
that makes sense
I just tend to assume things and hope they're not wrong

[Sheep]

Lucy been too damn quiet tbh

according to my little lucy meta that's NAI

[Sheep]

like
jaiden's not getting voted today because just subbed in (unless they start openwolving)
falcon's not getting voted today because this isn't the time in-game to hang somebody of that postcount

my wagon best obv

the other 3 I'd say like lucy>syn>seanzie in order of towniness but i don't wolfread any of 'em so that's kinda a problem this might fix unless you guys CFD jaiden underwood and hammer

hello sheep i would like to inform you that this reads list leaves a POE of sheep, cape, and pyxxy

oh no
(tbh idk why you associate "not getting voted today" with me not thinking they're a wolf)

generally speaking it is very cool to chop people you think are wolf

I mean yeah

in thos specific cases it was more of a thread read tbh

but also I feel like there's sometimes a diference between the two in general idk how to describe it

idk how to explain this
and not just because i don't have a lot of wolfreads

but like while votes can go with a wolfread you can still wolread somebody who you're not voting, or vote somebody who you're not wolfreading ig

I mean idk how to explain this to myself so i doubt i'll convey it to ya'll

Better question!

Do you feel like you normally have lots of wolf reads as town? Or is the fact that you keep noting this mean that you find it unusual for yourself?

Related, do you play a lot of low power or mountainous games, or more role madness/lots of PR games?

Uh
it depends but like in this game I just feel like i should have more wolfreads than I do

I generally tend to play low-power games but def not a stranger to role madness games

[Sheep]

I've decided to read cape's ISO because you can't control me and they're the player I'm most afraid we've miscleared

[Sheep]

I've decided to read cape's ISO because you can't control me and they're the player I'm most afraid we've miscleared

I'm very scared because I don't remember cape's meta so idk let's see

[Sheep]

ok uh oh I'm kind of forgetting why I townread cape uh oh

[Sheep]

sorry i'm being distracted by turbo

I think
people are definitely not reading as closely into cape as they should be

not a wolfread

[Syn]

sorry i'm being distracted by turbo

I think
people are definitely not reading as closely into cape as they should be

not a wolfread

what is it, then

[Syn]

EOD is in an hour

any last thots

[Sheep]

sorry i'm being distracted by turbo

I think
people are definitely not reading as closely into cape as they should be

not a wolfread

what is it, then

it's a warning i guess
i'm still on like early page 2 because i got distracted by turbo

[Sheep]

tbh
i just suck at reading cape
but I think he's probably town

[Syn]

sorry i'm being distracted by turbo

I think
people are definitely not reading as closely into cape as they should be

not a wolfread

what is it, then

it's a warning i guess
i'm still on like early page 2 because i got distracted by turbo

a warning for what lol I'm so confused

[Sheep]

sorry i'm being distracted by turbo

I think
people are definitely not reading as closely into cape as they should be

not a wolfread

what is it, then

it's a warning i guess
i'm still on like early page 2 because i got distracted by turbo

a warning for what lol I'm so confused

I thought that people might have been misclearing cape

or at the least their reads were made by faulty logic (=/= cape is a wolf)

[Seanzie]

Well, this is boring.

[Seanzie]

Somebody do a backflip.

[Seanzie]

No?

[Syn]

No?

ok I will

[Syn]

[Seanzie]

Thanks. Who should I vote?

[Syn]

make a big appeal and convince the lurkers to switch to me i guess

[Cape90]

make a big appeal and convince the lurkers to switch to me i guess

TRUE, lurkers like me

[Sheep]

Somebody do a backflip.

i refuse

[Sheep]

oh it's 12 minutes till EoD
hype

[Sheep]

Is DADV even a thing

[Cape90]

Alright I am gonna try solving this, i'm in the zone, listening to unfamiliar albums and ima be in the zone.

Sheep - 2493 seems like an odd comment to make considering that Sheep is now all of the sudden turning on me. Just reads as a lazy read to me, but then Sheep reconsidered so idk what that means either lol. I don't think Sheep is in wolf meta, their ideas are communicated clearer here then the wolf game I linked, and I didn't even mention that mash they just played on MU. Tinfoil says they were just tired of randing wolf making their wolf equity go up here. Not feeling it but thats why it's a tinfoil . I'm not sure I buy the turn around on me just given you said 2465 about me being potentially townier then Porscha not too long ago (but it is put in a hedgy way in which you can retract such a statement easily).

seanzie's my top vote out of these wagons by default

but also i'm staying on pyxxy lol

Odd. Mostly because you are on that unvote button right now. I felt like the comments toward pyxxy's large post potentially making Sheep able to townread them was a weird/lazy/forced post (i cannot find this post that i have in my head, i saw this in real time).
Sheep's push on falcon feels NAI to me.
Sheep's recent posts are just strange and towny in this sort of mix.
Could be pocketing Porscha.
Sheep's back and forths with pyxxy have been just really ??? like I get they were pocketing Porscha and all that, but Sheep had posts like 2142 in pretty much the middle of their pyxxy push vote (**this could have been day 2 though I probs should have checked**)
IDK I still feel like Sheep is town though, that's the thing
but im dropping to townlean for confusing me as of recent.

Porscha - I still feel like Porscha is obviously town so I guess this is a good "sheep". Highlights include

I think one of the best supporting reasons why not to kill Rondo there as mafia was because he was literally hammered a vote on town a day early.

This is even if lucy is wolf

I think that's a good point. But maybe wolves wanted his strong presence gone? He was kind of the backbone to the threadstate lol. I dont recall off the top of my head if pyxxy was in his list of people to vote off to win (I think rondo said pyxxy's eod 1 was clearing? I dont know how tho), but sean was in that list. (And before sean says "YoU wErE iN tHe LiSt ToO", I know)

lack of TMI

PLEASE OPEN THE SPOILER TO SEE MY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST FROM PYXXY IN THIS LIST

I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

Spoiler: show

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for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

joined in on the fun

>objective statement only

Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

>useless question that appears to be useful that has no opinions. Talking to talk. Passing the ball while touching the ball the least

joined in on the fun

why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

>"hey contested person, why did you >gotcha question?<"

wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

>Tonally wolf in tandem with pyxxy's other content

@DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

>"hey guy who thinks I'm wolf, do you plan on going on vacation soon? Do you think Italy sounds like fun?" Might as well have been said. No opinions. Attempting to sound inquisitive and solving by using objective information again

Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

>not showing town
>>aka kinda wolfy, in poe
>>>backhanded way of saying it when that was the point where sean looked the towniest, imo
>>>>I'd call it an awkward hedge on a partner in hindsight

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

>this was always a disgusting post cuz Sean's behavior always pisses off anyone he mindlessly tunnels. Especially town. "You know this person does this annoying thing! How could the annoying thing be annoying you??? Sounds kinda wolfy" LMAO OOKKURR actually so fucking funny

We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

>lol not even gonna grace this one with a response it just looks awful in hindsight. It's a loaded question with no opinion from pyxxy

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD


and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

>Fights to ensure capes acknowledgement of Sean and pyxxy going onto bereft gets looked away from and let it rest on "whew yeah maybe neon is wolfing" which kinda just tmi'd wilgy town with the flips we have

Town (i know slightly scuffed and rushed).

pyxxy - Was looking at GOC day 1, I thought pyxxy's day 1 was a lot stronger there then it was here. 2560 I think has reasonable solving on Syn/Seanzie. I could see the logic. I think I would probably think the evidence there is stronger then pyxxy is giving off here tbh.

In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

skimmed sheep's iso and your iso from that game

It seems like sheep had to step up way out of their scum comfort zone in that game because of a newbie teammate outing on D1? Did I skim that correctly?

If so, does that change how you view sheep in this game at all?

I just compared the middle/end of that game to this game, even with the "stepping out of their scum comfort zone" in mind. They do have some odd jumps in logic like they have here, I still don't see too much the similarities beyond that, I still think Sheep was harder to read that game compared to here. So the answer is no. You have experience with scum sheep you would like to share?

Some of pyxxy is concerning to me, I didn't find thier long post particularly towny besides the work some of that took i guess. Tinfoil: they made this comment in part 1 of their long post, it goes as follows

So really just tutuu and Cape. I haven't really fleshed out this though, but if I had to suspect 1 of them, it would be Cape. I'll elaborate on this later.

This seems to be said with an already established mindset in mind when this isn't even in the middle of the post, it's one of the first points pyxxy makes. So in other words
1. they are establishing they are looking through a confbiased lens.
2. could point to there being an agenda.

Had some insight into the lucy thing

Because my read on lucy feels very WIFOM.

D1 scum lucy would have been some version of caught for the wrong reasons, which I could imagine being a factor in her decision to AtE as a defense. lucy has kept up the massive posting numbers and continues to lead the thread by a wide margin. I trust Neon to find town lucy amidst the AtE, but then Neon seems to stuck in the exact same mental spot as me:

I somewhat find the note on Neon to be a bit scummy. but eh okay.

I suppose the post has a decent amount of insight of where they were at.

I liked the note on lucy's 2212

Neon _does_ make no sense as the maf kill. Flips a D1 wagon that people didn't clear or town core D2. Does scum lucy just hand town this information after town managed to fucking _hammer_ Wilgy? I say no. The tinfoil stops here for me on lucy. Galaxy brain logic is never real. Town core lucy and if she's scum, well played. Or not. Idk. Town lucy.

I don't really get townpings from the rest of the post and the conclusions that are drawn from catching up, which feel relatively safe to me.

I don't like 2414 too much as this is right before their large post where they just say the same thing about Seanzie, that they need to revisit Seanzie.

There are points where it's like... maybe this is town? I kinda scumlean them though

Jaiden Underwood - Not sure what to think. I don't remember if I played with scum!Jaiden or town!Jaiden, I believe I thought they were town but thats where my memory fades on them. Not sure what to think of their turn around on me because I don't know how I posted towny content there lol.

lucy - lucy has been kinda fine today, dipped out of WIM city as soon as Rondo died. Obvious mafia

townlean

Seanzie - Feels like they are in their own world. Possible they could be scummy just based on them just casually moving on after DrWigly died. I think I could potentially see it despite liking some of their posts on glancing at them, not so much going any deeper really. Like the post about not wanting to move vote despite thinking tutuu and i think it was syn that was mediocre. something like that im running out of time.

scumlean

Syn - Im'a be frank, idk if i like their turn around on me just like that so idk i guess im fine with seeing this die. THOUGH, I sort of townread their posts moreso then other lurky lurkers?? Not like they are lurking at this point but it does at least today feel like they are weighing options i guess.

Null foir now as i rush this out

falcon45ca - Is really wolfy and I don't get why there is pushback against this slot. Only thing I can see is falcon turning around on their SR of me day 1. Otherwise, they seem a bit impossible for me to read as anything but a person who dont be doing stuff

scum