The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:32 am Civilian JJJ wouldn't care what the tally was right now.

You are bad.

What? Caring about the tally is fundamental to any JJJ, or frankly any anyone.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

what are these tangible reasons

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:35 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:27 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:24 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 am Yeah, the Dom lynch will give zero info. I'll go Mesk.

*vote Mesk*

So much for inspiration.

Dom, as a choice, was never that inspiring.

I'm voting Dom?

No. I'm voting 3J. You're voting Mesk.

Why can't we communicate?

Because you insist on saying stupid shit about me. That isn't conducive to communication. It's conducive to me thinking you just want to try to get one over on me.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:42 am What are you guys doing. The poll just changed like 16 times it was a potential 4 way tie at one point

Near the end Jay had 5 votes but now Mesk is in the lead again, I think?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:41 am I don't like the vote I just cast. Jay is bad.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:44 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:41 am I don't like the vote I just cast. Jay is bad.

I don't like the vote you just cast. I want to say nasty things about you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:51 am I'm going to goddamn sleep.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:44 pm Oh my word, in this back and forth with Kyle I am feeling like Jack's tone is very sincere... this is why this extended Day 1 situation is bad for me, the more stuff thrown at me the more indecisive I feel... I'll re-evaluate when I get home later tonight. I may change my vote.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 9:01 pm Dunya setting up the mislynch.

Like it's not common knowledge I'm working extreme hours yet have more posts than anyone this game. Like I'm done at 5 pm.

The intention is to say "Smh. I have Jack a chance but I guess he was a bad townie."

Why would she say these things if she was town and thought I was bad? You don't encourage scum to redirect lynches.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.

You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?

You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:38 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:22 pmYou're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

Well.... The thing is, I don't really know what I'm like yet.

I'm still in the process of rebuilding and understanding my own meta.

I could tell you how I used to play before I left RM two years ago, I could tell you about how I'd focus so much on mafia that I'd get really burnt out on it and disappear for days at a time and miss votes and sometimes forget to send in night actions. I could tell you how I played before the exodus that happened before that one when I had seemingly boundless energy and consistently made 2x as many posts as anyone else in many of the threads.

None of those are me anymore. Playing the way I used to made me tired and anxious all the time, so I'm making a conscious effort this time around to adjust my meta to be less toxic.

I feel you man. Been through a similar thing lately.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:45 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 12:23 am As much as I despise having no flips, I'm also going to be a hypocrite real quick.

Dom is indeed a no-info lynch. He doesn't provide much help to figuring out the strong anti-alignments we have going on in the thread. Yet, I don't feel like we're starving for info, and I think the mafia kill (if it ever goes through) will be informative.

Dom is the way to go, guys. Let's make this game all about info and less about absent speculation.

linki: welcome aboard Kyle

I'm so glad you and Kyle are voicing mild objection to the Dom lynch. I always want to point out "but we learn nothing from an inactive lynch" but fear I'll look bad if they flip bad. If a scummer fools me into thinking they are good, I can explain that. If I mislynch a fellow townie, I can explain that. If I "defend" a baddie but they never said anything? There's no excuse. But I feel the need to weigh in on game theory and strategy, feel the need to say a Dom flip teach us nothing even as I vote Dom and home Dom gets lynched. Maddening.

Additionally, I'm glad for a really productive several days with lots of antialignments. This is a strong example I can point Realmsers to of all that can be done on "Day 1." The more reads and antialignments turn out to be correct, the better.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:21 am I'm still reading page 63 but I'm an impatient kid right now so imma leave this thought.

Usually whenever I play a game that has both Jay and Sloonei in it, I feel like Sloonei is Jay #2.

Like, their playstyles are very similar, but Jay is the protagonist. Sloonei is the sidekick. Jay leads the town. Sloonei helps. They are a fearsome civ duo that way, actually. The Jay 1 and the Jay 2. You don't want to cross their path if you're bad.

In this game, Sloonei is Jay #1.

He leads the town. He leads the conversation. He is the is the guiding light that will take us to victory, or to our doom. But he is the one steering the wheel.

Whatever Jay is, he is not Jay #1. Or even Jay #2. He is something else and I don't know what that is.

At this point I'd expect to be drowing in a sea of Jay. To have so much Jay around me I could barely breathe. But I can breathe just fine. Jay is talking, but he is not seizing control. He is engaging, but not in a way that makes me feel like he is trying to produce perfect reads on everyone on day 1, to make everyone interact with each other, to move the game forward.

He is not in his element. Something is wrong with him. So I'm itching to call him bad. Although, it is possible he might be busy or distracted or just having a bad civ game. It happens. But he is not the civ Jay I know, I'm sure of that.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:23 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:13 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:10 am I find Epi's case on Jimmy to be intriguing. I don't think I'll follow it today but Epi and Eloh come out looking better than JJJ in all their recent interactions.

Please elaborate.

I think you're basically describing town Eloh behavior and calling it a case for her badness. Epi calls you out.

Epi is also taking note of the Jack/Dunya square off in a way that doesn't look opportunistic. Feels way different from ME Epi, which is the last bad Epi I can remember. So that makes him look better.

Epi also characterizes your posts as easy analysis or analysis that leads nowhere. I could see the gth excercise that way as well.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:30 am This post is so poetic. I love it.

I'm not sure how I feel about Jay this game. He is difficult for me to read. But I would agree that he is quieter than usual even though he is participating.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:49 am Hey sorry I haven't been around for most of the discussion. Been periodically catching up while doing other stuff. I'm cool with the Dom lynch but since there's already a comfortable lead there I'm tempted to put a symbolic vote somewhere, probably Jay at this point tbh.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:18 am I feel like Mesk is at least as likely to be mafia as Dom, but also more informative as there's been people defending and accusing her.

*Mesk*