The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:36 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

Why if you hated voting for her and seemed to see some towniness in Mesk, did you vote for her? I mean, I get the general feel of why but why her over Dom in your case? Please and thank you.

my vote for mesk was purely a means to prevent vote shenanigans. I don't like ties and I didn't want any unforeseen last second changes to the lynch result. All the votes were piling on Mesk so I padded her lead. It was not a lynch that I wanted, but at this stage in the game I wanted a clean lynch more than anything. It probably wasn't the best strategic move.

I'm still behind on the thread and not getting caught up at the moment. I'll have a lot of free time later this evening and hopefully then I can start making confident reads.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:55 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm For the record, far too early for me (got to page 11) to get any sort of good reads yet, BUT when you talk about lynching a player spot immediately after they've been replaced? That seems fairly scummy to me. Especially with the meta-logic of "well, they were replaced so they must be mafia" which is, frankly, crap logic.

I'd also like to point out I replaced in before you, and I'm town. There were three other inactives, Mesk, you, and insertnamehere (who became inactive after replacing another inactive). Is it likely all 4 inactives were town and not even 1 was mafia? Possible, but I wouldn't call it likely.

I'm town, Mesk flipped town, so the logic that you COULD be scum isn't fool proof, but it isn't coming straight out of my ass either, I reckon. Read on, show us what you got. I've been in your shoes and it wasn't a fun process--especially when the person I replaced was a lynch-candidate the day before I replaced.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:35 am

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:22 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:19 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Nov 29, 2017 10:13 pm I have a grievance with the amount of times Kyle has used his Pirate Mafia performance as a way to fend off suspicion. He played games somewhere else that he's also talked about but I didn't quote them. No, I don't care that most of these are direct accusations about his Pirates performance. I think he's using meta as a shield.

You should care that those were in direct response to meta accusations. Why wouldn't you care about that?

You're rejecting perceptions before easing concerns. You're saying "I wasn't an active force in Pirates" when you should be saying "I'm actually not someone who takes the front line" if what they're saying is false about your playstyle.

You are reaching so hard I think you'll accidentally touch the sun and get burned. Be careful.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:51 pm I have no reason to suspect you other than basic statistics and probability at this point in time. Also that fucking SF game

I won't be scrambling to lynch you any time soon. Please, get comfortable and show us your pearly white peak.

Spoiler: show

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:34 am

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:06 am Like in here, Quin started pushing the Mesk lynch before everyone. He pushed and he pushed until people took the bait. If one of Jay or New Dom is bad, Quin looks terrible. On the other hand, it is a risky play for a baddie. He more or less took the lead on it.

Or did he? He was the fourth one to vote in the poll (can we trust the pool order, btw? This site changes too much). That means he kept suggesting it until some people voted for her, then jumped on the wagon himself.

Still catching up, but if the bolded is true, that feels very scummy.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am I wasn't planning on thoroughly looking at J³ until tomorrow, is there a significant chance that he's mafia

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:56 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:55 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm For the record, far too early for me (got to page 11) to get any sort of good reads yet, BUT when you talk about lynching a player spot immediately after they've been replaced? That seems fairly scummy to me. Especially with the meta-logic of "well, they were replaced so they must be mafia" which is, frankly, crap logic.

I'd also like to point out I replaced in before you, and I'm town. There were three other inactives, Mesk, you, and insertnamehere (who became inactive after replacing another inactive). Is it likely all 4 inactives were town and not even 1 was mafia? Possible, but I wouldn't call it likely.

I'm town, Mesk flipped town, so the logic that you COULD be scum isn't fool proof, but it isn't coming straight out of my ass either, I reckon. Read on, show us what you got. I've been in your shoes and it wasn't a fun process--especially when the person I replaced was a lynch-candidate the day before I replaced.

So if malakim is town, you're probably scum right?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:05 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 am I wasn't planning on thoroughly looking at J³ until tomorrow, is there a significant chance that he's mafia

would you have voted for him if someone had said yes?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:56 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:55 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm For the record, far too early for me (got to page 11) to get any sort of good reads yet, BUT when you talk about lynching a player spot immediately after they've been replaced? That seems fairly scummy to me. Especially with the meta-logic of "well, they were replaced so they must be mafia" which is, frankly, crap logic.

I'd also like to point out I replaced in before you, and I'm town. There were three other inactives, Mesk, you, and insertnamehere (who became inactive after replacing another inactive). Is it likely all 4 inactives were town and not even 1 was mafia? Possible, but I wouldn't call it likely.

I'm town, Mesk flipped town, so the logic that you COULD be scum isn't fool proof, but it isn't coming straight out of my ass either, I reckon. Read on, show us what you got. I've been in your shoes and it wasn't a fun process--especially when the person I replaced was a lynch-candidate the day before I replaced.

So if malakim is town, you're probably scum right?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:18 pm why do some people spell it lasagna and some people lasagne?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm Dragon D. Luffy , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
speedchuck , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:16 pm Dragon D. Luffy , please show posts where I take the lead on the Lasagne lynch.
speedchuck , please show posts where I was hands-off the Lasagne lynch.

There aren't any. Once the train started, you weren't here. You never really argued strongly for the lynch in the first place. When JJJ (I think it was) voted for Mesk and you mistook it for just her name, you were curious. When you found out it was a vote, you were like "never mind"
I'd think JJJ's opinion matters even more if it was a vote, right?

So yeah. Lack of posts. Nothing super strongly condemning there, looking back. Do you think you're a fall guy for the lynch? If so, who is pushing that on you hardest?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:18 pm why do some people spell it lasagna and some people lasagne?

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:50 am A moment of silence.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 4:43 pm If you lynch somebody, it damn well better be because you think that person is bad, not because you need the more "informative" lynch. If you aren't lynching people you think are bad, I'm sure there's a simple explanation for that.

I love this post.

You had a vote on Dom for a bit. Did you think he was bad while you did have a vote on Dom?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:06 pm I mean, my read on Epi was town before. I just hate inconsistencies and anything hypocritical that stands out I feel should be questioned.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:08 pm
"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little mountains."

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:49 pm Dom was a top suspect of mine until it became apparent that one individual could submit actions for an entire team.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 6:49 pm Dom was a top suspect of mine until it became apparent that one individual could submit actions for an entire team.

you mean "any" individual can submit actions for an entire team, right?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 7:05 pm hobgoblin, explain

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:24 pm Jack, your opinion of speedchuck would be one of the most relevant now. You were scumbuddies in Pirates. How is his general presence in this game pinging you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:36 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:40 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:39 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:37 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:31 am To what degree do you believe in your case?
why is mesk a better lynch than elohcin and dom?

I believe in my Elohcin case enough to want to lynch her.

Mesk is not a better lynch than Elohcin. Mesk is a better lynch than Dom because the low-poster motivation suits both of them, while only the former's content features tangible reasons for suspicion.

Bullshit. The latter has no content to compare.

That's the point. -1 is less than 0.

can you see no town conviction behind mesk's posts?

Why if you hated voting for her and seemed to see some towniness in Mesk, did you vote for her? I mean, I get the general feel of why but why her over Dom in your case? Please and thank you.

my vote for mesk was purely a means to prevent vote shenanigans. I don't like ties and I didn't want any unforeseen last second changes to the lynch result. All the votes were piling on Mesk so I padded her lead. It was not a lynch that I wanted, but at this stage in the game I wanted a clean lynch more than anything. It probably wasn't the best strategic move.

I'm still behind on the thread and not getting caught up at the moment. I'll have a lot of free time later this evening and hopefully then I can start making confident reads.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:51 pm

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:42 pm For the record, far too early for me (got to page 11) to get any sort of good reads yet, BUT when you talk about lynching a player spot immediately after they've been replaced? That seems fairly scummy to me. Especially with the meta-logic of "well, they were replaced so they must be mafia" which is, frankly, crap logic.

Nutella, aside from the fact that Dom was completely inert, why am I bad?
Dunya, likewise.

If I'm locked into dying via lynch in the next couple days (which definitely helps the mafia narrow down who they don't have to bother NKing)... I'd like to know why at least. Consider it a professional courtesy.

(Normally I'd just defend myself, but I'm curious what their reasoning is in lynching someone who is going to actually be active in the game going forward?)

I have no reason to suspect you other than basic statistics and probability at this point in time. Also that fucking SF game

I won't be scrambling to lynch you any time soon. Please, get comfortable and show us your pearly white peak.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

You need more...(heh, watch this)...immersion (get it? get it?) in Transcendentalist literature.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 5:24 pm Jack, your opinion of speedchuck would be one of the most relevant now. You were scumbuddies in Pirates. How is his general presence in this game pinging you?

I gut read him bad and then waver when he coasts or says nice things about me.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

You need more...(heh, watch this)...immersion (get it? get it?) in Transcendentalist literature.

Oh! So it was a joke/reference to Ralph Waldo Emerson? Not necessarily a comment on your beliefs about logical inconsistencies in relationships to mafios.

(It was a good joke, it made me laugh AND it made me learn.)

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

You need more...(heh, watch this)...immersion (get it? get it?) in Transcendentalist literature.

Oh! So it was a joke/reference to Ralph Waldo Emerson? Not necessarily a comment on your beliefs about logical inconsistencies in relationships to mafios.

(It was a good joke, it made me laugh AND it made me learn.)

Glad to hear it.

I do agree with Emerson, however, as his comment applies to our present situation.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:12 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:11 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 9:26 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 8:34 pm what is the hobgoblin?

You need more...(heh, watch this)...immersion (get it? get it?) in Transcendentalist literature.

Oh! So it was a joke/reference to Ralph Waldo Emerson? Not necessarily a comment on your beliefs about logical inconsistencies in relationships to mafios.

(It was a good joke, it made me laugh AND it made me learn.)

Glad to hear it.

I do agree with Emerson, however, as his comment applies to our present situation.

Can you explain how? (for those of us who barely skimmed the essays description on wikipedia)

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm
but also, don't ever tell me what to do.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Spacedaisy, Nutella
Jay, epignosis

but also, don't ever tell me what to do.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

You do it too.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Spacedaisy, Nutella
Jay, epignosis

but also, don't ever tell me what to do.

You've been talking with Epi for a while and I've been loosely following along. what is the crux of your suspicion of him?

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:43 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:34 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:22 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:12 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:09 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 2:04 pm I wish you'd have lynched me, even! I wouldn't have even been mad. That would have been more useful than a Mesk flip.

eeeeggghhhhhwwwwwgh

If you're defending this, I hate you too.

Oh you voted for Dom.

Please tell me, how you thought a Dom flip would assist us in scumhunting more than any other player.

If you're telling me after 2600 posts itt you didn't have any better leads than Dom, then you're scum.

Screw you mate. I already put my thoughts down on the infolynch stuff earlier. Look for it. I'm not going to be helpful while you're being all self-righteous and crap. Reminds me of stuff I would do as mafia, too. Coming in after a lynch and being all strong-willed, condemning, and self-righteous. you aren't doing yourself any favors with this post train of snit.

As for the "eeeeggghhhhhwwwwwgh" post, I was reacting to your "I wish I had died instead." Bull crap for a few reasons.
1. You, if town, are more useful than mesk right now.
2. You, if town, know your alignment is town and that there was a chance mesk was scum.
3. I've seen townies prop the perspective that "townies don't need much self-preservation." That's stupid. I will call it stupid in every game I see it, and I will be wary of any posts that say, esp. after the fact, "Man, you should have just killed me instead. Because I'm totally town and don't care if I die. riiight? It would have been better because info." Heck, mesk could have said the same thing if we switched to you. "Oh, you shoud have lynched me. I'm town so I don't care if I live, and I wouldn't have been as big a loss. Because I'm totes town. Riiiggghhhttt???"

So yeah, this post is crap and managed to, along with all the posturing you're doing right now, squash my townread on you.
You wanna act all self-righteous and condemning? Here, have some conflict.
(And for the record, if I was here at EOD, I wouldn't have been on Mesk. Probably J3.)

You look very town in this post.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:45 pmTown: Epignosis, spacedaisy
scum: Jay, you

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Spacedaisy, Nutella
Jay, epignosis

but also, don't ever tell me what to do.

You've been talking with Epi for a while and I've been loosely following along. what is the crux of your suspicion of him?

I mostly named him cus he was fresh in my mind and your wording implied you wanted answers quickly. Our discussion has nothing to do with him being a suspect, I'm actually just interested in the philosophy, and I don't even think of him as a big suspect.

He's been neutral but leaning slightly towards mafia since he came after me for voting Mesk when he also was going to vote for Dom. I understand his Ralph Waldo Emerson anecdote but I don't think Ralphie was talking about opinions you state within the space of 24 hours.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:53 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:43 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:41 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:33 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 10:28 pm huh interesting.

gimme two town reads and two scum reads. please and thanks

Spacedaisy, Nutella
Jay, epignosis

but also, don't ever tell me what to do.

You've been talking with Epi for a while and I've been loosely following along. what is the crux of your suspicion of him?

I mostly named him cus he was fresh in my mind and your wording implied you wanted answers quickly. Our discussion has nothing to do with him being a suspect, I'm actually just interested in the philosophy, and I don't even think of him as a big suspect.

He's been neutral but leaning slightly towards mafia since he came after me for voting Mesk when he also was going to vote for Dom. I understand his Ralph Waldo Emerson anecdote but I don't think Ralphie was talking about opinions you state within the space of 24 hours.