Anniversary Game 1 - Classic Syndicate [Day 9]

[DrWilgy]

Michelle/Vivax/DF/Wilgy have to be the final four potential mafia members

I've literally buried two wolves. Idk how you still have me in PoE.

Also, “buried” is hardly the word I’d use. On the surface, your voting record looks pretty damn nice. I’ve already dug into why Quin being bad makes you look bad, but again…Michelle is the wildcard here.


That was a strange wagon dynamic all day yesterday. Quin spent a lot of time as main wagon, and waited very late to ‘save’ himself. That’s just an odd positioning

Your entire argument why Quin being bad makes me look bad was shit anyhow and idk how you believe it.

I don’t expect you to like it.

You’re the one implicated, silly lickitung

Like it is one thing, believe you believe it is another.

Do I think T Scotty argues that an early day vote, where there's quite abit of evidence that I'd move elsewhere, implies alignment?

Maybe Scotty could tinfoil it, but outside of that no not really. You not saying it's tinfoil is the real concerning part.

And yes, I would say buried.

I was the determining vote on both wolves. No shot I do that even if the goal is to deep wolf.

[Scotty]

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

You tried swinging momentum away from quin quite abit at EoD.

:Shrug:

My sus on you is mostly that. Tinfoil reaction to EoD that's Michelle deterministic.

If that’s what you took from the day yesterday, you might need to drink more water

I was much more of a proponent of Quin’s death than you were

[DrWilgy]

The question is has Wilgy dropped his fun gimmick since his team mates are dead and he’s trying to salvage the game or is he just bored of doing it.

I can’t recall in the past when he usually gets more serious or how ties to alignment it is

Sig you know better than to argue a meta solve on me. I can do this all day, whenever I want, however I want and you know it's NAI.

Also why would I drop the gimmick upon killing two of my own teammates?

[DrWilgy]

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

On top of that, I mentioned my tinfoil theory that my teammates could’ve killed me just to be rezz’d but like..,I was mostly kidding. That’s a terrible gamble, and didn’t happen.

If you don’t think I’m civ at this point, you haven’t been paying attention.

You tried swinging momentum away from quin quite abit at EoD.

:Shrug:

My sus on you is mostly that. Tinfoil reaction to EoD that's Michelle deterministic.

If that’s what you took from the day yesterday, you might need to drink more water

I was much more of a proponent of Quin’s death than you were

If you say so, but EoD was sketchy as fuck as you were waffling hard.

I'll give you benefit of the doubt and ISO later though. I agree with Golden that we should resolve the more crimson PoE first.

[Golden]

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

@Golden this one and yea I see you say get to MLOY to do jt but even then I’d rather yolo onto sloonie or you tbh

Sig…

I cannot interpret this post.

The large portion is what I’m referring to.

Ignoring the rest of the post?

Like, ok… I don’t even see scotty makes it to lylo. My point is it so not todays problem.

[DrWilgy]

Does Scotty who saw my performance in Hot Fuzz fear me so much that he thinks I could determine a flip on two temmies as W? Hmmmmmmmmm...

[Scotty]

I’m more just amused that after Sloonei haphazardly voted Vivax and said votes aren’t changeable that Wilgy has just voted Michelle

Your mind is made up on that front then, eh?

[Scotty]

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

We should not be wagoning scotty. If we get to lylo and he’s still alive, it could be worth a thorough investigation. Short of that, no.

The most likely explanations for scotty not dying are still civ reasons.

@Golden this one and yea I see you say get to MLOY to do jt but even then I’d rather yolo onto sloonie or you tbh

Sig…

I cannot interpret this post.

The large portion is what I’m referring to.

Ignoring the rest of the post?

Like, ok… I don’t even see scotty makes it to lylo. My point is it so not todays problem.

I might have a lot of hubris but if mafia leaves me in it’s going to be a lylo.

Yes, I feel cocky, and feel more confident the longer I am in a game

[Scotty]

Does Scotty who saw my performance in Hot Fuzz fear me so much that he thinks I could determine a flip on two temmies as W? Hmmmmmmmmm...

I saw you deepwolf in that game, and left with you as one of my top townreads. So…I know what you’re capable of. But I will go back and review for similarities, thanks for reminding me

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

Also why Vivax

@Michelle what’s you’re thoughts right now

days-old inkling that G-man could be his teammate paired with people like you now voicing support of his candidacy for the gallows.

[Vivax]

Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

WHOOPS.

Vivax is not a good vote.

Bad sloonei.

Why?

[Sloonei]

Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

[Golden]

Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

You only provided the second act of the three act play.

I also decided that I was right all along, just wrong about a subsequent assumption.

[Vivax]

Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

Can‘t be an act if he experienced a world shattering revelation ?
No matter the specifics.

[Golden]

Sig’s reaction every time I put him in the PoE is really beginning to buzz me.

[Golden]

Wilgy seems fine today. No need to vote quickly.

Scotty not dying is weird, but a rezzed player being mafia is very much tinfoil territory.

Sloonei voting me is unsurprising, I guess. Seems too provocative, maybe ?

I had paired vibes from Golden/Sloonei and Michelle/DF so far this game, but the former more from lack of interactions while the latter seemed to be distancing while we were lynching a town.

So Golden pretended to have a role in mind for me only to experience a world-shattering revelation upon realizing I could not be in possession of whatever mystery role he had squared away for me? That was all an act?

Can‘t be an act if he experienced a world shattering revelation ?
No matter the specifics.

It could be an act but I don’t think it’s you’d find Sloonei and I haven’t interacted much if you were to do isos of us.

Having said that, a Sloonei/golden pair where we handled Quin the way we did, while wrong, is not something that I think is an unreasonable suspicion. I can see why you’d at least tinfoil it (especially when Sloonei keeps coming for you).

[Golden]

Why am I not dead.

Pretty sure you are a wolf if Michelle is town.

I think wagons between you and Michelle is acceptable. Vivax is a good alt.

What happened to the licking and tasting shtick you used to have?

I'm over it. Old school Wilgy is dead. I'll just solve like modern wilgs from here out.

Golden had the read on the gimmick though.

Before this game, I had never had a game where I went ‘oh yeah, I vibe with what wilgy is doing this game’.

This game i 100% was. There’s a first time for everything.

[sig]

Sig’s reaction every time I put him in the PoE is really beginning to buzz me.

No u

[Golden]

@Scotty whats your read on sig

@sig whats your read on Michelle?

Question for all… what can we do to resolve DFs spot in the PoE.

[sig]

The question is has Wilgy dropped his fun gimmick since his team mates are dead and he’s trying to salvage the game or is he just bored of doing it.

I can’t recall in the past when he usually gets more serious or how ties to alignment it is

Sig you know better than to argue a meta solve on me. I can do this all day, whenever I want, however I want and you know it's NAI.

Also why would I drop the gimmick upon killing two of my own teammates?

Yea true and you’re not my top choice anyway given you tied it.

Just haven’t 100% cleared you yet

Linki: I’d throw her down as a mafia lean really her and Quin have been two of my mafia reads/leans for awhile I just had more meat for the Quin one while Michelle has mainly just been disliking posts on a gut level.

I plan to hold my vote but likely I’ll be picking between her and Vivax today after some ISOing

[sig]

@Scotty whats your read on sig

@sig whats your read on Michelle?

Question for all… what can we do to resolve DFs spot in the PoE.

Also we literally can’t do anything about DF besides voting him off which with 2 mafia members is a wasted day right now imo.

Better to go after the most likely to be active mafia ones first and If all else fails discuss him as an option

[sig]

And I do still stand by my insane theory. I think a mafia DF would’ve made sure to place a vote and definitely would’ve made a vote last phase (even if it was a w/w wagon)

[DrWilgy]

I’m more just amused that after Sloonei haphazardly voted Vivax and said votes aren’t changeable that Wilgy has just voted Michelle

Your mind is made up on that front then, eh?

I think you missed the entire sequence of me realizing I should've read Sloon first.

[DrWilgy]

I do think there's a world where solving DF helps us get to sigs alignment.

PoE as it stands for me is Michelle, Vivax, Eloh, DF

I think Scotty is deterministic with Michelle
Sig is deterministic with DF

If I'm just wrong on someone it's Sloonei.

[Vivax]

Do you believe there's a finite or infinite way to look at things differently ?

[Sloonei]

When this game started I had boatloads of free time. My job had slowed down to a point where I felt like I was unemployed. So I started applying to all new jobs while waiting for work to come my way.

Work has since picked back up, and it turns out the lull was just because the company was transitioning to a new online platform. Meanwhile, I was also hired to work part time at a restaurant near home. So I’ve gone from 0 jobs to 2 jobs in the last week. All of this is to say it feels a bit ambitious of me to continue to promise that I will complete my G-man (and now Quin) ISOs in a reasonable timeframe. I’ll try to make myself useful, but I’ll be severely limited for this entire week.

[Scotty]

[VOTE: vivax] aubergine and whoops votes aren’t changeable.

WHOOPS.

Vivax is not a good vote.

Bad sloonei.

Why?

I’ve been reading Vivax as town for a while, sort of like how I’ve been reading Elo as town for a while. I’ve been vibing with him.

[Scotty]

@Scotty whats your read on sig

@sig whats your read on Michelle?

Question for all… what can we do to resolve DFs spot in the PoE.

Honestly had sig pegged for the vote changer role, so now I got nothing pegged for him.

I’ve been agreeing with a lot of what he’s posed like I’ve been agreeing with SVS a lot of the time. His entrance today is also making my shingles tingle

[Scotty]

@Scotty whats your read on sig

@sig whats your read on Michelle?

Question for all… what can we do to resolve DFs spot in the PoE.

Also we literally can’t do anything about DF besides voting him off which with 2 mafia members is a wasted day right now imo.

Better to go after the most likely to be active mafia ones first and If all else fails discuss him as an option

agreed.

If we had a vig, that should have been the target to use it on

[Scotty]

And I do still stand by my insane theory. I think a mafia DF would’ve made sure to place a vote and definitely would’ve made a vote last phase (even if it was a w/w wagon)

meh. He’s been consistently inconsistent.

[Scotty]

I do think there's a world where solving DF helps us get to sigs alignment.

PoE as it stands for me is Michelle, Vivax, Eloh, DF

I think Scotty is deterministic with Michelle
Sig is deterministic with DF

If I'm just wrong on someone it's Sloonei.

Elo, eh?

Your POE is something.

Quin also suspected Elo on the day that bea died. For…some reason

[Scotty]

When this game started I had boatloads of free time. My job had slowed down to a point where I felt like I was unemployed. So I started applying to all new jobs while waiting for work to come my way.

Work has since picked back up, and it turns out the lull was just because the company was transitioning to a new online platform. Meanwhile, I was also hired to work part time at a restaurant near home. So I’ve gone from 0 jobs to 2 jobs in the last week. All of this is to say it feels a bit ambitious of me to continue to promise that I will complete my G-man (and now Quin) ISOs in a reasonable timeframe. I’ll try to make myself useful, but I’ll be severely limited for this entire week.

congrats on the new jobs!

It’s ok. I’ll do some work on it tomorrow for both of us.

[Scotty]

Doing a sis ISO and came across this:

Spoiler: show

Vivax 2.0, Quin, and golden are gonna be my mafia team predications.

No further explanations Will be given, except that I’m seizing control of this train and will now be the town leader all bow before me

I’m gonna go ahead and vote for Quin. I think Llama + being off major wagon + the peanut gallery votes + Sloonie GMan analysis is a pretty good reason to start there.

The more I read the more I think Bea could be mafia but I’m approaching that cautiously.

I could still see Golden being mafia but that’s more tinfoil right now I do want to ISO him though

And then last is up in the air again. I do think we’ve got a high poster so that means either DH/SVS, Golden, or Scotty since I doubt a mafia team of Sloonie and Gman wouldn’t be able to create a third wagon.

I’ll say for SVS is that she plays an amazing game as mafia and I can’t read her worth a damn BUT DH game was very Civvie near the end. The only caveat would be if DH/SVS entire team is filled with less active players then I could see the in thread anger

Ok, I’m pulling this because it was made on Night 3, which is hilarious.

Sig then continually lists his desire to elim Quin, usually pairing him with someone else. His suspicion there is so often in my reread that I can’t help but Townread him for it.

Though it took him a while from when he was willing to vote for Quin in the night 3 to actually vote quin in day 5. These were the votes when sig voted for quin:
Golden
1
5%
Voters: Quin
Michelle
3
16%
Voters: Matahari, Sloonei, S~V~S
Quin
5
Voters: Vivax, Golden, Michelle, Scotty, DrWilgy

I think it’s a good look.

I think sig has had some messy reads and has hedged his Quin suspicion a lot. But he’s still been a suspect. In a similar vein of what Wilgy was going, sig kept calling Quin out as a top suspect, so the through-line is there.

[Scotty]

Michelle is bad lol

Ok, I did a search for all the times Michelle mentioned Quin. Guess which is the first mention? You guessed it:

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

When she voted for him yesterday.

Her defense of this is even more nakedly scummy:

I think two of the three wagons could be Mafia, pretty much all of us have been circling these three people.

But which two?

I wouldn't be surprised if the wagons are all town because of the way you try to shade me

Bea was suspected by everyone and their mom, trying to legitimate the push by the thread's consensus suspicions is nagl

Also you said i didn't mention Quin. I don't remember to notice his presence in the game in the same time with me so yes, i didn't talk with/about him.
Your point?

I was doing the same thing Scotty, now i can go to sleep.

If anyone wants to ask me something I am still here for a while

Who would you be voting if there were no votes on the poll?

My vote is there not because it was a wagon.
My Poe is in Quin/Svs/DF/Golden/Vivax (not ordered) but if the wagon on Lorab was made to save Quin/Svs then one of them is bad for sure

Implies that the wagons of Golden, Quin and herself could all be town. This is important because it seems in this post that she doesn’t believe Quin to be bad, even though she was currently voting there.

Getting defensive about SVS bringing attention to the fact that she hasn’t mentioned Quin all game. And because she didn’t notice him, she had no reason to talk with OR about him. This needs no explanation on why that’s suspicious.

Finally claims to have some agency behind the vote, and adds Quin (and SVS) into her POE. But just 3 posts ago she “wouldn’t be surprised” if Quin is good. This sure looks like a exasperation vote. This whole thing is like if you procrastinated too much and missed the deadline on sending in your essay online to the teacher, and then wrote the essay, emailed the teacher 12 hours later with the completed essay citing ‘bad connectivity issues’ and ‘I totally sent it on time you have to believe me’ and the teacher is like, “okay, technically issues happen- don’t let it happen again.”

So anyway, I’d advocate a Michelle elimination today.

[Scotty]

I will be withholding my actual vote for a bit today.

Cart before the horse, but I’m feeling good right now.

Work isn’t over tho

[DrWilgy]

Do you believe there's a finite or infinite way to look at things differently ?

Humans can't process infinity?

[DrWilgy]

I do think there's a world where solving DF helps us get to sigs alignment.

PoE as it stands for me is Michelle, Vivax, Eloh, DF

I think Scotty is deterministic with Michelle
Sig is deterministic with DF

If I'm just wrong on someone it's Sloonei.

Elo, eh?

Your POE is something.

Quin also suspected Elo on the day that bea died. For…some reason

Elo is very low on the PoE priority. Kinda like where I put you in my head, but without the associations.

[Golden]

Given Scotty's approach to looking at Michelle/Quin interaction, I decided to go look for Michelle/G-Man interaction.

G consistently puts Michelle in his PoE but without any kind of passion. Calls her Mehchelle (something I agree with, but I think it's well within he bounds of reality for a teammate to recognise and accurately describe the state of her game.

One post in particular stood out to me (emphasis in sarcastic orange).

G-Man gives a pass to Michelle for being self-cursed, despite 'finding her more suspicious than Quin', but also declares no curse mercy from now on. This is the most w/w thing in G-Man's iso. I also found nothing that made me specifically think that they are incompatible as w/w. Michelle iso next.

(By the way, looks like there's no curses for not voting today)

I think the baddies were sitting back, figuring they could spend two days taking out DH and then maybe even Kate when DH flipped civ.

So there’s a little scrambling going on here.

We really need to lynch a baddie today. There are 3, maybe 4, people I won’t vote for, and I would rather not vote for the insanified.

But although I still feel GMan is not his civ self, I could move.

I think at this point, no mercy should be given to someone with the simple letter switching insanity. It’s common knowledge since Day 2 when bea and DF got it.
Michelle and sig should get no passes today because of their affliction

Visceral instinct told me not to vote Michelle even though I find her a little more suspicious than Quin because it would be viewed as poor form to start a chop train on a player with a posting restriction. It's a pretty old-school mindset, but I get where you're coming from. She failed to vote, so it's her own fault for the posting restriction. Definitely be wary of anyone else 'accidentally' missing the vote from here on out. Show no mercy!

Vamoosing for a bit to get some work done (because, like it or not, playing mafia doesn't pay the bills). Here's where my ISO's stand so far:

Towncore:
-Bea
-Eloh
-G-Man
-Kate

POE:
-DF
-DrWilgy


More to come tonight.

It always gives me the heebie-jeebies when someone puts themself in their own town core.

It's a bit of old-school whimsy, you ninny. Trying to keep it as light as I can when I'm on the hot seat, you know? Besides, did anyone get weird about it when Llama did it?

[Golden]

I've been wanting to find time to sit down and do a Michelle iso for ages and now I have it. So this might be only part G-Man connectivity, part overall read.

[Golden]

Does anyone who knows Michelle know whether she would ordinarily post vote counts mid-day and, if so, what she would do with them if town? Because I get the sense that she's doing nothing with them here (not the the service isn't unhelpful, what I'm asking is the extent to which this is meta vs meta-imitation).

[Golden]

Overall impression of Michelle day 1 - asks a lot of questions. Interacts with a quite wide range of people on day one. None of them are G-Man or Quin, and I wouldn't really say she follows through on any of her questions.

[Golden]

On Day 2, Michelle went to Poland, and wasn't around much. I still don't think there is any interaction with G-Man (unless I've missed it somewhere).

[Golden]

SVS (33) + DH (230) Net yut,

Gmon - A suu selvy octavaty en D2 bit enly enu pest tedoy.
P1793 Peu ef Forodoy, Walgy, Geldun, Machullu, Qian ond Sleenua.
A nuud te chuck pregrussaen bit oftur dannur

Leekang ot my pests

Lanka: Scetty- ASE net oss!

I think this is the only post where Michelle mentions G-Man at all, and zero interactions. What she says? "I see solvy activity on D2 but only one post today." I don't see any reason for that to indicate a read, but then she votes for G-Man in the day.

What I see on the Michelle side of Michelle/G-Man is exactly the same thing Scotty described between Michelle/Quin. Could be someone who doesn't want to go too near her teammates? This could be *quite* helpful in terms of finding the last one if she is wolf.

[Golden]

Two days in a row I plant counterwagon votes and the person I vote no u’s me.

Like, I have thoughts. Some of them are ‘if you’re town, can’t you get on board with subtext’ thoughts. Others are ‘if you’re bad, am I putting you under pressure’ thoughts.

But my main thought is what I said to svs yesterday. I would have ultimately voted to save Sloonei if needed (and kinda did) but bea is ‘winning’ the poll today and seems to have gone into antispew because Sloonei, someone who I think is civ, is a viable counter option.

I believe in being accountable for how you vote and use an explanation, but I think it’s problematic (and this goes beyond myself, it’s problematic on a level of solving the game well), if people are discouraged for voting in ways that create pressure and the opportunity for mafia to show themselves, for me that’s a net negative to the town.

If Bea is outed wolf there is not much to say.
I play usually at MU where the day ends in most of the games when majority is reached. Often town forces the majj to end the day in such cases.

An interesting case against counter-wagons from Michelle on bea lynching day.

[Golden]

I thought I had no impression of Michelle because of me, but her night 3 posts are just blendy and safe. It’s not me it’s you.

So you put me in the Poe for playstyle

I never answered this from Michelle, I meant to, got busy and forgot about it. But now that I see it again, I remember it pinged me in the moment.

You don't put people in a PoE, you take people out of it. Michelle, how familiar are you with PoEs?

[Golden]

Michelle has come back with a lot of posts in days 4/5 but still very few conclusions. Whenever she's been asked directly to name suspects, she's hedged.

Question - does anyone know Michelle's preferences? Does she enjoy being mafia? Does she enjoy being town? I'd like to get a meta read on her.

Iso suggests compatability with G-Man and Quin is very plausible. There's no active distancing, but an awful lot of distancing by non-interaction.

[DrWilgy]

Augh

[Scotty]

Does anyone who knows Michelle know whether she would ordinarily post vote counts mid-day and, if so, what she would do with them if town? Because I get the sense that she's doing nothing with them here (not the the service isn't unhelpful, what I'm asking is the extent to which this is meta vs meta-imitation).

Yes, Michelle does this as both alignments, so that’s pretty NAI for her

Some people have a better sense of her meta and “town-tell” than I do, as I generally don’t value meta as highly.

[Vivax]

And I do still stand by my insane theory. I think a mafia DF would’ve made sure to place a vote and definitely would’ve made a vote last phase (even if it was a w/w wagon)

I don't understand why you'd use the last part ? Like, why shouldn't w-DF vote on w/w-wagons ?
+ Maybe he was affected by non-player-blue.

If we lim Michelle, it's a bit like we're sheeping DF