The Syndicate

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:00 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 am There's a cop, a lie detector, a letter learner and a tracker plus hidden powers. There is one known power that would make any of these incorrect.

Meanwhile Ermac said a block wasn't the cause of the failure so the multiple blocks don't enter into it.

If you think night power info is the only reason for the Simon case (it isn't. Dunya did a comparison of townie and scum Simon in previous games), I don't see why you wouldn't follow it.

I'm going to be honest. I have hardly read anything Ermac said. There's a portion of this phase I did not get around to reading given the business I've had to tend to this weekend outside this game. When time permits I'll review all of that and decide whatever I decide.

Also consider the role of culture here. You come from a place in HCRealms where role-driven information is arguably the most critical element of the hunting process. In a classically-styled Syndicate full game, it is a different beast as are perceptions thereof.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:05 am**

With HCRealms games, you have safeclaims, misdirectors, bus drivers, shape shifters, hiders, scum who die and flip town and then come back and flip bad when you kill them a second time. All in the same game.

Here, the front page tells you there are lots of info gatherers and next to know misdirection roles.

I'm trusting someone on the Syndicate who I think probably has info more than I trust someone on the realms who says "I copped so and so mafia."

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:08 am**

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:43 pm Lynch me on my content if you want to, but don't use my attendance at a freaking wedding to throw shade. That's desperate and low.

I'm freaking trying. Ask me questions, because I can't catch up like this

Can confirm. Speedchuck wasn't on our Chatsy all night.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:09 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:33 pm Simon is town because as far as I can tell he didn’t get bussed by his own team.

Is this to say that you don't believe it's a likely scenario that a mafia Simon would have been lynched primarily by civilians? If so, why?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:12 am**

I've just realized that three of the four dead players are RYMers.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:19 am**

Jimmy, please explain what happened between here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:46 pm Voted Simon.

And here

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:59 pm Simon is who the scum want to lynch. Agreed?

That makes him the worst candidate.
I'd rather lynch speedchuck.

Cause neither Simon nor Speedchuck did anything relevant between these posts.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:52 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:48 am I'm never playing in two games at once again. What a pain in the ass.

(I encourage all Syndicate members to play in every game; I'm just a tired old man)
I'm not looking forward to hosting a game on top of this for various reasons.

My game just opened.
JackOfHearts should check in.

Anyways, let’s talk about Simon. My main concern about Simon being mafia is that I don’t see visible signs of people trying to save him. Besides that last minute Lap switch. That was pretty bleh. But I wouldn’t put Lap on my Mafia list (which might be on me). To me it seems like mafia just sat the end of that day out, which would suggest either they all had their votes where they wanted them and didn’t care between the top two / three.

@JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.

I guess I’ll phrase my original question this way. How many mafia members do y’all think were on the Dunya lynch?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:03 pm There are 14 minutes. Vote speedchuck. Go.

Jimmy is bad with Simon.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:27 am**

They don't have to do anything relevant. I am a player continually thinking through the end of the phase and my mind will morph in accordance with all accumulated data.
speedchuck was my preference and I tried to generate that lynch when Mac made it clear he wanted an alternative.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:27 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:12 am I've just realized that three of the four dead players are RYMers.

I was an RYMer in the Talking Heads game.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:29 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:03 pm There are 14 minutes. Vote speedchuck. Go.
Jimmy is bad with Simon.

Okay.

Believe what you will. I've too little time in this game available to waste it on this. You're wrong.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:31 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:03 pm There are 14 minutes. Vote speedchuck. Go.
Jimmy is bad with Simon.

One of very few possibilities where Simon as mafia makes sense to me but I don’t know if I’m quite paranoid to indulge in it yet.

Also I just reread EOD and I gained a new scumread on Mac :P.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:33 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:27 am They don't have to do anything relevant. I am a player continually thinking through the end of the phase and my mind will morph in accordance with all accumulated data.
speedchuck was my preference and I tried to generate that lynch when Mac made it clear he wanted an alternative.

So with 8 votes on Simon (who you thought I had info on) and 6 votes on Dunya (who you thought was town) and 14 min to go, you decided to tell people voting Simon to switch to Speed, who had 1 vote on him.

But you're a townie and couldn't anticipate how this plan could have resulted in a townie lynch?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.

I don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
I don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?

Super WIFOM but I don’t think it’s accurate. Let’s say Lap didn’t switch and Simon got lynched and flips Maf. Who takes more suspicion: Dunya voters or Simon voters?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:43 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:11 pm I really need to finish my presentation on civilian philosophy that nobody will watch. I respect that you believe what you're saying sig, but these kinds of "X saved Y!" and "X is trying to hot potatoe Y civilian!" type arguments fall flat so much more frequently than they amount to anything. Catching mafia is not that easy.

WIFOM

"The baddie thing I am doing is too blatantly bad. Catching baddies is not this easy. Ergo I am not bad."

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:46 am**

rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 pm When did Simon change, he voted me earlier.....

Two votes, one post from Simon. No defense. No hint.

Baddies: Simon, Jimmy, Wilgy.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:47 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:35 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:22 am @JJJ
If Simon got lynched and flipped mafia, the assumption would be that mafia bussed him hard. So obviously a Simon lynch would have town votes on it but it would also be an easy way for mafia to get cred and I doubt they wouldn’t take it.
I don't quite follow. If the prevailing assumption were that the mafia were bussing Simon, wouldn't that significantly limit any credit they can expect to earn for having done so?
Super WIFOM but I don’t think it’s accurate. Let’s say Lap didn’t switch and Simon got lynched and flips Maf. Who takes more suspicion: Dunya voters or Simon voters?

In a vacuum, the dunya voters probably take more suspicion -- though I'd expect both wagons to draw significant scrutiny given the environment of the thread prior to that point. You've said that you don't feel Simon is as likely to be mafia given that his voters don't appear to be mafia (i.e. your suspects were more centralized on the dunya wagon). What specifically drives these suspicions for you, your belief in Simon as a civilian or your suspects as suspects? I'm trying to piece apart the chicken and the egg of what you're saying.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:54 am**

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:59 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:54 am @JaggedJimmyJay

That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.

I was trying to lynch speedchuck. 14 minutes is a long time. In Mountain Mafia I went from third place in a tally to first place, covering about 5-6 votes dropped on me in quick succession, in the space of about 10 minutes. I wanted to make that happen. Hot potatoes only require a series of clicks by active players in the thread. I didn't succeed.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:03 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:59 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:54 am @JaggedJimmyJay

That wasn't a hypothetical question. I want you to walk me through what you were trying to do minutes before EOD with the switch to Speed.
I was trying to lynch speedchuck. 14 minutes is a long time. In Mountain Mafia I went from third place in a tally to first place, covering about 5-6 votes dropped on me in quick succession, in the space of about 10 minutes. I wanted to make that happen. Hot potatoes only require a series of clicks by active players in the thread. I didn't succeed.

Depends on your goal.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:07 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:02 pm Y'all: if you suspect both Simon and speedchuck, put your vote speedchuck.

Jimmy's case on Speedchuck was week as can be.

Jimmy didn't ask everyone to move to Speed, just Simon voters.

#Youarebad

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:08 am**

So weak in fact, it was missing an a.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:09 am**

For the record, I had my vote on Simon before dunya when I agreed to removing my vote from her. speedhcucks logic on how Simon is no good. I dont know what happens if votes are tied, I still don't think simon is bad just because he's noncommittal & lacking communication throughout this entire game. Mac's logic made most sense to bus simon out of the game because itd be an easy target & it seemed believable that it'd happen. I switched in fear knowing I would have made a bad decision if I didn't go with mac's words how dunya is probably manipulating us to sympathize. I realised we fudged up when she told us to check Elohcin right after polls closed.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?

You didn't answer my question.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:11 am**

I'm sorry I begrayed you [mention]dunya[/mention]

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:11 am**

lapluie wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:11 am I'm sorry I begrayed you @dunya

Betrayed *

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:14 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:40 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:24 am Tell me why Speedchuck or Dunya would be preferable or even comparably good lynches to Simon if I didn't have info. Cause I don't see it, Jimmy. So for you and Marmot to say you think I do have info but to vote against that, for strictly less suspicious people? I have a hard time squaring that with townie alignment.

Tell me what you think of Simon's reaction to this train, Lap's last minute switch, Tony's insistence that Simon would have been bussed if he was bad but not if he was good, Wilgy's vote for Speed and Eloh's "lynch Dunya over Simon but only lynch Simon if Dunya flips scum."
"Strictly less suspicious people" is where you and I diverge. Apart from this possible information, which I am already conditioned not to entirely trust in a game with multiple blockers, a switcher, and 20+ ??? abilities that do god knows what, I didn't believe the case against Simon was that interesting. Indeed, for me the potential that information existed was the case against Simon. It wasn't "information exists and he is also super suspicious". He's a 10 year old kid that rarely gets heavily involved in a game. I've never seen him do much more than he has here regardless of alignment. His specific reaction to the train was to place a self-preservation vote. That is protocol. I'd have liked it more if he said something too. He'll be a suspect moving forward.

~ Lap's late switch fits her continued suspicion of dunya. She has said that she was afraid of being manipulated by dunya or something similar, and given MacDougall's comments at the end I can frankly believe her on that.

~ I don't know what you're referring to yet re: TSP. Stand by.

~ Wilgy is also a suspect and I don't think it matters much what speedchuck's alignment is on that front.

~ I said earlier that I didn't like Elohcin gluing dunya to Simon merely because she had defended him. That's an overly simplistic read and it felt shoehorned into a thread which was begging for dunya votes. One can also suggest that if she and Simon are mafia, then by gluing dunya to him and lynching her first she severs that tie and makes him look better -- this is a more speculative notion but it's worth discussion.

You did not answer my question.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:17 am**

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] did chime in asking who to pick for lynch, out of simon & speed. why dunya?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 6:49 am**

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:02 pm
Glorfindel wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:52 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:30 pm Tough lynch. Should have been a baddie. RIP.
Damn straight! We were handed a life line with the last night’s results and we just threw it away. I can’t see any logic voting Dunya over Simon in the first place and now we’re saying that Simon is Town?

I’m kinda glad that I won’t be around to endure this after the next 24 hours.

epingosis wrote:4. No double-targeting (targeting the same individual with a power twice in a row) or self-targeting.
if ermac was right/telling the truth then you're probably safe

It’s not beyond the realm of possibility that he was talking through his arse...

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am**

Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.

I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:47 am**

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 pm Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.

Someone analyze this. It’s 11 words so it won’t be hard.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 9:09 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

I disagree. I bought Jack’s pursuit of Dunya after LC suggested that there was more to it (in that Jack had intel on her) but once it became clear that wasn’t the case, I assumed (correctly) that the Dunya case held no water at all. I’m still struggling to see how anyone bought into that lynch and one must surely conclude that there must be some Mafia on that wagon - and more if you interpret her lynching as a ‘Simon-rescue’.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:53 am**

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 7:56 am Had I not been so unjustly disenfranchised, I would have tried to save dunya and lynch Simon. I agreed with Jay that speedchuck was the better option, but since he didn't get enough votes and it came down to a near-tie I'd probably have gone Simon. I must admit I did have some doubts about dunya for a bit when the wagon was picking up, but her pleads when it came down to the wire sounded sincere.

I haven't done any in-depth analysis but off the top of my head Jack, Kyle, Lap, and Rabbit come out of this looking pretty good, and Eloh, Quin, LC, and Speed come out looking not-so-good. Jack and Rabbit especially (and Mac but he's dead) did some solid confident hunting work both before and after the result there, and I'm inclined to follow their intuitions. I can't decide how I feel about Jay but I suppose I could see the tinfoil that he's mafia with Simon and Speed. Geez being in two concurrent games with several of the same players is mentally exhausting, I'm trying not to conflate too much meta from Fiddler but I have so many confusing tinfoily wifomy thoughts about Jay in both games lol. It's been hard to keep track but I definitely have a more traditionally civ vibe from him in this game compared to that one, but compared to previous games where he was supatown it's been a bit on the weaker side.

Nobody is saying Simon, Jimmy and Speed are bad together.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:54 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 pm Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.
Someone analyze this. It’s 11 words so it won’t be hard.

WIFOM from a baddie. It means nothing.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.

For me.

Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:40 am**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:01 am
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:06 pm
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 9:04 pm IDK about Quinn though....
Look at what quin is doing. No attempt to solve the mafia. He is just trying to find where to hide his vote.
Hide his vote, hes been tunneling Dunya all day.... I wasn't even moved until recently with a few of Duns posts.

You can't hide your vote in a train you created on someone you claim is on his team no less. That would just be confusing to do considering all the players you lumped together.

I think what MIGHT have happened is Speed and Dunya are teammates with Jack, possibly Simon and railroaded Simon to save those two from a three way tie. Or Simons a civ who wont defend himself anyway.
I at mentioned Simon when I initially voted for him at the beginning of the phase. Nobody's sneaking a lynch in on Simon.

He was around to defend himself. Choose not to.

He's bad.

You think me and Simon are bad together? Let me lynch Simon. What do you care?

I voted for Simon...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 2:46 am
rabbit8 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:21 pm When did Simon change, he voted me earlier.....
Two votes, one post from Simon. No defense. No hint.

Baddies: Simon, Jimmy, Wilgy.

A agree with at least 2, possible the thrid if the first to pan out.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:42 am**

To be fair I did not vote for Simon to save Dunya, I did think she was bad. I was wrong.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 11:44 am**

I think Rabbit is good after yesterday.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.
For me.

Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:31 pm Hot take: Simon and Dunya both town

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.
For me.

Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:31 pm Hot take: Simon and Dunya both town
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take

And now that you've had more time to think about it?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:31 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 10:57 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:34 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 3:10 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am

Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
You didn't answer my question.
I answered it later I think. Or I didn’t. Absolutely nothing at all. Which is a little concerning.
For me.

Why then did you come out of that lynching saying that Simon must be town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2018 10:31 pm Hot take: Simon and Dunya both town
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_take
And now that you've had more time to think about it?

I’ve leaned off Simon being town, but I don’t think he’s a good lynch tomorrow (he would be a solid vig kill). We got all the information we would get from lynching him today and on the off chance he’s town we have little chance of recovery. If we lynch Simon and he’s mafia we have to choose whether to pursue JJJ/ Wilgy or Nutella / Eloh / Lap and there’s way too much room for error. M

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:34 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 8:47 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2018 8:36 pm Bad guys are Hazlenut, Mac, and Sloonster.

Dis is de wae.
Someone analyze this. It’s 11 words so it won’t be hard.

I think that's what makes it hard.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 pm**

If Simon lives through the night (and the mafia will absolutely doctor him) he should be the only lynch candidate.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:53 pm**

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:36 pm If Simon lives through the night (and the mafia will absolutely doctor him) he should be the only lynch candidate.

If he's alive tomorrow, I'd vote for him too. I don't see any reason not to.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:03 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:25 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:44 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:41 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 12:02 am Based on Simon’s performance so far it’s hard to say he isn’t mafia but I feel like that shook out as if he were Town. I’m not sold on it, but I don’t think that should be where the lynch should be tomorrow at least.
Tell me more about this.

What are some concrete things that Simon has done to make you think he is town or lynching him is a bad idea.
Who’s mafia if Simon is town?
Who’s mafia if Simon is mafia?
This post pings me. It's like you took a line from the "How To Mafia" handbook and applied it to the flavour of the day. It's suspicious because Simon has very few posts, and none of them are interactive.

I don't see the problem with these questions. They relate more to what players vote for (or away from) Simon as opposed to what Simon says.

As for not lynching Simon tomorrow, I hope TSP has a solid alternate option.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm**

Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 pm**

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?

Good question.

Probably Nutella.

Posted: **Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:47 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:16 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jan 21, 2018 1:07 pm Actually Tony, who do you want to lynch tomorrow if you think Simon's a bad lynch?
Good question.

Probably Nutella.

Why?

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