The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:50 pm There's obviously plenty of evidence to the contrary, Jim. It feels ridiculous to have to say it, but I can go back a decade to see hundreds of games where someone did something on Day 1 that 'started it up' in that way. Most of them didn't contain you. At least half the people in this game have been responsible for getting things going with some daring push or pushy dare.

So, is this really your honest opinion?

Yes. 12 hours passed and nothing was happening. I took it upon myself to change that. I had no immediate evidence that someone else was going to do the same. Perhaps someone would have -- "perhaps" isn't good enough for me. I did what I thought was necessary.

Was the thread really that accelerated before Epi blew JJJ's restriction?

IDK. Starting to doubt myself. I might be in a tunnel.

Linki: I skimmed vocaroo, and found your passionate posts to be more passionate, less unreasonable? But that was just a skim. I ain't listeneing to all that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:28 pmYes. The Epi/LC dynamic is in play here, only Epi changed his target to Jay to shake things up.

I know, right - the guy finally leaves me alone, what a relief!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

Jay what would be the physical difference between a good job and a bad job of accelerating?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.

I don't know. Epi should answer this.

Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:42 pm The difference that I think speedchuck and Kyle are missing in my description of my own play:

Would I make it look like I am trying to accelerate a thread as a bad guy? Absolutely.

Would I actually do a good job? Nope.

Jay what would be the physical difference between a good job and a bad job of accelerating?

Evil Jay has said some version of this many times:

"Come on guys. A slow thread benefits the mafia. We have to get this thing moving and maintain a greater pace."

Then, predictably, nobody cares. The thread remains stagnant and nothing happens.

Good Jay has also said that, mostly in ancient history before he came recognize that nobody cares. Good Jay recognizes that accelerating a thread requires actions, not pleas for activity. Good Jay pokes someone in the fucking eye and makes them scream. Good Jay continues poking until the poked player explodes and/or other participants involve themselves somehow in the poking fiasco. That's content generation. That's acceleration.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.

I don't know. Epi should answer this.

Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.

Spoiler: show

Cue the "Epignosis is pretending to be ignorant song and dance."

What

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm If people are going to vote for me, I just have one request: keep the tally close. Don't let the wagon take off.

Suspect me for saying that if you want, I don't give a shit. Just please keep it close.

I do not plan on voting for you today.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.

I don't know. Epi should answer this.

Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.

Spoiler: show

Cue the "Epignosis is pretending to be ignorant song and dance."

The question was meant for Sloonei. He feels your suspicion of me is more a matter of my reaction to your initial suggestion that he and I are mafia teammates. I am suggesting that your suspicion of me pre-dates that, because it originates with my initial "fake tell" move against Kyle and your suggestion that it was me faking it.

Which of those assertions is more accurate?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:28 pm Yes. The Epi/LC dynamic is in play here, only Epi changed his target to Jay to shake things up.

Could be. If so, it sheds a lot of new light on why that always sets LC off so much.

But it's LC that drives me bananas.

Inore that. My phone got ahead of itself and told me I was done using the keypad.

What is the true source of your suspicion against Jay, Epi? Did it begin in earnest before you announced your paranoia read about the two of us, or did it begin with his prod of Kyle? Or some other time?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm If people are going to vote for me, I just have one request: keep the tally close. Don't let the wagon take off.

Suspect me for saying that if you want, I don't give a shit. Just please keep it close.

I do not plan on voting for you today.

Do you have any perspectives of the people who have done so, or mused over suspecting me?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:53 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:50 pm There's obviously plenty of evidence to the contrary, Jim. It feels ridiculous to have to say it, but I can go back a decade to see hundreds of games where someone did something on Day 1 that 'started it up' in that way. Most of them didn't contain you. At least half the people in this game have been responsible for getting things going with some daring push or pushy dare.

So, is this really your honest opinion?

Yes. 12 hours passed and nothing was happening. I took it upon myself to change that. I had no immediate evidence that someone else was going to do the same. Perhaps someone would have -- "perhaps" isn't good enough for me. I did what I thought was necessary.

2nd question, why 12 hours?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

sorry I guess my question was unclear, why not sooner? when did you first check into the thread?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:08 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

sorry I guess my question was unclear, why not sooner? when did you first check into the thread?

I'm happy to give people some time to check in and goof around before I lose my mind.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.

I don't know. Epi should answer this.

Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.

Spoiler: show

Cue the "Epignosis is pretending to be ignorant song and dance."

The question was meant for Sloonei. He feels your suspicion of me is more a matter of my reaction to your initial suggestion that he and I are mafia teammates. I am suggesting that your suspicion of me pre-dates that, because it originates with my initial "fake tell" move against Kyle and your suggestion that it was me faking it.

Which of those assertions is more accurate?

Yours.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:10 pm Speed not being on the poll was an oversight. Anyone who wants to cast a vote for him just bold his name in the thread.

Or don't. Just imply it.

I could move my vote back to Kylemii.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:04 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:32 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:28 pm Yes. The Epi/LC dynamic is in play here, only Epi changed his target to Jay to shake things up.

Could be. If so, it sheds a lot of new light on why that always sets LC off so much.

But it's LC that drives me bananas.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

...and that's terrible.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:01 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:40 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 12:23 pm Sloonei, if Epi's suspicion of me is built upon my reaction to his turd, why is the premier premise he's promoted that my initial poop on Kyle was a performance rather than a real attempt to generate content? That was my first action in this thread, well before he turded you and I.

I don't know. Epi should answer this.

Can you reword the question. I don't understand what's being asked.

Spoiler: show

Cue the "Epignosis is pretending to be ignorant song and dance."

What

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:04 pm Inore that. My phone got ahead of itself and told me I was done using the keypad.

What is the true source of your suspicion against Jay, Epi? Did it begin in earnest before you announced your paranoia read about the two of us, or did it begin with his prod of Kyle? Or some other time?

Good thing you clarified. I interpreted your reaction as "What"



To be more specific regarding my thought process (since I'm so often accused of pretzel logic and am getting that criticism here again), my initial concern was how Kylemii failed to consider that 3J was bad and was making a move against him. Had the Vocaroo sequel not have happened, I might have carried on with considering that a sign of Kyle's (subconscious) guilt revealing itself, but when I read Kyle's posts in his own voice, that feeling went away.

At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:24 pm At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.

Folks need to understand that "catching mafia" isn't the only thing to when a game begins. Some mild suspicions can emerge from a pile of bullshit (which my "tell" on Kyle absolutely was), but civilian reads can come of that too. Any game-relevant content can be judged for alignment. That mini rainbow I spat out was an immediate reception of how the maneuver was handled by people in the thread. Early in a game it's the latter I care about most. Making a confident mafia read on Day 1 is very difficult, but confident civilian reads come more easily. I value that a lot, and it can't happen if the content in the thread doesn't reflect people playing the game.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

...and that's terrible.

What is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 11:55 am

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:04 am Eek! I'm here!!!! Went to bed before first post was up last night and then one of those days where I didn't actually have time to check in. I need to get used to scheduling games into my day again!! I'm totally distracted tonight by life, so unsure about thread goings on. I need to reread to figure out what I think about Kyle, J, Epi, etc. I should be around a bunch tomorrow.

And totally appreciating all of the thread jewiness, btw! Shalom, y'all!

This is LoRab's only non-green post. There's a little player salad. It's not my favorite post. She should be given a chance to say more in the coming hours.

She will. She skimmed everything before this post and had things going on and was distracted. She's been busy all morning. She is starting to forumulate thoughts.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:06 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm 2nd question, why 12 hours?

Because that's a lot of hours.

...and that's terrible.

What is?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:24 pm At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.

Folks need to understand that "catching mafia" isn't the only thing to when a game begins. Some mild suspicions can emerge from a pile of bullshit (which my "tell" on Kyle absolutely was), but civilian reads can come of that too. Any game-relevant content can be judged for alignment. That mini rainbow I spat out was an immediate reception of how the maneuver was handled by people in the thread. Early in a game it's the latter I care about most. Making a confident mafia read on Day 1 is very difficult, but confident civilian reads come more easily. I value that a lot, and it can't happen if the content in the thread doesn't reflect people playing the game.

I get all that.

My point was that if everybody realizes your bullshit is...well, bullshit, they're going to treat it as such. speedchuck certainly did:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:18 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 10:31 am Kyle is with the Russian Police. Discuss.

strongly disagree

He's strong-arming us!

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 12:54 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:59 am fucking

*votes Kylemii*

nutella's reaction doesn't strike me as serious:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 3:29 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2018 1:11 pm okay so you think a 48 hour long game with teens who kept being terrible dicks to each other is going to be indicative of how I play in a real game as mafia?

one game isn't enough for real tell correlation, famous poker player sneezes the first time they roll a full house you don't just assume that they have a full house the second time they sneeze

So you recognize the parallel then?

boom rekt

Other than Sloonei (who voted on the basis of Kyle's reaction), who said anything about your opening move? Kylemii appears to be the only one to take what you said about him seriously.

I believe that if you were going to move the thread along for the benefit of the civilian faction, you would have come up with something a little more believable than what you did to stir up conversation. That's my position, and why I suspect you. That Sloonei hounded Kyle over what was obviously absurd gave me the impression that you two were throwing your weight around to lynch a floundering Kylemii.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:30 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:24 pm At the same time, I was thinking about how 3J said something obviously absurd (at least it was obvious to me), and that if the plan was to figure out who is bad by generating content from saying something so obviously absurd (3J at least took credit for generating content), how genuine was 3J being? The fake tell maneuver was too over-the-top for me to believe that an honest 3J expected to catch mafia with it, and because of that, it looked too much like an act.

Folks need to understand that "catching mafia" isn't the only thing to when a game begins. Some mild suspicions can emerge from a pile of bullshit (which my "tell" on Kyle absolutely was), but civilian reads can come of that too. Any game-relevant content can be judged for alignment. That mini rainbow I spat out was an immediate reception of how the maneuver was handled by people in the thread. Early in a game it's the latter I care about most. Making a confident mafia read on Day 1 is very difficult, but confident civilian reads come more easily. I value that a lot, and it can't happen if the content in the thread doesn't reflect people playing the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 1:22 pm If people are going to vote for me, I just have one request: keep the tally close. Don't let the wagon take off.

Suspect me for saying that if you want, I don't give a shit. Just please keep it close.

I do not plan on voting for you today.

Do you have any perspectives of the people who have done so, or mused over suspecting me?

I didn't take MacDougall's vote seriously. My impression was that he was getting revenge for his Day 1 lynch elsewhere.

I don't have an opinion of speedchuck.

OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:48 pm I get all that.

My point was that if everybody realizes your bullshit is...well, bullshit, they're going to treat it as such.

I agree. And I think people treating bullshit as bullshit can be read for alignment. I also think the target of the bullshit (in this case Kyle) is going to be confronted with additional challenge in handling that bullshit -- and people will react to his handling of it. That's even more readable.

Are there other ways to generate content? Sure, probably. When the thread features 10-15 empty posts about the theme which cannot be called suspicious or not suspicious however, someone has to make something up. Someone can make up a civilian read (JJJ on Tink re: Vocaroo 2), someone can bring out mechanical discourse, someone can fake a slip, someone can accuse someone else based on bullshit, etc. I decided to provoke someone.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Have you met Epignosis?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Have you met Epignosis?

Haha, this all looks very familiar.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Have you met Epignosis?

Holy hell, that's basically what I'm accusing you of now.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:57 pm I'm sure Scum Epi would go after JJJ first. Because he's such an easy townie to lynch.

Have you met Epignosis?

yeah man

Point taken, though, I guess. I'm not going to read that game to see how hard he stuck it.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--

i haven't improved at all since then, have i

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:10 pm Point taken, though, I guess. I'm not going to read that game to see how hard he stuck it.

Let me help.

The following posts are all from the RED vs. BLUE game (wherein Epignosis was mafia and I was a civilian). They should be read for the sake of comparison and contrast. Do not confuse them with the present game.


The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:12 pm

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--

i haven't improved at all since then, have i

Haven't played with you enough to know, lol. But it's not a bad thing that you react that way. It's just who you are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

So?

I disagree that any player should get an automatic pass on Day 1, just because they're a shitty lynch.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

Also, it's irksome to kill the most prolific player. Unless their post count is high due to frantic defense.

I think we should expand the lynch pool a little.

I hate to stoke his ego but, despite everything else, Jay is still enough of an asset when he's civ that I think he warrants more than a day of critique before lynching.

Even if we do end up lynching him I think it would be healthy to use this time to discuss a few more players as well.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:26 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:19 pm
The most pressing question emerging from this then would be: Epignosis, why won't you be voting for me today?

Because you're a shitty Day 1 lynch.

Why?

Now you're just fishing for compliments.

Because if you are good, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia-hunter gone, one who didn't even get a real chance to catch anybody.

And if you are bad, then that's an active, vocal, passionate mafia member who will be interacting thoroughly with his teammates.

You always give people shit for being afraid to lynch me. Are you afraid to lynch me?

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Jan 18, 2018 2:56 pm OK....I'm not seeing 3J as bad--I'm seeing his typical civ game. I'm also not seeing Kyle as bad--his reaction rings true with what I remember his reaction being in general when accused in any way--I'm null on him. I could see Epi being bad (despite his use of Hebrew in a post, and almost spelling it correctly except for the stray vowel)--while I've seen him go after people for no reason (often me) in games, and have seen him drop seeds to see what grows, I've also seen him as mafia pretend to do this--pretty much what he's claimed 3J has done. Perhaps my lens is colored by the fact that I'm reading 3J as civ, and considering that mafia are going to try for lynching civs, particularly in a 1 baddie team game.

Can you recall a previous game you played with Kyle that informs your perception of him now?