The Syndicate

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:57 pm Anyways I’m gonna stick in my town meta and dip

town: alison, doggo, tony

poe: rest

mafia is an easy game guys

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:57 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:56 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm [VOTE: Transcend] aubergine
do u just not agree with me or do u sr me

u said our reads clash all the time so think about this one
our reads do clash all the time but we've been v/w every time lol
so then how could u differentiate the difference between a town!trans and a scum!trans thought?

i .. probably can't?
so i'm just reading you the way i would anyone meta aside
and that remark was bad

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.
or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.
Not true.

Suppose 3 people do it. 2 scum and 1 town. That would mean that the behavior makes you 2/3 likely to be scum when you are only 2/11 likely to be scum on average. That makes it pretty far >rand scum.

but ur making a big assumption that theres 2 scum there. how do you know that? why isnt it 3 town and no scum? in that scenario the odds are 0/33 which makes it very strongly > rand town.

my only argument is that you said "x is a scummy behaviour" im saying that argument is inherently flawed because it has been proven that there has to be at least one town displaying that behaviour. you arbitratily saying theres 2/3 scum doesnt change that and its an argument you cant prove either.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:00 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm it's not even that i don't agree with you it's that i don't understand the thought in the first place from a town realistically scumhunting

can we just agree to disagree

he rly looks like he's putting brad on a burner from my perspective

if u disagree fine, i don't think ur scum just because u disagree

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pm**

ilario is town

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pm**

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:02 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:00 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm it's not even that i don't agree with you it's that i don't understand the thought in the first place from a town realistically scumhunting
can we just agree to disagree

he rly looks like he's putting brad on a burner from my perspective

if u disagree fine, i don't think ur scum just because u disagree

i mean i don't think saying someone will make themselves obvious by d2/d3 is wolfy
..people say it to me all the time, and i appreciate when they say it because it's usually true

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm**

ok but what is wolfy is that he's not gonna pay any mind to the slot until then, whereas everyone else is closely looking at him. some with town stances, some with scum stances.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.
or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.
Not true.

Suppose 3 people do it. 2 scum and 1 town. That would mean that the behavior makes you 2/3 likely to be scum when you are only 2/11 likely to be scum on average. That makes it pretty far >rand scum.
but ur making a big assumption that theres 2 scum there. how do you know that? why isnt it 3 town and no scum? in that scenario the odds are 0/33 which makes it very strongly > rand town.

my only argument is that you said "x is a scummy behaviour" im saying that argument is inherently flawed because it has been proven that there has to be at least one town displaying that behaviour. you arbitratily saying theres 2/3 scum doesnt change that and its an argument you cant prove either.

Because I have demonstrated a logical argument why scum are more likely to do it than town.

And the fact that at least one town is doing it doesn't change that.

Thank you for spewing yourself scum with your frustration over my read.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town

No.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm ok but what is wolfy is that he's not gonna pay any mind to the slot until then, whereas everyone else is closely looking at him. some with town stances, some with scum stances.

ehhh okay i can see this thought a little bit

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town

alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:05 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.

why is alison a wolf besides voting u?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:05 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:03 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:59 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:55 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:54 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:47 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:42 pm maybe that just means you arent as experienced at finding town LC as you once thought? more than 2 people have outed that read on him, they cant all be scum right?
If I say "people who do X are scummy" and the number of people who do X exceeds the size of the mafia team it doesn't mean I'm wrong, it just means my POE is bigger than 2.
or it just means that the basis for ur scumread is flawed. if more than 2 people are doing it, that means no matter how you look at it undoubtely there is town doing it too, whether or not you believe i am part of that town is something else.
Not true.

Suppose 3 people do it. 2 scum and 1 town. That would mean that the behavior makes you 2/3 likely to be scum when you are only 2/11 likely to be scum on average. That makes it pretty far >rand scum.
but ur making a big assumption that theres 2 scum there. how do you know that? why isnt it 3 town and no scum? in that scenario the odds are 0/33 which makes it very strongly > rand town.

my only argument is that you said "x is a scummy behaviour" im saying that argument is inherently flawed because it has been proven that there has to be at least one town displaying that behaviour. you arbitratily saying theres 2/3 scum doesnt change that and its an argument you cant prove either.
Because I have demonstrated a logical argument why scum are more likely to do it than town.

And the fact that at least one town is doing it doesn't change that.

Thank you for spewing yourself scum with your frustration over my read.

again, your putting emotions to me that arent even present. im not frustrated, nor anxious nor anything else you're going to accuse me of.

im just trying to understand your thought process because you seem to have a very confident read out of nothing at all

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.
Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

I'm just that good sometimes

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm**

Specifically you sound like you've been caught for the wrong reasons. You were uncomfortable earlier too.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:05 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.
why is alison a wolf besides voting u?

her argument is inherently flawed and shes using buzzwords with no basis.

can you find a single post of mine that displays anxiousness/frustration at all?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.

Hedging all over the place.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.

alison is not out of either range, i need to spot-check her take on you tbh which i may not be able to do til tomorrow cuz i'm getting tired

matt.. yeah i agree. he instantly seemed towny then his takes have confused me. GTH right now i'd still call him town but i think he needs the pressure

(so yes probably too easy)

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:58 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:57 pm Anyways I’m gonna stick in my town meta and dip
town: alison, doggo, tony

poe: rest

mafia is an easy game guys

.....what?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm**

Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:06 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:04 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:01 pmilario is town
alison/transcend?

or is that just too easy

thing is, if transcend is maf hes gotten pretty good at covering up his tone somehow in his hiatus. his entrance didnt feel awkward at all, which it normally does. his posting in the past few pages have trended down, but thats mostly cos i disagree with his reads.
Hedging all over the place.

hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm**

alison/ilario t/t

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm**

town: alison, doggo, ilario, tony

poe: rest

u 2 get along pls

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm**

damn i'm about to tr this entire table

who hasn't posted yet i will vote them

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm alison/ilario t/t

im really close to putting u in the townpile as well, if only for this thought

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:10 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 pm town: alison, doggo, ilario, tony

poe: rest

u 2 get along pls

smh i thought you tr me

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:10 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison

nope. and i tend to associate her extreme aggression towards my slot as more likely coming from town than not. but i really dont think shes trying to read me at all here and is more focussed on trying to find things to put labels to.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:11 pm**

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

tbh i know this guy has posted and i never tr him

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm**

ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:10 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
nope. and i tend to associate her extreme aggression towards my slot as more likely coming from town than not. but i really dont think shes trying to read me at all here and is more focussed on trying to find things to put labels to.

it reads like confbiased villager honestly

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison

Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum

u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum

u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?

lmaooooo where did i reject logic?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.

Not a buzzword. Every opinion you stated in the quoted post was qualified.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?

Because she didn't mean it.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm**

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?
Because she didn't mean it.

answering questions that aren't aimed at u is a pretty big scumtell

jsyk

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.
Not a buzzword. Every opinion you stated in the quoted post was qualified.

my very first post in the game was 4 reads. was that hedgey?

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?
lmaooooo where did i reject logic?

I explained to you why pretending like LC is lock town early on is something that is unsupported by actual evidence and that would only be done by wolves with TMI. You attempted to brush this off by explaining that at least one townie has done it. This is an illogical argument because proving that at least one townie has done something does not stop it from being >rand wolf. You have also not engaged with the actual logic underpinning the read.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?

i tend to read ilario based on his interactions with people

he gets scumread a lot more as town than as wolf. he's a very good wolf. he's good at looking real and being towny etc

if it seems like he's interacting with people in a sense that he's trying to solve their alignment and figure out what they're thinking etc he's usually town and i've seen this with multiple people this game. he's capable of imitating it as wolf but his focus as wolf is more narrow (like on one person rather than on everyone who doesn't TR him). so basically the way he's engaged with people thus far reads as villagery for him.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?
Because she didn't mean it.
answering questions that aren't aimed at u is a pretty big scumtell

jsyk

I've never heard of that.

However seriously scumreading a post that's a joke is a pretty big scumtell.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm**

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
ilario wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:08 pm hedging, another buzzword.

let me save you the time, you should probably accuse me of omgus, fencesitting and i think by that time you would have exhausted every generic read in the book lol.
Not a buzzword. Every opinion you stated in the quoted post was qualified.
my very first post in the game was 4 reads. was that hedgey?

No, which was why I didn't call it hedgey. I called another of your posts hedgey.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?

my thoughts weren't scumreads, i said i wasn't outing them cuz they were hedgy/useless

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm**

anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being

i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote

but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think

i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?
Because she didn't mean it.
answering questions that aren't aimed at u is a pretty big scumtell

jsyk

im p sure its just a Bradtell

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:17 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:14 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:13 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm ALSO his early line "i have two scumreads but i won't out them" is the exact kind of performative thing i'd say as scum
u literally said u had thoughts at the start of game but didn't out them as well. why is his post performative but urs wasn't?
Because she didn't mean it.
answering questions that aren't aimed at u is a pretty big scumtell

jsyk
im p sure its just a Bradtell

ok.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:17 pm**

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:15 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:12 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:07 pm Alison have you played with ilario before? I think this may be stylistic clash between you and him because this is how he's like as town imo

same with ilario on Alison
Suppose I accept that this level of emotional discomfort and rejection of logic is typical of him as town.

What has he done that's actually townie?
i tend to read ilario based on his interactions with people

he gets scumread a lot more as town than as wolf. he's a very good wolf. he's good at looking real and being towny etc

if it seems like he's interacting with people in a sense that he's trying to solve their alignment and figure out what they're thinking etc he's usually town and i've seen this with multiple people this game. he's capable of imitating it as wolf but his focus as wolf is more narrow (like on one person rather than on everyone who doesn't TR him). so basically the way he's engaged with people thus far reads as villagery for him.

Cool. I'll take this into consideration.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:18 pm**

alison what's your lime read right now?

interested to hear what you think, since u seem to be in agreeance with me that he's not out of scumrange yet.

Posted: **Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:19 pm**

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:16 pm anyways i don't rly tr lime and imma keep my vote here for the time being

i did entertain the thought of him possibly being tmi'd as town due to all the dissent for my vote

but he's still kinda scummy and he may just be in there deeper than ppl think

i also fos ender but i'm gonna try and not be a confbiased pos here just because i feel like i'm on to something

I can't tell if you're reading me here in good faith or not. You're saying that my vote on Illario was based off of bad reasoning, when what I've been saying IS true.

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