The Syndicate

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:37 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:34 am Joseph set up a "not serious, it's mind games" vibe. I guess mind games can be non-trolling, but it's easy to conclude that he's trolling when he's playing mind games.
Who's Joe?

Also how would Mac benefit from "trolling" ted? I don't see a world where Mac can gain from trolling another player.

Macdougall is Joseph.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:34 am Joseph set up a "not serious, it's mind games" vibe. I guess mind games can be non-trolling, but it's easy to conclude that he's trolling when he's playing mind games.
Who's Joe?

Also how would Mac benefit from "trolling" ted? I don't see a world where Mac can gain from trolling another player.

The benefits of trolling... I don't know, I think the troller would need to answer that one. I don't think I do much trolling here. Maybe on Facebook.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:41 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:39 am
BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:35 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:34 am Joseph set up a "not serious, it's mind games" vibe. I guess mind games can be non-trolling, but it's easy to conclude that he's trolling when he's playing mind games.
Who's Joe?

Also how would Mac benefit from "trolling" ted? I don't see a world where Mac can gain from trolling another player.
The benefits of trolling... I don't know, I think the troller would need to answer that one. I don't think I do much trolling here. Maybe on Facebook.

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't think people trolled in mafia games.

To finish my original thought. Ted discrediting Mac's suspicion is fine, but the way he did seemed weird. With that being said I don't think scum would just call somone a troll and dip.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am**

I expect to have a busy afternoon today and probably won't be around much until an hour or two pre-deadline. I think it has been a good Day 0/1, and I trust everyone to keep our heads on straight. I think right now we're in that natural stage of the process where a general POE pool has developed, and we explore the various people in it to figure out 1) if one is the clear best choice for a vote and 2) if there's cause to wonder about the validity of that POE pool. I think there have been a number of small points that have been or could be made in defense of consensus suspects, and it's healthy to have those dialogues. I am not yet at a point though where I feel like there's a need to overhaul my view of the game.

This feels to me like a situation where emotion-driven reads should be reigned in and controlled. Someone has to be mafia, and the bar should be higher than tiny singular moments of "could be town" for someone to earn staunch defense.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am**

I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:45 am**

For while I'm away: my current favored landing spots for my final vote are in this pile: [AL_sama, tedxtr, TonyStarkPrime]

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:46 am**

He lands on AL_sama, and ted OR Tony are a wolf.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:47 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 amI know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.

I'm catching up and making a catch-up post while keeping an eye on the current convo, but this caught my eye. What do you mean, you're 'not supposed to'?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:47 am**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.

I may well end up there. Vote movement is meaningless. Only the last vote matters.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:48 am**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.
I may well end up there. Vote movement is meaningless. Only the last vote matters.

If you have time can you quickly elaborate on TPS.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:49 am**

Strawhenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 amI know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.
I'm catching up and making a catch-up post while keeping an eye on the current convo, but this caught my eye. What do you mean, you're 'not supposed to'?

Related to light lectures I have received on teamwork and following the votes of people I townread... or not messing with the PoE maybe?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.
I may well end up there. Vote movement is meaningless. Only the last vote matters.

Vote movement is not meaningless. That's how you stay looking open-minded.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:51 am**

[VOTE: tutuu] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 pm**

We’re not chopping me today

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:06 pm**

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:04 pm We’re not chopping me today

Are you trying to pull the same Jedi mind trick that swayed you so easily? (I'm addressing that in my impending catch-up post.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:07 pm**

@Hally has replaced Tutuu. Please do not discuss replacements.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:09 pm**

come town read me hally

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:11 pm**

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:12 pm**

BoKnows wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:11 pm

Not again

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:15 pm**

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:17 pm**

sup friends

i have read absolutely nothing. someone cliffs me?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:18 pm**

also lol @ this already being 60 pages

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:21 pm**

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:23 pm**

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:39 am For what it's worth to Long Con: I think the frequency with which he receives suspicion is a product of two things above all else:

1) lower activity level -- it may be lame that this happens, but it's not surprising. When more and more players adopt a POE-styled approach, players who offer less material to interpret are going to be read with less confidence by default. It's inescapable. That's why some people seem to find themselves in POE pools every game. I'm sorry that happens, but I don't know what can be done about it on the part of the hunters.

2) Long Con has a way of inviting it as a self-fulfilling prophecy and causing snowball effects. I might as well not even try, because I'll just get read as mafia -- this is an anecdotal view based on some frustrating incidents where trying did result in suspicion. But in general, trying harder is going to result in greater trust. It's also inescapable.

I don't know if I'd call myself a POE-styled player, I switch my playstyle depending on the gamestate and I've definitely had games where I've tunnelled on one scumread or hardshielded one town to the exclusion of everything else. However, I would disagree that lower activity means automatic POE. I've gotten there on BK being town off just one or two posts before. In this very game, Michelle has less posts than LC yet she is being strongly townread.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:23 pm**

But yes if your response to being suspected is to give up and start lolcatting then you'll get suspected more. Not saying LC does this but it happens sometimes.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:24 pm**

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:45 am Yeah you're right that's actually quite a townie thing for mr sama

Why can't it be scum trying to stir up tinfoil on obvious strong town players?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:25 pm**

alright i’m just gonna start reading iso’s

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:25 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:09 am
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:04 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 10:02 am Youre fun to play mind games with.
in my head i actually thought this was an elaborate scheme to troll me because of that exact post with "you're fun to play games with"
It wasn't I just think you're lock mafia
i still think you're trolling

Now watch as Mac gets NKed and ted undermines his legacy read by claiming Mac's read on him was just a joke.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:26 pm**

who’s al_sama? do i know them?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:28 pm**

I do think ted had a scummy reaction to the "is Mac trolling me" thing but not because of what JJJ said, it's because of what I said earlier, he feels like he's trying to disarm Mac's read on him with a wink and a nod. It's like simultaneously trying to convince Mac "no way you could suspect me, that reason was so silly" while also setting up the foundation to discredit it after Mac dies.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I expect to have a busy afternoon today and probably won't be around much until an hour or two pre-deadline. I think it has been a good Day 0/1, and I trust everyone to keep our heads on straight. I think right now we're in that natural stage of the process where a general POE pool has developed, and we explore the various people in it to figure out 1) if one is the clear best choice for a vote and 2) if there's cause to wonder about the validity of that POE pool. I think there have been a number of small points that have been or could be made in defense of consensus suspects, and it's healthy to have those dialogues. I am not yet at a point though where I feel like there's a need to overhaul my view of the game.

This feels to me like a situation where emotion-driven reads should be reigned in and controlled. Someone has to be mafia, and the bar should be higher than tiny singular moments of "could be town" for someone to earn staunch defense.

Meanewhile is a very sensible post by Jay. I am amenable to this and I think a trustfall on all the POE suspects would be a good idea.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:28 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:26 pm who’s al_sama? do i know them?

Nope.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm**

i have determined that Mr. Mac Dougall is a VILLAGER and my reads are now his reads

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:32 pm**

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.

I disallow you from stirring up tinfoil about Jay because I think he's an IC right now. However you are welcome to scumhunt elsewhere. There are people in the POE besides Al and if Al doesn't suit your fancy you're more than welcome to case and vote some other player.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:32 pm**

@MacDougall tell me who to vote

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:33 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm i have determined that Mr. Mac Dougall is a VILLAGER and my reads are now his reads

Funny you should say that, because he has determined that I am a villager and his reads are now my reads, with the caveat that I am turbo'd if too many townies in a row get exed.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:33 pm**

Catch-up notes:

Spoiler: show

RAINBOW LIST
Strong Town:
Alison
JJJ
falcon
MacDougall

Town Lean:
Sloonei
Oddmerta

Town-Lean Lean:
Michelle
tedxtr
KZA
SPF
fingersplints
nanook

True Neutral:
Dom
Hally

Scum-Lean Lean:
Esooa
Long Con
JPIC

Scum Lean:
Marmot
BoKnows

Strong Scum:
AL_sama
TSP

TL;DR: TSP and AL_sama look bad. Notes in spoiler box, but quick version is they both lack conviction in different ways that each feel scummy. One of them will likely get my vote by EOD, and right now I'm leaning AL_sama out of the two.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:34 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:33 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:31 pm i have determined that Mr. Mac Dougall is a VILLAGER and my reads are now his reads
Funny you should say that, because he has determined that I am a villager and his reads are now my reads, with the caveat that I am turbo'd if too many townies in a row get exed.

alright then you can tell me who to vote too

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:34 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:15 pm

hello newcomb

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:35 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:34 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:15 pm
hello newcomb

i stole that gif from him. it’s too good

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 pm**

ted what are your reads? who da wolves? are you a villager? should i sheep you?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm**

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:32 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 11:44 am I feel like JJJ has been on and off the AL_sama vote several times today. He's off again now. Kind of feel like he's going to end up on AL_sama, and AL_sama will flip town, and it's how wolf JJJ would operate.

I know I'm not supposed to put suspicion on the players who aren't in PoE, or to say that a top scumread will flip town... I just had that thought when I saw AL_sama back to two votes.
I disallow you from stirring up tinfoil about Jay because I think he's an IC right now. However you are welcome to scumhunt elsewhere. There are people in the POE besides Al and if Al doesn't suit your fancy you're more than welcome to case and vote some other player.

@Strawhenge this is what I mean by "not supposed to".

I acknowledge your words, Alison, thank you.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm**

Wait, what's IC again?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm**

Implicit Civilian

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm**

wait mac is voting ted and therefore it’s my civic duty to also vote ted

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

what did you do this time?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 pm ted what are your reads? who da wolves? are you a villager? should i sheep you?

i only tryhard on syndicate in later days and i've barely read - not sheepable

i am a villager

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:38 pm**

[VOTE: fingersplints] aubergine

I will not be around much today. I feel vaguely interested in pursuing a fingersplints suspicion, but I won’t have time to see it through. I’ll try to dig up a few things for discussion’s sake.

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:39 pm**

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 pm ted what are your reads? who da wolves? are you a villager? should i sheep you?
i only tryhard on syndicate in later days and i've barely read - not sheepable

i am a villager

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:39 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm wait mac is voting ted and therefore it’s my civic duty to also vote ted

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

what did you do this time?

You can find much of that in the last couple of pages. Maybe search up "trolling" or "mind games".

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:39 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm wait mac is voting ted and therefore it’s my civic duty to also vote ted

[VOTE: ted] aubergine

what did you do this time?

probably slanking, since d1 yeets are always like that in here

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:40 pm**

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:39 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:37 pm
Hally wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:36 pm ted what are your reads? who da wolves? are you a villager? should i sheep you?
i only tryhard on syndicate in later days and i've barely read - not sheepable

i am a villager

Why?

Posted: **Wed Apr 07, 2021 12:40 pm**

hi guys
lowkey forgot i signed up for this game.
uhh i don't wanna catch up on 63 pages. :3

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