The Witcher Mafia [Game Over]

[DkKoba]

i think made is a lot more under the radar than i remember him being when i rolled scum against him.

i remember distinctly feeling like he was a pretty keystone slot in terms of having to appease.



like i know i have to look at this list of players and choose *5* (based on large game balancing with 21-24 players) to be scum most likely but its very hard


i think there is a traitor(or 2) who is messing up the gamestate vibes.

[RondoDimBuckle]

rondo completely dipped when i tried to get them to state a read on me btw - do you think that is towny, michelle?

ok I am soft blocking this spot for the rest of the day. No point interacting atm

[DkKoba]

also thinkingabout the people saying IC could be fake, that would be so strictly bastard i would not consider this game valid if it were to pass that mac was a fake scum IC. so I will play assuming that is not a possibility and vehemently push against that theory.

[RondoDimBuckle]

i see nobody has even read my tutuu comments...

i wouldn't be surprised if one of the people hyperposting since then was actually doing so to push my tutuu content under a mountain of shit

please refresh me

[RondoDimBuckle]

I have Rondo about 7/10 town. If he's mafia he's a lot better at this game than I gave him credit for.

rude again

[Syn]

I do not like Urist, Nanook, DkKoba, and Scotty

[Syn]

therefore I will not be voting with them

[Syn]

also don't think tutuu would patronize you mac if she's wolfing, there is no gain to antagonizing you in every interaction

[DkKoba]

I do not like Urist, Nanook, DkKoba, and Scotty

there is absolutely 0 world you think urist and I are partnered lol

[Syn]

[VOTE: scott toilet paper] aubergine

[Syn]

I do not like Urist, Nanook, DkKoba, and Scotty

there is absolutely 0 world you think urist and I are partnered lol

scum-reads are not inherently partnered, especially before any wolf flips on D2

but also

what exactly unpartners you two so dramatically there is "absolutely 0 world"

Urist has made like 3 posts and one of them is just "koba maf"

[Syn]

oh you're referring to him lamely asking for a mod kill because you said you had an action result

yeah no that's full of shit and pretty basement tier

[Made]

i think made is a lot more under the radar than i remember him being when i rolled scum against him.

I have a pocket slanky town meta I pull out every once and a while. This is one of those times. I don't think i'm needed yet, so no point in cluttering thread

[Michelle]

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112
2
11%
Voters: Epignosis, EnderWiggin
DkKoba
3
17%
Voters: Michelle, sig, falcon45ca
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
Epignosis
2
11%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, RondoDimBuckle
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Made
0
No votes
Voters: None
MasterRadishes
0
No votes
Voters: None
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
1
6%
Voters: tutuu
Poison
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Ruri
0
No votes
Voters: None
Scotty
2
11%
Voters: Syn, tedxtr
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
Syn
1
6%
Voters: Made
tedxtr
0
No votes
Voters: None
TonyStarkPrime
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
3
17%
Voters: DkKoba, Urist, MacDougall
Urist
0
No votes
Voters: None
No vote
0
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Voters: None
No Lynch
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No votes
Voters: None
Non (Host, mod, Spec, Dead, etc.)
4
22%
Voters: dunya, Lime Coke, sabie12, Justplayingitcool
Total votes: 18

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VC now

[Poison]

Good morning

[Ruri]

Hiya. Bookmarked at EOD and I must say.. Why did we move off Syn? Oh wait, it was due to IC. Wagon analysis, SMH.

[Poison]

13 pages SMH

[RondoDimBuckle]

Good morning

why did you poison Michelle?

[Ruri]

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

[Poison]

KZA has died.

Spoiler: show

They were Yennefer of Vengerberg: Lilac and Gooseberry Smelling Sorceress from Vengerberg

Michelle has been poisoned.

It is now day 2. You have 48 hours left.

HMMMM "YENNEFER" could have been a good PR, I think she was important in the story?

[Ruri]

Someone catch me up please~

[MacDougall]

also don't think tutuu would patronize you mac if she's wolfing, there is no gain to antagonizing you in every interaction

She is not. She is just disagreeing but otherwise being quite nice.

[Poison]

Good morning

why did you poison Michelle?

because my name is poison. :hiss:

[Ruri]

Hi, Poison. LOL

[Poison]

Someone catch me up please~

same tbh, 13 pages

[Michelle]

Morning Poison, @ me with your reads when you can pls

[Poison]

Morning Poison, @ me with your reads when you can pls

Yeah I'll probably need some time to catch up and rethink about a few players. I'll @ you for sure. Why do you think you are poisoned and which faction did it, according to you?

[Ruri]

So, I don't remember KZA and Michelle is poisoned. Mac is alive. Wolves probably avoided Mac. Michelle likely villa until further notice, though still in my TLs independently of poison. Considering IC steered the EOD, I guess Syn being alive might be NAI.. But it's also possible that wolves just followed the IC to save a W!Syn.

[Michelle]

Someone catch me up please~

I argued with Koba, he hard defend themselves by meta, playstyle and all, and i hard scum read them based on his posts. That is a big part of these pages.
We are in time out now because fmpov continuing this does not help much.

I will wait 24 hours to check my read.

Mac still suspects tutuu
Scotty popped up gave an easy TR to Koba for post count
Rondo feels villagery
I don't remember what Syn posted, my bad.

Made self meta-ing as well is

Ah and Epi suspected Koba as well. So is Falcon

There may be more, but this is from the top of my head

[Ruri]

mac is literally confirmed town - and yet you are going against his read on me.

and yet you're attacking me for not wanting to dialogue a townread.


cmon michelle you're better than that. i can deconstruct bad reasoning all day.

people are going against all my reads so who cares

what suggests tutuu is out of her townrange?

do you normally have the same reads on slots atp in the game?

If you saw a confirmed town mac, noted day 1 beast, would your approach to him be to push against almost every read he makes while patting him on the head telling him everything's gonna be alright?

Like the fact that she is still favouring her own feelings over mine heavily implies she has TMI. It's not that I have to be right, it's that she knows which reads I am wrong on and which I am right on and all of her activity/choices are influenced by that.

Hmm.. Wouldn't that be against the grain though? Or is it her meta?

[Ruri]

Someone catch me up please~

I argued with Koba, he hard defend themselves by meta, playstyle and all, and i hard scum read them based on his posts. That is a big part of these pages.
We are in time out now because fmpov continuing this does not help much.

I will wait 24 hours to check my read.

Mac still suspects tutuu
Scotty popped up gave an easy TR to Koba for post count
Rondo feels villagery
I don't remember what Syn posted, my bad.

Made self meta-ing as well is

Ah and Epi suspected Koba as well. So is Falcon

There may be more, but this is from the top of my head

Thanks.

[Michelle]

Morning Poison, @ me with your reads when you can pls

Yeah I'll probably need some time to catch up and rethink about a few players. I'll @ you for sure. Why do you think you are poisoned and which faction did it, according to you?

Idk, i don't speculate about this, is Wifom-y

[Ruri]

Also, I looked through tutuu's ISO and say I actually have no idea about her now, it's null. Must have misread ISO at first. Could be the site colors.

[Poison]

So, I don't remember KZA and Michelle is poisoned. Mac is alive. Wolves probably avoided Mac. Michelle likely villa until further notice, though still in my TLs independently of poison. Considering IC steered the EOD, I guess Syn being alive might be NAI.. But it's also possible that wolves just followed the IC to save a W!Syn.

Honestly yeah I don't see town!poisoner choosing Michelle over other scummy people tbh. That kinda makes me think Michelle is town. I think Mac not dying is normal here, and in a way helpful for us as well. Idk why but i have this weird feeling that syn is probably not a wolf, he didn't care enough to be a wolf. But I need to read the thread and ISO him.

[Ruri]

talking about bad reads but KZA was my top town the entire day

was definitely a gamer choice not to fire at me, someone wants to party

Hmm.. Maybe wolves know how you play.

[Ruri]

So, I don't remember KZA and Michelle is poisoned. Mac is alive. Wolves probably avoided Mac. Michelle likely villa until further notice, though still in my TLs independently of poison. Considering IC steered the EOD, I guess Syn being alive might be NAI.. But it's also possible that wolves just followed the IC to save a W!Syn.

Honestly yeah I don't see town!poisoner choosing Michelle over other scummy people tbh. That kinda makes me think Michelle is town. I think Mac not dying is normal here, and in a way helpful for us as well. Idk why but i have this weird feeling that syn is probably not a wolf, he didn't care enough to be a wolf. But I need to read the thread and ISO him.

Why not Michelle? Michelle did push Mac before the IC reveal IIRC.
Have you played with Syn as both alignments before? How can you be sure?

[Poison]

well anyway:

i think michelle is mafia and the poisoner is town-aligned so good job poisoner

let me write up the thing i was finna write

i also thing syn is town and there was nothing but town on town violence day 1, will also write up on that

that's quite bold to assume honestly, i think town poisoner would have a variety of choices over Michelle as per yesterdays' chaos.

i think that @Syn is town due to his lack of self-pres. i have played with both town and mafia syn. if he tryhards its a towntell for him. he can be low energy as either alignment. the thing is, he acknowledged that he is on the chopping block. he saw that he is a top wagon and said "maybe i should go read back". he was online 30 minds before eoD iirc (as in he posted itt). i believe that it is more likely that if he is mafia, he will put the extra effort for his team to leave a self-pres vote. thats how most people feel like, since if they are part of a mafia team on discord it feels more intimate. if you are town you dont know your teammates, you might as well be playing solo.

so i think that syn's complete lack of interest (also the "i just voted for the name closest to mine" stuff are too absurd to come from scum. i think he is town

@Syn i need ur help. the good old syn-tutuu one-two combo punch. like the good old times. i got some wolves in my sights but i cant kill them on my own. i need ur big dick energy

I actually have to agree that I have thought the same about certain things mentioned here and hence now i'm hesitating to hard scum read syn tbh.

Hm

[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

why @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

[Ruri]

also michelle i think partially i subconsiously think that a scum!you would just lolcat if you're confirmed condemmed or just push a pet scumread to death rather than try to sort people so there's that. a bad assumption but hey - reasonable to think who the fuck would try when they flip anyways.

Makes sense.

[Michelle]

The immobility of eod wagons before Mac started the CFD on Dya is concerning for me like they could be t/t wagons with wolves well parked on them, and they didn't want to switch between town wagons.

What @ everybody thinks about this?

[Poison]

So, I don't remember KZA and Michelle is poisoned. Mac is alive. Wolves probably avoided Mac. Michelle likely villa until further notice, though still in my TLs independently of poison. Considering IC steered the EOD, I guess Syn being alive might be NAI.. But it's also possible that wolves just followed the IC to save a W!Syn.

Honestly yeah I don't see town!poisoner choosing Michelle over other scummy people tbh. That kinda makes me think Michelle is town. I think Mac not dying is normal here, and in a way helpful for us as well. Idk why but i have this weird feeling that syn is probably not a wolf, he didn't care enough to be a wolf. But I need to read the thread and ISO him.

Why not Michelle? Michelle did push Mac before the IC reveal IIRC.
Have you played with Syn as both alignments before? How can you be sure?

push on mac before IC reveal is NAI for Michelle, we share the same homesite so i know that. Even if that was not the case, why would town choose Michelle over the obv scummy people like syn or scotty who were the talk of the day yesterday? I don't see no valid reason there.

I don't recall playing scum!syn, i have played town!syn but my read on him is not based on meta, because i remember no meta, it's just that i don't see a scum who was scum read for most of the day by almost the entire playlist, acting like the way he did tbh. I haven't read his eod properly yet so I won't comment with certainty here atm.

[MacDougall]

The immobility of eod wagons before Mac started the CFD on Dya is concerning for me like they could be t/t wagons with wolves well parked on them, and they didn't want to switch between town wagons.

What @ everybody thinks about this?

I was heavily micromanaging everything to get the wagons where they were. The mafia would have had very little choice in the wagons being the way that they were. So while hey may have been well parked on them, they don't have to necessarily be townwagons. The mafia could have been in a position where they were forced to split between wolf wagons. And then Dya becomes a possibility late and suddenly goes over leaving all the day 1 work in tatters tbh. That was just a mistake. One I tried to undo at the last minute but was too late to change my vote tbh.

[Ruri]

imma be real i would have to shoot tutuu n1 if im scum bc i would feel bad lying to her ;-;

What's this?

[MacDougall]

Also, I looked through tutuu's ISO and say I actually have no idea about her now, it's null. Must have misread ISO at first. Could be the site colors.

?

[Syn]

Someone catch me up please~

mfw you log on, read nothing, blindly vote me, and push sight unseen

[Ruri]

I'm someone you *need* to have experience with town!me to understand that premises on reading me are grossly incorrect if you are default scumreading me.

I am also a person who feeds into the ego of having to fight off any scumread on me so yeah.

Why am I scum holistically? Let me dissect it that way, Michelle.

Holistically you are scum because you share TMI reads, you had a very low impact day 1 and now you play overexplaining things about your play instead trying to solve

I don't want for you to be scum, that's a shade and i don't accept it. I provided serious arguments and of course you would not say i am right, isn't it?

I think you'll find those same kind of "TMI" reads in the towngames i linked.

In short - I am at least decent at this game and have found I can townhunt pretty well.

Did you consider that angle or am I just stupid in your eyes?

I sense a condescendent mindset at you and i am kind enough to ignore it.
I saw scum refusing any scum read for them before, that's a defence hard to put in practice because it requires effort, but is doable and effective.
If i am wrong in this moment, the 30th of August at 01:44 am, i will probably find you, but you doubted my capacity before even trying to understand me, and even put wrong ideas in my eyes.
What is the putpose of this post after all?

its me being annoyed at you being confbiased on something that is literally just my towngame. you could ask more useful questions like how i reached my townreads.


and i do give reasonings its just very hard to parse because im autistic and its stuff thats like not exactly verbal that i see usually

Howi is it your towngame?

[Ruri]

Also, I looked through tutuu's ISO and say I actually have no idea about her now, it's null. Must have misread ISO at first. Could be the site colors.

?

Checked ISO after EOD, didn't see solid content. Then I said their ISO read fine in general, IIRC. Wilgy pushed me for that, which is understandable in hindsight.

Not sure what her ISO looks like on D2 though.

[Poison]

Hot take: mac is mafia-aligned innocent child

Is that a thing?

Okay so during the night phase I’ve reached the conclusion that Axe was 100% targeted by mafia.

The more I consider roles and set up I just can’t see being burned as a civ thing. This does matter though since if it’s mafia we have to dissect why it could be them. And how much KP is still floating.

Poison is probably a vote deal if @Michelle wants to share that would be great. And I have to assume based off lore the other vig is a Witcher. Also probably have a jack of all trade floating around. Both of which would be civ in my view.


It could still be epi, but I’d not say we should clear or even consider it a civ move for epi to kill him.

For Mac, I’ve reached the conclusion you are a civ, but I do think you’re reads are a bit off and we just shouldn’t blindly sheep like some did last phase.

@sig explain the @bold please

i think that there is a high number of mafia in:

nanook

poison

michelle

master radish

koba

falcon

these 6 names avoided getting into scraps yesterday. they were laying low, they were just playing it cool. i think that people who's hands are clean during the day get bloody during the night. when the town is devouring itself it makes sense for you to chill out and let it happen

everyone else i can recall getting into some kind of confrontantion, and i also townread all of the people who were part of said confrontations, so that's how im pieceing the two ends together

would be great if you added a line or two about these players individually.

i’ve never played a game without role flips, i wonder if there’s an optimal way to organize stuff

should have just joined rej's game on AB. it's pain.

@MacDougall we are contacting you concerning your car's extended warranty

This is the second funniest thing in this thread.

Re Made: LMFAO

[Ruri]

imma be real i would have to shoot tutuu n1 if im scum bc i would feel bad lying to her ;-;

nah its cool iss just a game, if ur mafia do manipulate me all u can. i'd be honored to, it's like fencing u know. good competitive sportsmanship

if i gotta be honest, i scumread u more than im expressing, and im afraid to expess it coz im not the type to argue with my scumreads too much on why i think they're scum, and im afraid if u are town that u will be upset at me and also id be afraid if ur town that u'd feel antagonized by too much ppl

Is this how you usually play? Would like to know what you mean here.

[MacDougall]

mafia aligned innocent child ok

[MacDougall]

Also, I looked through tutuu's ISO and say I actually have no idea about her now, it's null. Must have misread ISO at first. Could be the site colors.

?

Checked ISO after EOD, didn't see solid content. Then I said their ISO read fine in general, IIRC. Wilgy pushed me for that, which is understandable in hindsight.

Not sure what her ISO looks like on D2 though.

How do the site colours change the words?