Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[EnderWiggin]

also i'm not sure why JJJ told me i'd fit into the syndicate well when my approach is reasonable and logical and everyone here is nothing like that but meh

This is an interesting way of calling us illogical.

[MacDougall]

like you're arguing i would've caught a bullet if my reads were right when me and alison had the same exact POE

What am I arguing sorry?

you made a sarcastic comment about me

I am just tilted by you blocking pushes by matter of factly stating people are town. I find it scummy by default.

She's defending her townreads, she does that all the time as town. She literally did that ALL throughout Anniversary game.

Tell me more about your Alexa read.

If I enter Final 3 with Alexa I snap vote the third person.

I'm that confident she's town.

I've made this read before, I've been right every time.

Are you less or more confident than you were on Honey in the previous game?

[alexa]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

[MacDougall]

The optimal thing for wolves to do here after killing Alison and leaving me alive would be to protect me and push on who I push wrongly (presuming that I invariably do). The longer I live the better for the wolves. So don't twist it up me dying is necessary here. Just let me solve without irritating me so that I can leave a good legacy.

[alexa]

The optimal thing for wolves to do here after killing Alison and leaving me alive would be to protect me and push on who I push wrongly (presuming that I invariably do). The longer I live the better for the wolves. So don't twist it up me dying is necessary here. Just let me solve without irritating me so that I can leave a good legacy.

so do you think im a wolf mac?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

I mean

I believed trans was town against peoples "extensive meta reads," and i was right about that

I don't see a good reason to think the extensive meta reads im seeing are any more likely to be accurate here

[alexa]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Basically I'm saying I'm just that good (sometimes)

[alexa]

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

[alexa]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

I mean

I believed trans was town against peoples "extensive meta reads," and i was right about that

I don't see a good reason to think the extensive meta reads im seeing are any more likely to be accurate here

i do not have extensive meta scumreads that are as confident as my meta townreads

i was back and forth on transcend all day

[MacDougall]

The optimal thing for wolves to do here after killing Alison and leaving me alive would be to protect me and push on who I push wrongly (presuming that I invariably do). The longer I live the better for the wolves. So don't twist it up me dying is necessary here. Just let me solve without irritating me so that I can leave a good legacy.

so do you think im a wolf mac?

Kinda.

[MacDougall]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

How so?

[MacDougall]

My agenda to die today and spew you town?

[EnderWiggin]

Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

Why were you not planning on speaking?

[MacDougall]

Mmm yes. Mac become level 0 woof.

[Lime Coke]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

[EnderWiggin]

Mmm yes. Mac become level 0 woof.

Respawn was hard on you.

[alexa]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

How so?

you're trying to setup a narrative that anyone not pushing on you is a wolf
when any villager would know that villagers try to read alignments and don't automatically push on people

it just... does not make sense from a villager perspective

like if you're a villager here you're a free ML for any wolf and v!you would know this, there's no one who would care to "save you for later" especially when you also stated that alison dying was to set up on you

the whole thing isn't a real thought

[MacDougall]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

How so?

you're trying to setup a narrative that anyone not pushing on you is a wolf
when any villager would know that villagers try to read alignments and don't automatically push on people

it just... does not make sense from a villager perspective

like if you're a villager here you're a free ML for any wolf and v!you would know this, there's no one who would care to "save you for later" especially when you also stated that alison dying was to set up on you

the whole thing isn't a real thought

so my scum agenda is to browbeat townies into killing me today?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

I mean

I believed trans was town against peoples "extensive meta reads," and i was right about that

I don't see a good reason to think the extensive meta reads im seeing are any more likely to be accurate here

i do not have extensive meta scumreads that are as confident as my meta townreads

i was back and forth on transcend all day

Ok? I wasn't and I was right. I don't see much reason to put your read over mine right now

[EnderWiggin]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

How so?

you're trying to setup a narrative that anyone not pushing on you is a wolf
when any villager would know that villagers try to read alignments and don't automatically push on people

it just... does not make sense from a villager perspective

like if you're a villager here you're a free ML for any wolf and v!you would know this, there's no one who would care to "save you for later" especially when you also stated that alison dying was to set up on you

the whole thing isn't a real thought

I think Mac is scum from yesterday.

But this is a real thought Mac would have.

[alexa]

if so then you can die

because that statement reeks of agenda

How so?

you're trying to setup a narrative that anyone not pushing on you is a wolf
when any villager would know that villagers try to read alignments and don't automatically push on people

it just... does not make sense from a villager perspective

like if you're a villager here you're a free ML for any wolf and v!you would know this, there's no one who would care to "save you for later" especially when you also stated that alison dying was to set up on you

the whole thing isn't a real thought

so my scum agenda is to browbeat townies into killing me today?

no?
your scum agenda is to paint people as wolves who aren't pushing to kill you
which is what you're trying to do with me

[alexa]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

I mean

I believed trans was town against peoples "extensive meta reads," and i was right about that

I don't see a good reason to think the extensive meta reads im seeing are any more likely to be accurate here

i do not have extensive meta scumreads that are as confident as my meta townreads

i was back and forth on transcend all day

Ok? I wasn't and I was right. I don't see much reason to put your read over mine right now

because my townread on ilario is much more confident than my scumread was on transcend?

[Wiml]

Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

That is very untrue. Information flipping hard POE locked slots is common and fine and just because I am being pragmatic about it doesn't mean it's not the correct play.

Do you think I am town now?

I think you're more likely than not a wolf, and I think you being this out of touch with the threadstare is wolfy in itself tbh, but I'm assuming you're town here for the sake of actual communication and in the case you are then aren't you literally just making the same arguments that Trans did about how it's pro town for you to flip today because you're perma-PoEed?

I shouldn't have to explain to you that this isn't how mountainous works. I'm pissed enough as it is that yesterday turned into a policy vote fiasco without dealing with this as well.

[MacDougall]

When wolves make plays like they made in killing Alison n1 when she has bad reads it isn't so they can just snap onto her bad reads. It's so they can spend the rest of the game soft defending the victim of her misread to look good and use that person as a meatshield as long as they can. They only actually press the kill button when they have to. I am more valuable alive for the wolves than dead. I know what I am talking about.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

im killing nanook

he has not outed a single reason ilario is scum

transcend (a flipped villager with extensive meta on ilario) called ilario town

there is no way this man playing his first game with ilario genuinely believes ilario is scum against multiple peoples extensive meta reads

that in addition to what mac said about alison, in a world mac is town nanook is always scum

I mean

I believed trans was town against peoples "extensive meta reads," and i was right about that

I don't see a good reason to think the extensive meta reads im seeing are any more likely to be accurate here

i do not have extensive meta scumreads that are as confident as my meta townreads

i was back and forth on transcend all day

Ok? I wasn't and I was right. I don't see much reason to put your read over mine right now

because my townread on ilario is much more confident than my scumread was on transcend?

So don't vote him then, lol

I don't really care tbh he's in my poe

[MacDougall]

Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

That is very untrue. Information flipping hard POE locked slots is common and fine and just because I am being pragmatic about it doesn't mean it's not the correct play.

Do you think I am town now?

I think you're more likely than not a wolf, and I think you being this out of touch with the threadstare is wolfy in itself tbh, but I'm assuming you're town here for the sake of actual communication and in the case you are then aren't you literally just making the same arguments that Trans did about how it's pro town for you to flip today because you're perma-PoEed?

I shouldn't have to explain to you that this isn't how mountainous works. I'm pissed enough as it is that yesterday turned into a policy vote fiasco without dealing with this as well.

What does out of touch with the threadstate mean and how does what I am saying make me that?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Anyways im gonna be out of thread for awhile so this would be a good chance for you to call me frozen

[Lime Coke]

What am I arguing sorry?

you made a sarcastic comment about me

I am just tilted by you blocking pushes by matter of factly stating people are town. I find it scummy by default.

She's defending her townreads, she does that all the time as town. She literally did that ALL throughout Anniversary game.

Tell me more about your Alexa read.

If I enter Final 3 with Alexa I snap vote the third person.

I'm that confident she's town.

I've made this read before, I've been right every time.

Are you less or more confident than you were on Honey in the previous game?

Is this an actual question?

I was scum last game and Honey was town, soooooo pretty much had TMI.


I'm always going to be way more confident that I can read Alexa (Or at least find her town ) better than I can read Honey. I've had at least above 10 games with Alexa and I've been right every time.

[MacDougall]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Controversial take defending the top town from the POE guy.

[MacDougall]

you made a sarcastic comment about me

I am just tilted by you blocking pushes by matter of factly stating people are town. I find it scummy by default.

She's defending her townreads, she does that all the time as town. She literally did that ALL throughout Anniversary game.

Tell me more about your Alexa read.

If I enter Final 3 with Alexa I snap vote the third person.

I'm that confident she's town.

I've made this read before, I've been right every time.

Are you less or more confident than you were on Honey in the previous game?

Is this an actual question?

I was scum last game and Honey was town, soooooo pretty much had TMI.


I'm always going to be way more confident that I can read Alexa (Or at least find her town ) better than I can read Honey. I've had at least above 10 games with Alexa and I've been right every time.

Oh yeah you were scum there sorry I forgot.

[Wiml]

Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

Why were you not planning on speaking?

I don't want to talk to people today sorry.

It's not anything to worry about I just can't stand to talk to people after being in a podcast for an hour lol. It was like social torture and you can probably tell how ratty I am already.

[Lime Coke]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Controversial take defending the top town from the POE guy.

You're going after her. I'm reinforcing her being town.

[alexa]

Like your death is only a foregone conclusion if you insist it is

I think the town have a better chance of winning with the information that I am town even if it means worse numbers. This game doesn't need a wolf pelt on day 2 for town to win it I don't think.

I wasn't planning on speaking today but this is wrong abd bad and if you're saying this as town then you're honestly no better than how Transcend was playing yesterday when you threatened to blacklist him if I were a wolf lol.

Why were you not planning on speaking?

I don't want to talk to people today sorry.

It's not anything to worry about I just can't stand to talk to people after being in a podcast for an hour lol. It was like social torture and you can probably tell how ratty I am already.

omg i need to watch this

also *hugs* i'm sorry soft turtle

[MacDougall]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Controversial take defending the top town from the POE guy.

You're going after her. I'm reinforcing her being town.

Hardly. I am just not letting her skate by. In my position that is the correct thing to be doing.

[EnderWiggin]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: wiml] aubergine

[MacDougall]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

[Lime Coke]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Controversial take defending the top town from the POE guy.

You're going after her. I'm reinforcing her being town.

Hardly. I am just not letting her skate by. In my position that is the correct thing to be doing.

I'm just not letting obvious town be added to the POE.

Town loses that way.

[alexa]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

[EnderWiggin]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

Mac. What did I ever do to you for you to tunnel me every game.

[Esooa]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

it'd be nice if you read what I said about him earlier and responded

I think you should understand it more than anyone so your opinion on it is who's the most valuable to me

[EnderWiggin]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

[Esooa]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

it'd be nice if you read what I said about him earlier and responded

I think you should understand it more than anyone so your opinion on it is whose is the most valuable to me

[MacDougall]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

Mac. What did I ever do to you for you to tunnel me every game.

Be good at mafia. Sorta pseudo slank. Never exit your mafia range. Tinfoil me every game?

[EnderWiggin]

I feel bad voting for Wiml after his post earlier. I can understand social draining.

[alexa]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

i probably phrased that wrong but what i mean is i'm very aware of how i am as town and will try my best to imitate it when i'm wolf (while eliminating the parts that aren't townread)

[Lime Coke]

Things that Town!Alexa does.

1. Demand certain people townread her or get into people's faces if they scumread her, example being me, Ilario, others she's friends with. Alexa doesn't do this as scum because she doesn't like embarrassing her friends over a game.

2. Throw her vote around constantly throughout the day. This is harder to keep track of because MS has the polls, but Alexa has told everyone EVERY time Alexa switched her vote. She sees something she doesn't like, she votes it.

3. Hard shield her townreads. When Alexa gets a townread she's confident on, she'll defend it and lodge that read into people's heads.

She goes crazy over pressure which she did early Day 1 when people weren't outing townreads on her.

Option A. w/w
Option B. Alexa breaking town meta for this game (Unlikely)
Option C. LC is pocketing
Option D. Two town and LC has meta.

In all honestly Option C or D is the most likely.

And this is coming a lot more like an Option D situation here.

i don't intentionally have town meta
i play optimally regardless of my alignment

it happens he is right because when i'm wolf i have no reason to shield people (i will usually pick like one slot to pocket and shield but he's right that i'm much more A to B play)

Intentional doesn't matter when facts exist.

Point in case: Reliable town-meta

Point in case: LC appears to be very familiar with it.

@Lime Coke Have you seen her wolf much?

Not really.

Her most recent wolf game (MCM, I'm not counting DM) I wasn't in.

I've never actually read people's past games. If I learn people's meta as either alignment I have to experience it throughout a full game.

[alexa]

(and also while making sure not to buss partners without purpose etcetc)

[MacDougall]

I still think the mafia is wiml/enderwiggin and my d1 poe was good tbh.

it'd be nice if you read what I said about him earlier and responded

I think you should understand it more than anyone so your opinion on it is whose is the most valuable to me

My opinion is that it is a good read and makes me feel better about you and also wiml being a wolf.