The Syndicate

S~V~S - Pluheeze ansuh muh kwushtion.

Deeeerp.

@JJJ

Nutellas tone sounded genuine and like a cornered civ to me. Her thoughts reminded me of how I sometimes feel when Im cornered as a civ. It resonated with me and I got fooled In my head, she was an easy target for either misguided civs or cylons to pursue as she was already kind-of scrambling and barely any of her rebuttals gained her any ground. But oh well, she was bad in the end and I was wrong.

I will probably be voting for Long Con today.

Unless he actually is confirmed town, but I find that hard to believe.

a2thezebra wrote:Unless he actually is confirmed town, but I find that hard to believe.

He might be. What makes you hesitate to believe it?

Glorfindel wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.

Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.

Yeah, I've got to agree with 3J here. I'm Town, I now believe that I was wrong about LC, I am pretty confident Sig is Town and I've not observed any reason to suspect JaggedJimmy. You, however are a different case as that last sentence is one of the most stark cases of the pot calling the kettle black I've witnessed in a very long time...

What about sig's posts do you like?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Unless he actually is confirmed town, but I find that hard to believe.

He might be. What makes you hesitate to believe it?

The underlined. If someone is almost confirmed town but not quite, that usually means it's a setup.

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Unless he actually is confirmed town, but I find that hard to believe.

He might be. What makes you hesitate to believe it?

The underlined. If someone is almost confirmed town but not quite, that usually means it's a setup.

What makes you think he is "almost" confirmed town?

You just admitted it by using the word "might". Someone is either confirmed or they're not, if there's any room for doubt then the word "confirmed" becomes meaningless.

a2thezebra wrote:You just admitted it by using the word "might". Someone is either confirmed or they're not, if there's any room for doubt then the word "confirmed" becomes meaningless.

No I didn't. I don't think he's remotely confirmed. I don't know what that word is happening right now. Why are you talking about the potential that Long Con is or isn't a confirmed townie?

Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

a2thezebra wrote:Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

Which question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

Which question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

Which previous question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

Which question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

Which previous question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

You're clearly bad. Good talk.

I'm calling a sortie in just over an hour. I am thinking D3. Does anyone have any suggestions?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

Which question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

Which previous question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

You're clearly bad. Good talk.

You're either bad or you suck at reading me or both. I literally (yes, literally) wouldn't even think to do the above if I was bad.

Also lol at you asking "which question" when I could've only been referring to one question.

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why did you wait that long to ask that question?

Which question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

Which previous question?

I am here right now asking you things right now. Answer my previous question please.

You're clearly bad. Good talk.

You're either bad or you suck at reading me or both. I literally (yes, literally) wouldn't even think to do the above if I was bad.

Also lol at you asking "which question" when I could've only been referring to one question.

I've asked you numerous questions on this page, I literally don't know which one you mean. I also asked you a question that you've now discarded twice in favor of pretending I'm the one avoiding questions.

Pretending? You literally didn't answer. You're the one that pretended not to know which one I was referring to.

If you ask someone five or six questions and after you ask the last one the person you're asking asks you why it took you that long to ask it, which question do you think the person you're asking would be referring to? Never mind that the very question about the question clearly indicates which question is being referred to by the nature of the question itself.

a2thezebra wrote:Pretending? You literally didn't answer. You're the one that pretended not to know which one I was referring to.

If you ask someone five or six questions and after you ask the last one the person you're asking asks you why it took you that long to ask it, which question do you think the person you're asking would be referring to? Never mind that the very question about the question clearly indicates which question is being referred to by the nature of the question itself.

I was once accused of pretzel logic in this game. Allow me to give you the pretzel trophy. You deserve it more.

I'm going to assume based on this response that you were referring to this question:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:Why are you talking about the potential that Long Con is or isn't a confirmed townie?

I asked that last because I think I might already know the answer, and I had the opportunity to corner you before getting there. I don't think it makes any sense for you to be discussing Long Con as if there's any potential he's confirmed, and it's my task to squeeze your mindset out of you.

Now answer my question:

Why are you talking about the potential that Long Con is or isn't a confirmed townie?

Why do you think?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

SokothQultuq wrote:Interesting suspicions.

So far I'm somewhat convinced based on what I've seen and observed of people that I feel
Glorfindel
Long Con
Sig
JaggedJimmyJay
might fit into the baddie department based on some of the conversations that have been had. Some are more willing to help than others. Avoid certain subjects or knee jerk on some.

Could you please explain all of these reads individually? I'd like to know why you find all four of these names suspicious independent of one another, beyond the blanket sentences you've provided at the bottom here.

Yeah, I've got to agree with 3J here. I'm Town, I now believe that I was wrong about LC, I am pretty confident Sig is Town and I've not observed any reason to suspect JaggedJimmy. You, however are a different case as that last sentence is one of the most stark cases of the pot calling the kettle black I've witnessed in a very long time...

What about sig's posts do you like?

I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.

a2thezebra wrote:Why do you think?

I'm not handing you that. You're terrified of this question.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why do you think?

I'm not handing you that. You're terrified of this question.

Yes, terrified that I'll be mislynched because of your arrogance.

a2thezebra wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

a2thezebra wrote:Why do you think?

I'm not handing you that. You're terrified of this question.

Yes, terrified that I'll be mislynched because of your arrogance.

Instead of concerning yourself with some unfounded perception of my personality, maybe you could answer the question?

No. I want to see you become even more convinced that I'm bad because I'm not bowing down before you.

a2thezebra wrote:No. I want to see you become even more convinced that I'm bad because I'm not bowing down before you.

You don't know what my read is on you. I don't need your bows. I need your answer.

Why do you need it?

a2thezebra wrote:Why do you need it?

Because it will help me to determine the sincerity or insincerity of your comment.

Glorfindel wrote:What about sig's posts do you like?

I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.[/quote]

Could you please share an example of one of sig's posts that you feel fits this description?

I don't think he's going to answer me folks. Clearly it's because he's terrified of my question and is therefore bad. Also, you don't know my read of him. That's all. Thank you for coming.

linki - There it is! Yeah, I'm not comfortable revealing how sincere I am with any of this. Sorry.

EBWOP

Glorfindel wrote:I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.

Could you please share an example of one of sig's posts that you feel fits this description?

I mean given that you've been openly insincere throughout this back-and-forth, that's only fair.

a2thezebra wrote:I mean given that you've been openly insincere throughout this back-and-forth, that's only fair.

I have been insincere in this back and forth. I did pretend to read you as "obviously bad". You're not ignorant to why I might do that. You're indignant about my strategy, associating it with my personality exterior to Mafia, and seemingly pouting about it instead of having a meaningful dialogue with me. If you're town, that's a frustrating thing. If you're not, it's very easy to see why you'd behave that way.

I have to try to figure you out. I have methods I like to employ. They're actually quite similar to your own play style, or at least the kind of play you exhibited in Talking Heads. I don't understand why you continue to get so cranky about it, but whatever. Mafia.

If you're frustrated then you're in good company.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:EBWOP

Glorfindel wrote:I didn't actually say that I 'liked' his posts my friend LOL! The thing is, I've played enough games with him now at this site and others to have a pretty good sense of when he's good and when he's not. He did make some comments early on that piqued my interest but they were (in my assessment) indicative of a 'disconnection' with much of the discussion that had been going on here. Sig has made no secret of the fact of his heavy study/assignment workload at the moment which I am willing to accept as a genuine explanation for those comments.

Could you please share an example of one of sig's posts that you feel fits this description?

So Say We All!

LOL! I got you the first time my friend. Sure, no dramas... This is one example of what I meant...

sig wrote:Also @LC I don't see how I'm a cylon for not wanting to just send out the only two civ pilots to die without any thought. Which is what it seemed like was happening at first.

It just seems that he would come in after something of an extended absence and make remarks like this about issues which by that stage of the discussion (in my opinion) seem to have been done and dusted. I'm not saying his comments were wrong or anything but perhaps more pertinent had he been on earlier to make them.

I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.

So say we all, right.

So Say We All!

I'd also like to clarify a reference that I'd made in an earlier post. I no longer have any confidence in the assertion that species is a determining factor in Mafia/Town alignment. It is my personal view that the Mafia Team is a combination of Humans and Cyclons and the premise that the Mafia team is all Cylon (or even predominantly so) is a myth perpetuated by players with other agendas. Whether Nutella was truly Mafia, I don't know that we can be certain (although I'll admit it's a distinct possibility and would be confirmed if a BTSC link can be proven). Any reads that I make from this point forward will be in terms of whether I consider a player to be either Town or Mafia or a leaning toward either. I don't believe that species is relevant or indicative of alignment and the continued focus on species alone may be our undoing in the long run.

Ugh, I fell asleep. Sorry y'all, please move up the schedule to xx:56.

Golden, D3 please.

Glorfindel wrote:I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.

I don't really doubt your opinion, no. At least not its sincerity. I am a little suspicious of sig for his interactions with nutella.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.

I don't really doubt your opinion, no. At least not its sincerity. I am a little suspicious of sig for his interactions with nutella.

So Say We All!
May I call you Jimmy? 3J seems a little impersonal... Looking at his interactions with Nutella kinda proves my point. Take this post:

sig wrote:Okay so I'm considering three people for today.

LC...
Zebra...
Epi, He is an outed Cylon and with the ship gone I'd like to see if we can lynch him and how he will flip. If he flips mafia then we know most cylons are bad. I also think he could've been the one to kill Ika, seeing how Ika was pushing to lynch Epi again. So I'm leaning towards mafia on Epi.

So here is a thought, in past games civs or mafia members could create events, usually polls but I've seen events before. Could there be no resurrection ship and this is all a ploy created by the cylons?
Maybe Epi just had a lynch proof power or something?

I don't see the reasons for a nutella lynch or for Rico.

We already know Epi is a Cylon and his identity, what more information is he expecting to gain from lynching him As for his assertion that the whole resurrection ship thing was a ploy created by the Cylons To me, this is indicative of someone struggling to keep up as a consequence of external factors, not Mafia alignment.

As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

Nope. Vompatti confirmed me civilian.

Hi, on the road.

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

My apologies for having voted for you last Day phase LC. Whilst I do think you are Town, I'm also fairly certain that you are wrong about Sig and Jimmy and I suspect even Ricochet. I won't be voting for you or any of them come EoD.

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

I might have missed it, but how do we know that you are confimed civ?

Glorfindel wrote:

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

My apologies for having voted for you last Day phase LC. Whilst I do think you are Town, I'm also fairly certain that you are wrong about Sig and Jimmy and I suspect even Ricochet. I won't be voting for you or any of them come EoD.

Apology accepted - just don't let it happen again. I worked hard to achieve Confirmed Civ status, and I don't need any loose ends upsetting my reign of terror!

EBWOP: That should read "upsetting my humble work for the good humans of Galactica".

Nerolunar wrote:

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

I might have missed it, but how do we know that you are confimed civ?

Sshhhh.... best not to call too much attention to it.

Glorfindel wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Glorfindel wrote:I notice reading back, that there were some exchanges between the two of you - do you doubt my opinion of him? Despite those exchanges, I don't consider either of to be Mafia.

I don't really doubt your opinion, no. At least not its sincerity. I am a little suspicious of sig for his interactions with nutella.

So Say We All!
May I call you Jimmy? 3J seems a little impersonal... Looking at his interactions with Nutella kinda proves my point. Take this post:

sig wrote:Okay so I'm considering three people for today.

LC...
Zebra...
Epi, He is an outed Cylon and with the ship gone I'd like to see if we can lynch him and how he will flip. If he flips mafia then we know most cylons are bad. I also think he could've been the one to kill Ika, seeing how Ika was pushing to lynch Epi again. So I'm leaning towards mafia on Epi.

So here is a thought, in past games civs or mafia members could create events, usually polls but I've seen events before. Could there be no resurrection ship and this is all a ploy created by the cylons?
Maybe Epi just had a lynch proof power or something?

I don't see the reasons for a nutella lynch or for Rico.

We already know Epi is a Cylon and his identity, what more information is he expecting to gain from lynching him As for his assertion that the whole resurrection ship thing was a ploy created by the Cylons To me, this is indicative of someone struggling to keep up as a consequence of external factors, not Mafia alignment.

Yes, but we didn't know what alignment Epi was. At that time since nobody else was lynched I thought we'd see who was bad. For the record I'm still not agaisnt an Epi lynch. Also it could've been a ploy created by the cylons to distract us like a troll event. :P
But, that is neither here nor there anymore.

Long Con wrote:As the resident Confirmed Civ, I still think sig is bad. Rico, sig, JJJ... all bad.

I'm not bad you're bad.

Did anyone get anything from that back and forth between Zebra and JJJ? Since it seemed like 3J was pinged by Zebra saying LC was almost confirmed town, and then they got in an argument about a question?

Furthermore why is LC close to confirmed at all? People are saying he was the counterwagon to Nutella, however how do we know they weren't teammates? I just find it very odd LC wouldn't vote to save himself unless they were on the same team, or if he knew the resurrection ship would bring him back.

Also I'm done the second draft of my paper if all goes well it will be the last draft and my activity should hopefully pick up this week.

I will call you Sigbad like the fellow Sinbad from the old sailor tales.

So say we all

(just in case since I have been gone since yesterday)

Last minute BBQ went longer than it should have, and drunk Mafia is bad mafia.

Catch up time

Linki LC is NOT confirmed.