Assassin's Creed Mafia (OVER!)

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@TonyStarkPrime to be clear:

Do you simply affirm that "yes, tonight I want to kill Karen"

Or do you have to name a player and hope that the player happens to be Karen?

The former

In a few words at least, tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

[Funnygurl555]

your main power being the ability to kill one person on and odd night seems... at least for a game as role heavy as this, kinda weak

[Funnygurl555]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

you're gonna have to explain this one man

[JaggedJimmyJay]

your main power being the ability to kill one person on and odd night seems... at least for a game as role heavy as this, kinda weak

I think it sounds incredibly powerful.

It either A) ruins the civilian numbers in one go or B) eliminates a mafioso with no questions asked

The swing potential of such a thing is immense. The design doesn't make sense to me if A) is even possible though.

[Sloonei]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

you're gonna have to explain this one man

Tony kills civilian Desmond + Mafia team kill = Game over

[TonyStarkPrime]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

note that the only way this can be stopped if I’m scum is by lynching me over Epi.

[ts account]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

you're gonna have to explain this one man

It is currently 4:3. After today, it will be 4:2. If Desmond is both town and not the wolf kill, two townies die (2:2).
TonyStarkPrime asking people to character claim is in fact explicitly anti town, as far as I can tell.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

[Funnygurl555]

i keep forgetting that kills are actually really important due to our lylo situation lol

[JaggedJimmyJay]

"Here, your special role in this game that you get to use once has no purpose except to lose you the game."

[ts account]

This game just got difficult.

[Sloonei]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

He has secondary abilities that provide him some utility in the event that he chooses not to kill Desmond.

Why does mafia tony make this convoluted claim?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Tony's right that his role, if mafia-aligned, also comes with implications that don't make sense.

Which means to me the role claim is bullshit.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@TonyStarkPrime to be clear:

Do you simply affirm that "yes, tonight I want to kill Karen"

Or do you have to name a player and hope that the player happens to be Karen?

The former

In a few words at least, tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

No one voted to save him day 1. Epi and Turnip treated the lynch as if they didn’t care. Maybe vote manipulation or some clever scum willing to risk it, and LC didn’t vote to save himself so if he had teammates they’d hardly be expected to do it, but can you imagine if a scum member were lynched or nearly lynched with not a single mafia member on him or the counter lynch? That only happens if the top two options are town.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

He has secondary abilities that provide him some utility in the event that he chooses not to kill Desmond.

Why does mafia tony make this convoluted claim?

[mention]TonyStarkPrime[/mention] confirm or deny secondary abilities.

POE was tightening around him. He is from HCRealms, where convoluted claims are a way of life.

[ts account]

To me it reads like a fake claim from a player with a lack of understanding of the current game state and other claimed powers, but... There is always that bothersome "why?"

[TonyStarkPrime]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

He has secondary abilities that provide him some utility in the event that he chooses not to kill Desmond.

Why does mafia tony make this convoluted claim?

@TonyStarkPrime confirm or deny secondary abilities.

POE was tightening around him. He is from HCRealms, where convoluted claims are a way of life.

Confirm existence of.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Without actually claiming your roles, I have a general question:

Does anyone else out there have a role that made them question how it can even make mechanical sense -- i.e. even using it would potentially screw you?

[Funnygurl555]

To me it reads like a fake claim from a player with a lack of understanding of the current game state and other claimed powers, but... There is always that bothersome "why?"

especially after epi got wrecked from a fake claim

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

[ts account]

Without actually claiming your roles, I have a general question:

Does anyone else out there have a role that made them question how it can even make mechanical sense -- i.e. even using it would potentially screw you?

Not exactly, but my role is exceptionally underwhelming, to the point where I do not really understand what purpose it has.

[Sloonei]

Without actually claiming your roles, I have a general question:

Does anyone else out there have a role that made them question how it can even make mechanical sense -- i.e. even using it would potentially screw you?

I have a role that makes sense to me.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

[Sloonei]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

Yes and I maintain this didn’t happen.

[Funnygurl555]

could you tell us your secondary abilities tsp?

[Funnygurl555]

or at least tell us what you did n1 if you didn't try to kill

[ts account]

could you tell us your secondary abilities tsp?

Yes. At this point, trying to hide the rest of your role will not help town prepare in the night.

JJJ- do you think it is time for a massclaim, then? Given... all this.

[TonyStarkPrime]

could you tell us your secondary abilities tsp?

no

[TonyStarkPrime]

or at least tell us what you did n1 if you didn't try to kill

nothing.

[TonyStarkPrime]

could you tell us your secondary abilities tsp?

Yes. At this point, trying to hide the rest of your role will not help town prepare in the night.

JJJ- do you think it is time for a massclaim, then? Given... all this.

No

[nutella]

your main power being the ability to kill one person on and odd night seems... at least for a game as role heavy as this, kinda weak

I think it sounds incredibly powerful.

It either A) ruins the civilian numbers in one go or B) eliminates a mafioso with no questions asked

The swing potential of such a thing is immense. The design doesn't make sense to me if A) is even possible though.

Yeah this is wack

[Sloonei]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

Yes and I maintain this didn’t happen.

Why?

[nutella]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

note that the only way this can be stopped if I’m scum is by lynching me over Epi.

uh
hm

[Sloonei]

Tony's entire presence here runs contrary to so much else that I almost have to believe him.

[ts account]

Note that, if Desmond is town, wolves achieve parity.

note that the only way this can be stopped if I’m scum is by lynching me over Epi.

uh
hm

Unfortunately after thinking about this I think we are still forced to lynch Epignosis today.

[speedchuck]

Liar. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.

[nutella]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

it doesn't. Something isn't adding up and it's because Tony is mafia. But he's right, if he is, we are fucked if we don't lynch him today lol. But we can't do that unless we come to absolute certainty that he is scum.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Liar. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.

Why is he a liar?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Someone tell me how Tony's claimed role makes any sense whatsoever for a civilian if Desmond is also a civilian -- especially in a 9 vs. 4 game

it doesn't. Something isn't adding up and it's because Tony is mafia. But he's right, if he is, we are fucked if we don't lynch him today lol. But we can't do that unless we come to absolute certainty that he is scum.

I have doubts that the claim is even true, so that threat rings hollow.

[ts account]

I have doubts that the claim is even true, so that threat rings hollow.

It is even possible that Epignosis is the scum with the second kill, and Tony is outting to save them. There is too much uncertainty around Tony to comfortably lynch them instead of Epignosis.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Confirm existence of.

At this point I think you're going to need to expand.

I’ve hinted to it. It’s underwhelming. As to your previous question, I’ll point out that Mac had a Vig shot that could only hit people with pirate ships, something which is currently looking to be very limited (and thus far solely town).

but if mac was killed on a night that he also killed then we know at least one mafia member must have a ship.

trust me i did too much research into this.

Yes and I maintain this didn’t happen.

Why?

1) Mac thinks he’s getting killed night 1, he made sure of it. He used the power that night. How do we know? Largely we don’t, but it’s agreed that that makes more sense. It’s quite possible that Epi targeted him with an additional kill that night and failed, or just tried to block him. Epi also needs a reason to lie about his night 1 action. Maybe it’s so he can get counterclaimed by his teammate to secure an easy win, maybe it’s because he had more nefarious purposes. If Mac didn’t use the power it’s agreed he got very paranoid night 2 after being in BTSC with Ted for a day, which is almost confirmed. Then scum would have had to get lucky enough to target him with a pirate ship kill — and on current proportions it’s unlikely they have more than one— and he would have had to turned on someone in his towncore for no real reason.

[Funnygurl555]

Liar. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.

ooh spicy

[nutella]

Tony's entire presence here runs contrary to so much else that I almost have to believe him.

Yeah I kinda feel this despite myself. But again, if he's town I feel like Desmond has to be mafia which as Jay said is a free kill and he should use it, but if there is any chance at all Desmond is town he shouldn't use it because it just loses the game (unless mafia target the same person)... which is so silly.

[nutella]

Liar. [VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Sorry I can't be around today. I'll try for better tomorrow.

Please give us something more than this

[TonyStarkPrime]

It makes far more sense that mafia has a second kill power, something which I’d voiced suspicion of early because I am aware that there exists a fair amount of kills in this game.

[nutella]

I have doubts that the claim is even true, so that threat rings hollow.

It is even possible that Epignosis is the scum with the second kill, and Tony is outting to save them. There is too much uncertainty around Tony to comfortably lynch them instead of Epignosis.

That's a thought.

Speed countering this is very interesting since until now I thought the two were scum together. Now it very much looks like a dichotomy. MORE INFORMATION IS REQUIRED BEEP BOOP

[TonyStarkPrime]

Speed... didn’t actually vote for me?

[TonyStarkPrime]

I’m disappointed actually

[nutella]

In a vacuum/based on reads and thread contribution rather than any claiming related shit, I would absolutely name Speed as scum rather than Tony if I had to pick one. But I need speed to provide more context.