The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:12 amMaybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

You people know this. You know I'm more consistent and pushy as scum then town. I may have ruined my whole meta with Pirates mafia, and that's rather upsetting. But Pirates was still me being more pushy and consistent that this game.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:22 am @Epignosis didn't you say you're voting for Jay? It doesn't look like you've voted in the poll

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:22 am What the heck is going on here

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:12 amMaybe if someone had engaged me on it it would have gone somewhere. Maybe if I were scum I would have been more confident and tried to push harder for your lynch.

I was pushed as a suspect by Sloonei Epignosis and cbob to some extent, and I think maybe one other person... A bunch of people said I looked bad, maybe not because of the thing you said, but I feel like that might have been a good opportunity.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am what does this mean?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:23 am Welp. In view of my legacy, I'll have you know that this is the strongest town game I can handle when there are 3k posts and 93% of the game is still alive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:27 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am what does this mean?

If I am to be suspected for the inconsistency in my handling of Mesk, and that the suspicion is rooted in her lack of posts during that period of inconsistency -- that means the remaining explanation exists in the posts that were in place before the inconsistency. There was a time that existed wherein I gave Mesk a GTH good read based upon what I recalled of her content in the moment of the exercise. There was a separate time that existed wherein I looked at Mesks posts again and decided I didn't like them. This last notion is being ignored in Jack's accusation.

in other words

can't*

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:23 am I was not demanding that you be consistent. You keep using that word, as if I care that you were inconsistent. I don't. I care more about why you were. Your turnaround against Mesk in favor of Dom came with no substantive reasoning. Rather than challenge people's votes for Mesk (which were weak), you...bought what they were selling?

Sorry- it doesn't add up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:26 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

define "civilian value". Also explain why you justified your mesk vote by arguing that her posts lacked "utility".

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:30 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:24 am Also: an absence of posts does have no civilian value. No shit.

The presence of posts with no civilian value is an actual cause for suspicion. Posts that do nothing are more suspicious than nothing that does nothing.

No. I don't agree, and I don't think you truly believe this.

It is insanely easy to create posts that look useful, especially early on.

When you called Mesk good, what was it in her posts that gave you that perspective? And why did you decide so very late in the Day that her posts had "no civilian value?" She had no new posts.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:33 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Same case I had when I went to bad 48 hours ago.

Speaking of...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:34 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:33 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:32 am I moved my vote to Epignosis because his case rejects common sense.

Same case I had when I went to bad 48 hours ago.

Speaking of...

I said "bad."

I meant "bed."

I'm getting lynched now, aren't I?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:33 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:14 am does anyone feel like they can confidently say they have any idea what's going on in this game?

So much so.

Losing confidence in you, Sloon.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am If I do end up dead, a few parting words:

~ Any civilians who helped to kill me -- it's alright. I don't blame you. I understand that I have been a different player in this game and that is inherently going to generate suspicion. I'm over it.

~ Second, the activity level in this game has been fantastic to this point. The best thing the civilians can do moving forward is to maintain that through the finish. Do not let this game thread stagnate. That is the single best way to let a mafia team get comfortable.

~ Epi and Jack are full of shit right now. Press them on it when I'm gone. I'd also list Wilgy as a premier suspect.

~ My top town reads are Sloonei, dunya, and Quin.

~ I think speedchuck and malakim handled themselves well in this day phase, particularly toward the end. I'm less thrilled with Long Con.

~ Please at least give my ISOs a look, their primary value is as legacy and that's the whole point.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:46 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:43 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:41 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:40 am

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:38 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:36 am Perhaps the most convincing point to me that my vote is currently in the right place is this: I fundamentally disagree with Jay on Mesk. That never happens. Sometimes we pull different interpretations out of things. But I don't remember the last time when we were both town and he presented a case that I thought was flat out wrong and misguided. I feel that way when he justifies voting for Mesk.

She didn't offer a whole lot of reads, sure. She was also a new player in a foreign land where all of us are scorching the thread with our posts. She couldn't keep up. No one blames her for that. when I looked at her posts, even when she was alive, I saw a player who wanted to be involved and make a name for herself, but simply could not at no fault of her own. I don't buy this "no civilian value" argument, I don't buy that her posts had no utility. They served the function of Mesk trying to engage herself with the thread. That's the first step every civilian has to take.

I fundamentally disagree with you but that isn't particularly shocking to me.

what's your best argument for jay being town?

Got none. Epi's case just sucks.

what sucks about it?

It rejects common sense.

How so?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:40 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:11 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:02 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:35 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:33 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:26 pm I feel my thoughts are very much in sync with DDL.

I am hesitant to vote Jay with him, but "I like this Jack more than Day 1" Jack sums up my exact feelings.

What about voting Malakim with me?

I can't promise to not swap later.

*Malakim*

Hey wilgy why were you willing to follow DDL onto malakim?

I wanted to see if something would happen.

Like what?

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:06 am Oh fuck im so sorry... i totally forgot about this game for a moment... so not used to using another site

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 4:11 am jeezlouise, so much to catch up on.... y'all been writing up a storm... hmmm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:10 am What is worse for me is that 3J elected to vote Mesk over Dom because...Mesk had more to say? That's shit, and 3J should know it's shit.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:56 am It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:52 am Also, Malakim's reaction to DDL and I was pretty intense.

Interesting really. I don't know how to interpret such a harsh reaction followed by No U. I guess we'll see.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:56 am It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:56 am It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

I mean it's 11pm for me and I don't have a job, are you guys just wrecking your sleep schedules?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 3:07 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:57 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 2:56 am It's actually absurd how much EOD shenanigans have taken place in this game considering it's like 2AM or later for most of you.

like i said, no one has any idea what's going on.

I mean it's 11pm for me and I don't have a job, are you guys just wrecking your sleep schedules?