The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:50 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:44 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:30 am Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:44 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:19 pm Eh fuck it. I'll respect Mac's read that it could be Aro W and Wisp V.

As well as the fact that all of dyachei + Ender + Alison + Mac + SPF thinks that Aro is howling which means this is as close to an actual red check as it is possible to be.

[VOTE: Arogame] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 7:20 pm No more vote switches after this, I have a reputation to maintain.

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

This feels more towny than scummy tho

no it doesnt. she clearly would have had to thought about alisons role a good deal on d1 for her to come to the conclusion that alison is mech cleared for her role. i highly doubt she just forgets alisons claim like that given the amount of thought she implies she had given the claim in the first quote.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:30 am Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:57 pm Second, related thing bad town do that pisses me off, rep "godreads" on slots that could fool them in a heartbeat.

So you read Ilario right two times in the last cpl months. You do not have a godread. Not even if you caught Ilario a mafia.

See, the thing is that Ilario (or insert any competent player) does not play games to fool you, Mr or Mrs. Shit Town, they play games to win for their wincon. But eventually comes a time in a game where pocketing you, actually helps their wincon, and you are shit at the game, and they are exceedingly self aware (the trait that makes the biggest difference between good and bad mafia players) so they know exactly why you read them the way they do. You think they're town because they use fullstops, or some dumb shit. So they use fullstops. Now you, Dumb Fuck, are out here townreading the deepwolf and yelling at people who are suspicious of them for hard wolfsiding correctly. You are THE moron.

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:54 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:50 pm

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:44 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:42 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 06, 2022 6:18 am

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Nov 05, 2022 12:30 am Illario is literally just a god and tilted aro into both outing that he is mafia and outing that he is tilted that Illario called out both mafia. There for Wisp is also mafia. Nanook is spewed town for saying there's one in Wisp Alison because it would spotlight his partner for no reason. Rondo is the 4th mafia for reasons described above.

Game is solved. Let's go home.

I think I will note being out a super secret read that will be difficult to explain without breaking the rules lol

Okay. I have mech reason to simultaneously believe that Alison is both being truthful about at least parts of their role and that they are town. But at the same time I feel like parts of how they brought about explaining their role felt like a direct violation of the things I know. But by and large I think it is mechanically more likely that Alison is town than scum.

I also suck at mech so I've been holding onto this.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 6:44 pm

Ppl who played the last game Alison was mafia in should know this is outing.

What was Alison's exact claim again?

this exists btw.

This feels more towny than scummy tho

no it doesnt. she clearly would have had to thought about alisons role a good deal on d1 for her to come to the conclusion that alison is mech cleared for her role. i highly doubt she just forgets alisons claim like that given the amount of thought she implies she had given the claim in the first quote.

why would someone be mech cleared for their role, it would depend on how they use it
the claim itself was townie, but then someone said its irrelevant because they have done this before
as for what they could have done with it, we wont know since Nanook voted them

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:57 pm Second, related thing bad town do that pisses me off, rep "godreads" on slots that could fool them in a heartbeat.

So you read Ilario right two times in the last cpl months. You do not have a godread. Not even if you caught Ilario a mafia.

See, the thing is that Ilario (or insert any competent player) does not play games to fool you, Mr or Mrs. Shit Town, they play games to win for their wincon. But eventually comes a time in a game where pocketing you, actually helps their wincon, and you are shit at the game, and they are exceedingly self aware (the trait that makes the biggest difference between good and bad mafia players) so they know exactly why you read them the way they do. You think they're town because they use fullstops, or some dumb shit. So they use fullstops. Now you, Dumb Fuck, are out here townreading the deepwolf and yelling at people who are suspicious of them for hard wolfsiding correctly. You are THE moron.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:58 pm thats not the point, the point is that its nonsense for neon to act coy around alisons claim when they should know what is better than anyone given that neon was willing to clear alison on it d1

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am Fourth thing bad town do... rep meta based on FUCK ALL GAMES

You do not have a meta read on me if you have played mafia with me 2 times. You do not understand the range of a player until you have seen them as both alignments multiple MULTIPLE times. Your meta read is bogus. DOn't argue with me.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am @Alison can u gimme a scumgame of yours thats recent that u didnt play on an alt

@EnderWiggin @Chamomile whats ur thoughts on each other? can you both reconcile to me why ur on the alison wagon when the slot u most vehemontly wnted to kill on d1 (each other) is also lazily parked on that wagon?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am 1) Mac should write an article
2) Neon claimed a green check on me btw voting me is griefing

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am 1) Mac should write an article
2) Neon claimed a green check on me btw voting me is griefing

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:03 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am 1) Mac should write an article
2) Neon claimed a green check on me btw voting me is griefing

they claimed a green check on you yet simultaneously forgot what ur claim is.

Millium wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:04 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:01 am 1) Mac should write an article
2) Neon claimed a green check on me btw voting me is griefing

except its not realistically possible to have that or they think they did and didn't read the OP
or they were just making it all up

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm also for the record I targeted Santy and Lily just in case anyone thought i did anything to Tilg, of which they can both confirm
I highly suggest they dont claim what they got if they choose to accept the gift
the items are all pretty good except for the random redirect which is more -ev than anything

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:04 am I think the issue and why we clash is that we sort through stuff in the game in really different approaches so clashing is natural?

But thats why I also think talking through stuff and discussing specially becauself the difference in views is GOATed in finding the mafia tbh

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:05 am

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm also for the record I targeted Santy and Lily just in case anyone thought i did anything to Tilg, of which they can both confirm
I highly suggest they dont claim what they got if they choose to accept the gift
the items are all pretty good except for the random redirect which is more -ev than anything

You can send more than one gift in a night?

Why didn't you send me one!??! After all I did to save you!

Why do you think someone would think you did something to Tilg!? Please quote this post when you respond because often you don't quote who you are responding to and I don't know who you are responding to!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:04 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm @dyachei assuming that you are town that pushed Arogame. How would you expect the wolves to handle the opportunity that was presented to eliminate Arogame on day 1 generally? Do you think that they are more likely to exhibit TMI and ensure they are on the right side of the miselim by voting elsewhere and opposing the chop, or do you think that it is more likely that they would capitalise on our willingness to kill someone that strong on day 1 and be part of the wagon?

If the answer is player dependent, can you take a look at the wagon and tell me who on it is of the wolf mindset to take advantage in that way?

I dont think of arogame as a mafia god so I'm not sure why I would assume mafia would go all out to elim aro. like I don't think of them as a super strong player. so the premise is off?

Arogame's reputation in this playerlist is of a strong player with good reads. He had very recently subbed in to a game on MU that a lot of people here were playing in, and near single handedly recovered an unrecoverable game, and his town performances on Syndicate have been largely revered. So humour the idea that the wolves would feel like killing Arogame was a very large win for me.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 am @Neon fullclaim your mech on me, no funny business

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:04 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm @dyachei assuming that you are town that pushed Arogame. How would you expect the wolves to handle the opportunity that was presented to eliminate Arogame on day 1 generally? Do you think that they are more likely to exhibit TMI and ensure they are on the right side of the miselim by voting elsewhere and opposing the chop, or do you think that it is more likely that they would capitalise on our willingness to kill someone that strong on day 1 and be part of the wagon?

If the answer is player dependent, can you take a look at the wagon and tell me who on it is of the wolf mindset to take advantage in that way?

I dont think of arogame as a mafia god so I'm not sure why I would assume mafia would go all out to elim aro. like I don't think of them as a super strong player. so the premise is off?

Arogame's reputation in this playerlist is of a strong player with good reads. He had very recently subbed in to a game on MU that a lot of people here were playing in, and near single handedly recovered an unrecoverable game, and his town performances on Syndicate have been largely revered. So humour the idea that the wolves would feel like killing Arogame was a very large win for me.

i agree aro is very solid. that being said i dont think its a consensus opinion to have that (just yet). you have probably paid more attention to aro in recent times than other players here. this seems like wolfy mediating im doing, but its not. i just want to get across the point others may not be as threatened about aro as you think, and thats not because aro isnt good, its because they just havent seen him as much as you have.

santygrass wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:06 am

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:05 am

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:55 pm also for the record I targeted Santy and Lily just in case anyone thought i did anything to Tilg, of which they can both confirm
I highly suggest they dont claim what they got if they choose to accept the gift
the items are all pretty good except for the random redirect which is more -ev than anything

You can send more than one gift in a night?

Why didn't you send me one!??! After all I did to save you!

Why do you think someone would think you did something to Tilg!? Please quote this post when you respond because often you don't quote who you are responding to and I don't know who you are responding to!

You lack the charisma tbh

@Chamomile case Allison for me. I beg of thee

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:09 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:05 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:05 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 7:03 pm Man macs 180 on aro is really bad in conjunction with trying to push dya and me with the spf kill

mac 180'd on aro? as in he tr'd aro and then sr'd him, or vice versa?

well he spent the entire early game advocating for an aro tell in which if aro is getting piled on by the lobby hes more likely town (which is probs a correct tell), he also wanted to keep aro because aro makes good content.

and then once everyone started to dogpile on aro he joined in harder than anyone despite his own logic earlier in the game should have been leading him to the different conclusion. i also think he was trying really hard to signal boost alisons reads near eod which would look bad in a world where both aro and wisp are both

@mac since u are obsessed with trying to catch out santy and aro for making tmi reads if ur town here u should probably look at d1 because porchas posts have been decent today but i defs got the feeling certain slots were tmi'ing her town on d1 when i read over

Who do you thin kmade that?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:10 am The archetypal bad town.

Step 1 - Find all the better players than me and townread them immediately because they did not alignment indicative things that you think are town for them.
Step 2 - Scream at everyone who suspects them. Omgus on their behalf.
Step 3 - Go into a blind rage tunnel when someone suspects you for playing the game like a pre-schooler.
Step 4 - Blame them when they decide you have to die for playing like an idiot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:11 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:04 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 9:56 pm @dyachei assuming that you are town that pushed Arogame. How would you expect the wolves to handle the opportunity that was presented to eliminate Arogame on day 1 generally? Do you think that they are more likely to exhibit TMI and ensure they are on the right side of the miselim by voting elsewhere and opposing the chop, or do you think that it is more likely that they would capitalise on our willingness to kill someone that strong on day 1 and be part of the wagon?

If the answer is player dependent, can you take a look at the wagon and tell me who on it is of the wolf mindset to take advantage in that way?

I dont think of arogame as a mafia god so I'm not sure why I would assume mafia would go all out to elim aro. like I don't think of them as a super strong player. so the premise is off?

Arogame's reputation in this playerlist is of a strong player with good reads. He had very recently subbed in to a game on MU that a lot of people here were playing in, and near single handedly recovered an unrecoverable game, and his town performances on Syndicate have been largely revered. So humour the idea that the wolves would feel like killing Arogame was a very large win for me.

i agree aro is very solid. that being said i dont think its a consensus opinion to have that (just yet). you have probably paid more attention to aro in recent times than other players here. this seems like wolfy mediating im doing, but its not. i just want to get across the point others may not be as threatened about aro as you think, and thats not because aro isnt good, its because they just havent seen him as much as you have.

What's the point of this when all I was attempting to do was get dyachei to check and analyse whether players on Arogame's wagon might have wolf-like motivation? You're arguing for no real reason. Pick better things to talk about.

Chamomile wrote: ↑Tue Nov 08, 2022 12:12 am -Switching votes based on thread state rather than following her own reads.
-Not really trying to find scum in a nuanced way. Kind of obvious she has TMI based on what I've seen from her in Cats vs Dogs where I was very afraid of her because of how she would pick at every little thing.
-Didn't put me in the vig hit list when she supposedly thinks I'm scum. Even if she doesn't think I'm mafia but rather 3P WHY WOULD SHE NOT VIG ME WITH ONE OF HER THREE VIG SHOTS!!!
-Obviously killed SPF out of fear.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 11:13 pm @Lilypetal you need to come back to the thread and put things in order tbh

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:15 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:07 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 07, 2022 10:05 pm porchas posts have been decent today

people keep saying this, how so?

seems like theyre trying to solve, reaction to mac seems town

@ilario you think that if Tilg is a wolf both Millium and Porscha are also town? Like, their attitide in EoD to me seemed like hesitant to take a side? If it makes sense so I want to know your take on that