The Flash: Battle for the Gem Cities (Day 12)

[Marmot]

6AM: The signal of Central City's local TV station is hacked into and the following message is displayed on the network for approximately 5 minutes before being shut down.

"Hello everyone, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Anyway, I've talked to various people over the past few days (both NPCs and players alike), and I can say with certainty that our friendly neighborhood spy is no longer with us. In addition, his not so friendly relative from the same realm/universe might be gone too. Happy lynching!"

Well that means we've got two Detectives among us.

[Long Con]

The tied lynch... you lost it...

[Marmot]

The tied lynch... you lost it...

I don't know who won or lost that lynch. All I know is I didn't die, nor did timmer.

[Marmot]

I've got a pretty good idea of what the message is saying. What about you guys?

[Long Con]

I've got a pretty good idea of what the message is saying. What about you guys?

It is crystal clear to me, like an unmuddied, reflective lake.

[FZ.]

OMG, first, I knew it!! I was right about the detectives trying to lay low!

But sadly, I a lot slower when it comes to the message. Does it mean Timmer is lying? I didn't get the two roles that were discussed in the message

[Long Con]

OMG, first, I knew it!! I was right about the detectives trying to lay low!

But sadly, I a lot slower when it comes to the message. Does it mean Timmer is lying? I didn't get the two roles that were discussed in the message

It means that Timmer is lying. Timmer must be a New Rogue. And he's off the damn poll today!

[FZ.]

I know someone who can end the day early... but it will be night. Question is, is there another NR that we can lynch here.

[Long Con]

I really don't want to make a mistake and lynch someone who is not a New Rogue. The margins are too thin.

[Marmot]

Mirror Master – A mercenary who has access to the Mirror Realm. He can spy on a player during odd nights.

Plunder – A marksman from the Mirror Universe. He kills on even nights.

I believe these are the two referenced roles.

@FZ: I don't know how you feel about everyone, but my opinion is that you, Sophie, and Bass are not New Rogues. I have no clue about Devin or BR. I am 100% on timmer being New Rogue, and suspect that Long Con is either a New Rogue, or in league with them.

[FZ.]

So you think the WW should end the day early?

[FZ.]

Oh, okay. Thanks MM. What's your opinion on ending the day early?

[Marmot]

Oh, okay. Thanks MM. What's your opinion on ending the day early?

That would be pretty nice, and Wally West gets to kill tonight, so he could go after his top suspect, and we could see where we stand tomorrow.

Or, we could lynch me today.

[Marmot]

Actually, I would rather lynch Long Con today. I don't understand why he put his vote on me just now, after it was on Sophie.

[timmer]

With 8 players left, I'd guess we've got:

2 Old Rogues
1 or 2 Detectives
2 or 3 New Rogues
2 or 3 Indies

How many Old Rogues again?

Two.

[Long Con]

MM, I am not a New Rogue. Please don't do this. Let me offer an alternate solution.

Pied Piper – A part-time Rogue who’s going undercover to help Wally and Barry. He cannot be lynched unless Wally is dead. He is given information every night by an informant that may be true or false. Each day, he can post a message about his findings.

We need to put the votes on YOU, Metalmarsh... end the day then, and start the night, where Wally can kill Timmer (or at least attempt to, given that he may be Girder). If that doesn't end the game, then we can move on to another lynch and sniff out the last New Rogue. If the kill fails, then Timmer is Girder and we lynch him.

The only kill left in the game is Wally's. We don't have to be so brash, I want to see this endgame very badly, please don't execute me. You don't need me dead to win.

Linki: oh.. so you already thought of that plan.

[Long Con]

Actually, I would rather lynch Long Con today. I don't understand why he put his vote on me just now, after it was on Sophie.

Because you won't die.

[timmer]

6AM: The signal of Central City's local TV station is hacked into and the following message is displayed on the network for approximately 5 minutes before being shut down.

"Hello everyone, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Anyway, I've talked to various people over the past few days (both NPCs and players alike), and I can say with certainty that our friendly neighborhood spy is no longer with us. In addition, his not so friendly relative from the same realm/universe might be gone too. Happy lynching!"

This is just simply wrong.

[Marmot]

MM, I am not a New Rogue. Please don't do this. Let me offer an alternate solution.

Pied Piper – A part-time Rogue who’s going undercover to help Wally and Barry. He cannot be lynched unless Wally is dead. He is given information every night by an informant that may be true or false. Each day, he can post a message about his findings.

We need to put the votes on YOU, Metalmarsh... end the day then, and start the night, where Wally can kill Timmer (or at least attempt to, given that he may be Girder). If that doesn't end the game, then we can move on to another lynch and sniff out the last New Rogue. If the kill fails, then Timmer is Girder and we lynch him.

The only kill left in the game is Wally's. We don't have to be so brash, I want to see this endgame very badly, please don't execute me. You don't need me dead to win.

Linki: oh.. so you already thought of that plan.

I did, and you voted before you stated the plan I expected you to state, so I thought I'd toss a vote your way again. :P

[FZ.]

MM, how sure are you, given that the information could be true or false?

[Long Con]

Again? You tossed that vote before any of this started today.

Is it a good plan?

[Marmot]

6AM: The signal of Central City's local TV station is hacked into and the following message is displayed on the network for approximately 5 minutes before being shut down.

"Hello everyone, it's been a while. Sorry I haven't been in touch. Anyway, I've talked to various people over the past few days (both NPCs and players alike), and I can say with certainty that our friendly neighborhood spy is no longer with us. In addition, his not so friendly relative from the same realm/universe might be gone too. Happy lynching!"

This is just simply wrong.

I hate looking at things as absolute, but I just see no possible scenario right now where you are not a New Rogue.

[timmer]

Spoiler: show

OMG, first, I knew it!! I was right about the detectives trying to lay low!

But sadly, I a lot slower when it comes to the message. Does it mean Timmer is lying? I didn't get the two roles that were discussed in the message

It means that Timmer is lying. Timmer must be a New Rogue. And he's off the damn poll today!

You have followed the bouncing ball for too long to suddenly think I'm lying. There is no way I could know SVS had used her night power on the wrong night unless I'm exactly who I've alluded to being. You know this. Pied Piper says he is certain, but the info he gets is NOT certain.

[timmer]

Then how t the FUCK did I know svs had done her action on the wrong night, MM? Which New Rogue does that? You are fucking WRONG.

[Long Con]

Spoiler: show

OMG, first, I knew it!! I was right about the detectives trying to lay low!

But sadly, I a lot slower when it comes to the message. Does it mean Timmer is lying? I didn't get the two roles that were discussed in the message

It means that Timmer is lying. Timmer must be a New Rogue. And he's off the damn poll today!

You have followed the bouncing ball for too long to suddenly think I'm lying. There is no way I could know SVS had used her night power on the wrong night unless I'm exactly who I've alluded to being. You know this. Pied Piper says he is certain, but the info he gets is NOT certain.

Spoiler Alert!

You could have gained that info through an item instead.

[Marmot]

MM, how sure are you, given that the information could be true or false?

Look, I feel like I'm pushing the boundaries pretty far right now as far as rules go, so I will not answer this question. But considering the Pied Piper is pretty much Pro-Old Rogue, I think he is worth trusting.

[Long Con]

MM, how sure are you, given that the information could be true or false?

Look, I feel like I'm pushing the boundaries pretty far right now as far as rules go, so I will not answer this question. But considering the Pied Piper is pretty much Pro-Old Rogue, I think he is worth trusting.

The Piper or Wally may have simply found the Mirror Master's body. That is not subject to True-False shenanigans.

[timmer]

Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?

[Marmot]

Then how t the FUCK did I know svs had done her action on the wrong night, MM? Which New Rogue does that? You are fucking WRONG.

That is a mighty good question that I am not privy to the answer.

[Long Con]

Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?

I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.

[timmer]

Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?

I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.

But only once. Read through my posts, LC, for the whole game. Look at how many times I suddenly changed gears on someone, or asked someone very specific questions. Why did I wonder what Devin thought of TH for a time, for instance. Argh, fuck it. I'm going to bed before I rip my tablet apart.

[Marmot]

Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?

I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.

You know what I just realized? This might have something to do with that night you and I were drfunking mafia. I stated where a gravestone was located here, and even suggested whose it might be here.

I never did get to check out that grave, I got whisked away before I could move there. But based on when it appeared, it had to be either DFaraday's or fingersplints'.

[Marmot]

Sophie s been gunning for me, youve been gunning for me, but the evidence is right in from of you. I called svs or for using her night action on the wrong night. No new rogue can do that. Find me one.

LC, you think there is an item that tela you someone was using a night action ? If I am bad, why did I fought so hard to get answers out of MR about it? I was the one trying to SAVE her. Some big master long con... long con?

I've seen an item that can teleport, an item that can protect, an item that alter lynches, an item that can render you undetectable, and more. It's pretty reasonable to think there's an item that lets you spy as well.

But only once. Read through my posts, LC, for the whole game. Look at how many times I suddenly changed gears on someone, or asked someone very specific questions. Why did I wonder what Devin thought of TH for a time, for instance. Argh, fuck it. I'm going to bed before I rip my tablet apart.

What makes you say an item can only be used once?

[Long Con]

I need to go to bed too. Please don't kill me in my sleep just because Timmer isn't available. Just give me the benefit of the doubt here. I have had no way to 'signal' people or show what my role is or prove it. My power is weaksauce, I took a chance on some map BTSC with rabbit, but otherwise I have met up with nobody. I don't want to get default-killed just because I haven't roleclaimed, that's bullshit. I'm not a New Rogue.

Let's pick this up after a night's sleep. Please.

Linki: That was an awesome night. Items from dead players reflect the players' role ability, I have discovered that. And there are items that can be used repeatedly, and items that can be used once. I can definitely confirm that fact.

[FZ.]

Timmer sounds genuine to me. I don't know what to do. He has evidence that others don't. I don't know what to think of LC. It's easy to claim and independent role.

PP's information could have been wrong. It says so. I don't know how much of his information has been true and how much false. I don't know what kind of information he gets.

Then there's Bass, BR and Devin. BR went after TH, but I don't know which NR had BTSC, so I don't know how much it counts. Then there is Bass, who is allegedly and independent, and Devin, who we have no idea who he is.

Is there a role who's practically vanilla at night? Because Devin said he didn't have any power at night (I think that's what he said) when I said that the kills started again after the replacements came in.


linki: If it can be used repeatedly, that may change things, but doesn't Timmer sound genuine to you?

[Long Con]

Everyone sounds genuine to me. What do you think of making this a No-Lynch, letting Wally do his thing tonight, and picking it back up tomorrow when everyone is on the lynch poll?

[Marmot]

I need to go to bed too. Please don't kill me in my sleep just because Timmer isn't available. Just give me the benefit of the doubt here. I have had no way to 'signal' people or show what my role is or prove it. My power is weaksauce, I took a chance on some map BTSC with rabbit, but otherwise I have met up with nobody. I don't want to get default-killed just because I haven't roleclaimed, that's bullshit. I'm not a New Rogue.

Let's pick this up after a night's sleep. Please.

Linki: That was an awesome night. Items from dead players reflect the players' role ability, I have discovered that. And there are items that can be used repeatedly, and items that can be used once. I can definitely confirm that fact.

I think we should try to lynch somebody today if we can (and I apologize if it ends up being you). Day 3, Day 6, and Day 9 had shenanigans along with them, so Day 12 might also.

And also, the longer we push things back, the better chance the New Rogues have of moving and gathering more items.

I need help rereading Devin tomorrow, because he deserves a look at least.

[FZ.]

I'm afraid of items like a one time NK and stuff like that

[FZ.]

Devin could be the Folder man

[Marmot]

Devin could be the Folder man

He had BTSC with llama though. Can the Folded Man do that?

Otherwise, BR is the only living player that has not claimed BTSC with someone.

[Marmot]

I really need to go to bed. I'm starting to nod off here.

Good night.

[Long Con]

I just looked back at Day 8, and the Timmer-TH interactions are a good read. This is just after TH tried to kill Girder and failed, or so the "crunching steel" and non-death in the nightpost leads us to believe. I think TH may have tried to kill Timmer for distancing, and discovered to his surprise that he was a fellow New Rogue.

Day 11 already has shenanigans for the lynch. I don't know if it's on a three-day schedule.

Good night.

[FZ.]

Good night guys. Enjoy your sleep while I work all day. :P

[timmer]

I just looked back at Day 8, and the Timmer-TH interactions are a good read. This is just after TH tried to kill Girder and failed, or so the "crunching steel" and non-death in the nightpost leads us to believe. I think TH may have tried to kill Timmer for distancing, and discovered to his surprise that he was a fellow New Rogue.

Day 11 already has shenanigans for the lynch. I don't know if it's on a three-day schedule.

Good night.

Holy shit, Long Con! I'm so glad I checked back in, you've given me the answer, it was right in front of me the whole time! im gooing to ask you to read that day one more time! I was so blind sided by THs role that I never put two and two together. Read my posts from that day again!

Votes DEVIN!!!

[FZ.]

You mean this post?

Hmm... you know what the problem is with this game? There is too much going on behind the scenes and not enough in the thread. As such, it is impossible to put together a traditional case. So I'm going to go with my gut right now and build a case on hunch. Devin has indeed posted and his posts were indeed enlightening. I'm voting Devin.

Wally would have not have tried to imprison Devin before because the role was vacant. Someone apparently targeted Girder last night. It was Devin and Long Con who mentioned that Girder was in play last night. They were in tune with what happened. Good odds that one of them could be Girder. And again, we see the failed kills happening now, with Devin in the game and his role now logically targeted.

I believe there is about a 75% chance Devin is Girder and that role cannot be nk'd.

voting devin

What happened then to make you change your mind? Why did you not pursue it after that?

[timmer]

I didn't think TH was the top at the time, I thought he was Wally. And I f forgot all about it once the lynch happened, TH flipped bad, my brain moved on, because why assume abaddie targeted a baddie? Contrary to what some people say, im often NOT smart and I often miss the obvious. Combine my posts from that day with the hosts own pay, it's clear as day and I missed it. But lc made me realize it!

[FZ.]

You said MR answered some questions that eased your mind. Does this have to do with CC's kills?

[FZ.]

I'm asking because we now know that SVS was an OR. We're still left with the theory which would allow only 1 OR to be a live. How do we resolve that? Because I really want to believe you, but there is evidence against you

[timmer]

You said MR answered some questions that eased your mind. Does this have to do with CC's kills?

They touched on that, but I've got followup questions all pending. That's mostly resolved in my mind but not all of the way yet.

[timmer]

Ill tell you the biggest thing worrying me right now. Svs, who we know we can trust, said that there was recruiting going on. She wouldn't lie about it. So it is entirely possible that there are people who are proving a role whose alignment has actually changed. Ìm not sure where to go with that, but it adds another layer to this clusterfuck. Consider that when you with the "evidrnce" against me.