The Syndicate

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

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Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:25 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:22 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:12 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:10 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:44 pm lmao why are we not blasting TonyStarkPrime, we're all agreeing on that

wait what

what do you think of alison?

I lost the ability to track this game with whatever happened this morning. Did someone retract their save of epi? was there a save on carot?

as per the scum team, has alison/dunya been disqualified? seems strong.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:06 pm alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

I hard disagree. Alison feels not listened to.

are you an alien TMIing town defences to everyone?

because i can't understand how you think alison feels not listened to, and yet alison's unmoving 100% stance on carot is engaging in any way or has any townie paranoia.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.

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protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town"

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:33 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:10 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:06 pm alison feels threatened, it's very apparent in the shift of her tone even.

^this

I hard disagree. Alison feels not listened to.

are you an alien TMIing town defences to everyone?

because i can't understand how you think alison feels not listened to, and yet alison's unmoving 100% stance on carot is engaging in any way or has any townie paranoia.

Alison never got any info for them to clear carotenoid. In their case it's the opposite. They kept finding incriminating evidence. They kept making case. Entirely consistent imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.

Spoiler: show

Equus!

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:48 pmBye

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:51 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.

Spoiler: show

Equus!

lmao

@JaggedJimmyJay @Sloonei

this is awesome.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:48 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town"

how does anyone get confirmed town status in this setup through night actions?

like, it's literally impossible because even if one townie clears another, no one has to believe that townie.

you're setting impossibly high standards here and kinda nitpicking on choice of words. the game of mafia is intuition more than it is hard cold facts that we don't always have. probability says to T!Carot that she saved a T!Epi when on an even numbered night only one kill goes through. it's not hard or farfetched to deduce that.

this is like me coming in and willingly putting myself into that pool of suspects who saved nutella by claiming after the event that i did save nutella. i had nothing to gain from being honest about how i used my bunkershot, and everything to lose.

carot has way more paranoia and things to lose than if W!Carot had not made that play. this isn't even taking into consideration dead player analysis, her communication with soneji and rej.

carot is town. i'm sure of that.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:53 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:54 pm I feel like you are hard defending partner now. This game is so confusing.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:52 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:48 pmBye

What?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:52 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

But do we wish avoiding a 2 page discussion? I'm personally happy with the outcome of this whole thing because it comforts me a lot on my read of Alison.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:55 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:53 pm

me, mac, jjj and sloonei originally played mafia on rateyourmusic.com. we played with equus, who mapped a game out exactly like that and posted her notes for us. it just is too funny and reminds us of her. i miss her a lot, actually.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:43 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:35 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:03 pm hey proto I have some solid proof I'm town

are you ready to see it?

I mean yes unless it helps aliens.

Look, this is how I did the second part of my mechanic predictions. It has been in my backpocket for a whole day now.

Spoiler: show

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:52 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

But do we wish avoiding a 2 page discussion? I'm personally happy with the outcome of this whole thing because it comforts me a lot on my read of Alison.

."if caro flips alien, look to Alison's analysis for who partners are"

I don't think Alison makes a case based on your claim if you said it differently.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:03 pm @Carotenoid

French is your native tongue and you live in france?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:20 pm I am struggling to believe that these two highlighted items are genuine thoughts that exist within your mind simultaneously.

You suggest that the aliens would be dumb to shoot me due to a higher likelihood of being protected...and yet you're also suggesting that Carotenoid deliberately shot someone who absolutely would be protected in order to pretend I got capped?

Do I have that right?
...

Do you believe the aliens have shot at nutella previously given that we are announcing our intentions in the thread to protect her?

And if the aliens have never shot at nutella, then why would they start now?

1) I'm suggesting that, prima facie, any wolf team here would take into account the likelihood of their targets being protected when selecting their shots. This is why I think town Carotenoid would have considered it and therefore not immediately jumped to conclusions. But I think that in this game the wolf team here did in fact try to make a play to fake clear one of their members, in which case the whole point is for the shot to fail. So yes, I think wolf teams in general would think about the likelihood about their shot failing and not just immediately lock in Epi/proto (which we know for a fact they didn't) - but under my theory, there is a specific reason for the wolf team to be okay with their shot failing - namely, that it opens up the fake protection claim for them.

2) They would start now because there is a specific reason for them to do so. Shooting nutella before today gains them nothing except whiffing a kill. Shooting nutella on Night 4 specifically gives them a powerful claim to try to win the endgame with.

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:03 pm @Carotenoid

French is your native tongue and you live in france?

Yes and no, I'm from Quebec Canada ^^

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:21 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:19 pm There is absolutely 0 reason to take Caro out from your PoE. You are being pocketed like crazy and will be humiliated postgame for locking a townread on scum who slipped in front of your face.

wow lol that's some aggressive wording. fwiw, i'm never humiliated in mafia; if i'm fooled, i tip my hat to them.

also you're kinda tming about me.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:23 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:17 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:53 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm because nutella has repeatedly expressed that she believes Mac to be town strongly for reasons pertaining to the Hally kill

i don't think that's even accurate. she said she doesn't think mac would do it, but it's not concrete.

your mind-twin assumed that if i'm shot and flip town, nutella would shoot mac next who she town reads now but would scum read if i am town. @protocultures, correct?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:47 pm and then all I have to do is prove that I'm townier than either Tony or Carot and scum loses the game.

how does Alison do that?

Not sure what you are asking me. Like I didn't understand your sacrifice plan for info because I couldn't work out what you thought the info would be on you flipping town.i asked you a few times and kind of didnt specify.

So from my perspective we should blast into either Mac or Dunya. If one of alien, can consider leaving the other alive. Consider it and look elsewhere. If one is town, I'm all for blasting the other one. I don't think Nutella likes that idea though and you guys are talking about your reads on what Nutella might do.

Like if Dunya alien, blast TSP. If Dunya town blast Mac.
If Mac town, blast Dunya. If Mac alien, prob don't blast TSP. Prob have to look at Dunya/Caro/Alison.

Something like that is my personal flowchart

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:06 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:03 pm @Carotenoid

French is your native tongue and you live in france?

Yes and no, I'm from Quebec Canada ^^

what is your mother tongue

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:55 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:53 pm

me, mac, jjj and sloonei originally played mafia on rateyourmusic.com. we played with equus, who mapped a game out exactly like that and posted her notes for us. it just is too funny and reminds us of her. i miss her a lot, actually.

She was mafia and used it to miskill me to win the game when I was a 3p too.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:05 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 4:14 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 3:20 pm I am struggling to believe that these two highlighted items are genuine thoughts that exist within your mind simultaneously.

You suggest that the aliens would be dumb to shoot me due to a higher likelihood of being protected...and yet you're also suggesting that Carotenoid deliberately shot someone who absolutely would be protected in order to pretend I got capped?

Do I have that right?
...

Do you believe the aliens have shot at nutella previously given that we are announcing our intentions in the thread to protect her?

And if the aliens have never shot at nutella, then why would they start now?

1) I'm suggesting that, prima facie, any wolf team here would take into account the likelihood of their targets being protected when selecting their shots. This is why I think town Carotenoid would have considered it and therefore not immediately jumped to conclusions. But I think that in this game the wolf team here did in fact try to make a play to fake clear one of their members, in which case the whole point is for the shot to fail. So yes, I think wolf teams in general would think about the likelihood about their shot failing and not just immediately lock in Epi/proto (which we know for a fact they didn't) - but under my theory, there is a specific reason for the wolf team to be okay with their shot failing - namely, that it opens up the fake protection claim for them.

2) They would start now because there is a specific reason for them to do so. Shooting nutella before today gains them nothing except whiffing a kill. Shooting nutella on Night 4 specifically gives them a powerful claim to try to win the endgame with.

Nah.

Why not just shoot, say sabie and you?

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:01 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:52 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

But do we wish avoiding a 2 page discussion? I'm personally happy with the outcome of this whole thing because it comforts me a lot on my read of Alison.

."if caro flips alien, look to Alison's analysis for who partners are"

I don't think Alison makes a case based on your claim if you said it differently.

I think she still does

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:07 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:06 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:04 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:03 pm @Carotenoid

French is your native tongue and you live in france?

Yes and no, I'm from Quebec Canada ^^

what is your mother tongue

you think in french, you dream in french etc but can speak english perfectly because Canada. Correct?

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:13 pm

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Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:01 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:57 pm

Carotenoid wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:52 pm

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:39 pm I feel ... Like the wheels are falling off a bit now. This is a whole different ballpark from " confirmed town" and if you just had said what you said above at the beginning, a 2 page discussion is probably avoided.

I prob move carotenoid up with Dunya and Mac as all equally valid targets. Haven't considered carotenoids partners in depth since I had been townreading them all game. I'd probably follow Alison's case for who partners are if Caro is lasered and flips town.

But do we wish avoiding a 2 page discussion? I'm personally happy with the outcome of this whole thing because it comforts me a lot on my read of Alison.

."if caro flips alien, look to Alison's analysis for who partners are"

I don't think Alison makes a case based on your claim if you said it differently.

I think she still does

Now who is trying to put 2 pages of discussion into someone's mouth

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:19 pm okay, so then I query why your notes on the paper are in english and not french.

I suspect its a fake if I had to choose GTH. Sorry.

Its in english for us to read it and townread you.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:19 pm okay, so then I query why your notes on the paper are in english and not french.

I suspect its a fake if I had to choose GTH. Sorry.

Its in english for us to read it and townread you.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:20 pm this is dumb

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:19 pm okay, so then I query why your notes on the paper are in english and not french.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

protocultures wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:24 pm extraterrestres is not the same though

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 6:27 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:28 pm Like seriously, I came into the thread last night, saw epi and mac fighting, thought "oh great this again" and haven't bothered to catch up since.

That lasted like fifteen minutes.

Please.