Modern Family Hydra Mafia [GAME END]

[Akemi Hazelnut]

The good news is that I now believe Mana/BT can't be wolves together.

So either one of them is scum with TSPIC or I am being snowed by one of my townreads.

[Mana]

i'm not really understanding the point behind why claiming that role is wolfy

If BT is wolf, then the benefit of saying you targeted someone at someone else is you get info on 3 different town's PR if you push them to claim like BT pushed us.

[Akemi Hazelnut]

@TonyStarkPlaysItCool fullclaim

I'm going to make dinner so I won't be around for a bit

[Bottom Text]

The good news is that I now believe Mana/BT can't be wolves together.

So either one of them is scum with TSPIC or I am being snowed by one of my townreads.

what are your reasons for town reading c4/nook

[Akemi Hazelnut]

A strongman seems weird but

Maybe, if we're all town?

More likely one of you is mafia I think

There’s Def a scum between You/TR/Poop.
Due to Poop’s recent content, I’m leaning there.

-Toopy

Poop opened SOD by shutting down a bunch of bullshit arguments when he could have easily rode them and laughed if he was wolf. In fact he is vastly more likely to do that if he is wolf because he enjoys watching towns self destruct.

+ the fact that iirc he claimed bodyguard of his own accord without any pressure on him, which would lock him into a potentially very risky claim early D2 without seeing anyone else's claim. Plus the fact that he's just been townie on play in general.

[trans rights]

i'm not really understanding the point behind why claiming that role is wolfy

If BT is wolf, then the benefit of saying you targeted someone at someone else is you get info on 3 different town's PR if you push them to claim like BT pushed us.

i don't think they would've known that your action failed though? so this seems like hindsight bias

[Toopy and Binoo]

akemi - x1 tracker, tracked mana n1, no result
bottom text - x1 bus driver, redirected actions from akemi onto mana
julinooks - x? jailer, used their ability on akemi, causing akemi/mana's actions to fail
mana - x1 watcher, watched akemi n1, no result
poop explosions - x2 bg, holstered n1, protected akemi n2
tspic - unclaimed
toopy & binoo - x1 medium, used on two and through n1
trans rights - x1 commuter, holstered n1 and n2

these should be the claims, correct me if wrong

Nice, I'll bookmark this lol

@Toopy and Binoo You have your claims confused, Mana is claiming one-shot watcher not one-shot tracker. What makes you believe their claim?

Oh, my B. And I believe their claim, unless the JK claim is faked & Mana coordinated w/ them (which I don't think is the case, unless someone in town has claimed another protective role). Balance-wise, a one-shot JK makes a lot of sense for town, and a watcher doesn't make sense for mafia in a game full of one-shots lol. Only use of a watcher in this game imo is verifying others' claims, or finding scum if you can figure out who's getting shot.

I guess a quick question before I go on (as my suspicion or acceptance of Mana's claim is highly dependent upon game balance): is there a consolidated list of claims we've made yet? I've gotten a bit mixed up w/ how decentralized they all are. If not, I can try to look through & draw one up.

Why can't Mana be a random wolf role w/ feedback that got roleblocked by town Nanook?

Know what, that's actually completely valid now that I think about it. Since the JK claim doesn't necessarily validate Mana's claim, it just validates that they have an active role.

Scratch that, I'm leaning Mana maf. Not gonna put a vote down just in case they're town, since putting someone at L-3 is dangerous now.

It's also good to note that if T&T was Town, one of BT/Mana/Akemi are scum. BT's been in alpha strike range for well over 3 hours now assuming 3 scum lol

[Mana]

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

is Dana even posting btw? She was extremely obvious town in aim mafia. Where'd she go?

She's not, but she'll be around eventually to push us further into hekka town territory

[trans rights]

like bottom text claims to redirect actions from one target to another

they claim the person they redirected actions to was mana. they claimed who they redirected the actions from.

how does this extort information from villager pr's other than just yourself mana?

[Bottom Text]

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

is Dana even posting btw? She was extremely obvious town in aim mafia. Where'd she go?

She's not, but she'll be around eventually to push us further into hekka town territory

how often has she posted this game?

[trans rights]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

[Mana]

[VOTE: Mana] aubergine

is Dana even posting btw? She was extremely obvious town in aim mafia. Where'd she go?

She's not, but she'll be around eventually to push us further into hekka town territory

how often has she posted this game?

she posted the most on Day 1, day 2 and after was mostly me, but that's because Dana thought D2 ended today

[Mana]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.

[Bottom Text]

what did people think of danas posts while she was around?

@Julinook @Poop Explosions (Mac)

[Julinook]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.

They basically did

[Julinook]

what did people think of danas posts while she was around?

@Julinook @Poop Explosions (Mac)

They seemed fine, not really enough of them

[Bottom Text]

what did people think of danas posts while she was around?

@Julinook @Poop Explosions (Mac)

They seemed fine, not really enough of them

compared to aim?

[Toopy and Binoo]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

[Bottom Text]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.

They basically did

i didn't hide it super well on D2 (mostly on purpose so i didnt get accused of faking it, but i did throw a curveball or two iirc) and claimed it today yes

[Bottom Text]

why was there not much Dana was doing? she gave a full reads list like basically sod in aim.

[trans rights]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.

They basically did

well they only officially claimed it on d3 and didn't yesterday.

who are the 3 pr's that bottom text are supposedly getting info with their claim made? i know you now think your read is faulty but i want to know of how you came to that conclusion.

[Julinook]

what did people think of danas posts while she was around?

@Julinook @Poop Explosions (Mac)

They seemed fine, not really enough of them

compared to aim?

Yeah

By fine I mean "not obviously mafia"

[Mana]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

[Bottom Text]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

why do you think poop is a wolf

[trans rights]

yeah i don't think a team of 3 makes sense from my perspective unless that team of 3 is poop explosions/akemi/x

[trans rights]

i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

wait why

~mawile

[Mana]

sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.

They basically did

well they only officially claimed it on d3 and didn't yesterday.

who are the 3 pr's that bottom text are supposedly getting info with their claim made? i know you now think your read is faulty but i want to know of how you came to that conclusion.

it was an incomplete thought, the thought was 3 people are effected by their role: me, the person "X" who they targeted, and the person we actually targeted. The thought didn't really go further than "huh, if 3 people, then 3 roles of information!!!"

[Mana]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

why do you think poop is a wolf

I'm really not sure tbh, I didn't take good notes there and i'm kinda brain dead atm. I'll answer this tomorrow
gonna do this just in case
[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

[trans rights]

not sure how to process that incomplete thought.

[Mana]

throwing this out there, scum in a game like this could be coasting. When i wake up i'mma try to focus outside of Poop/AkeH/Bottom Text just cuz they've all voted/have votes.

[trans rights]

Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)

Spoiler: show

I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile

[Mana]

not sure how to process that incomplete thought.

I tried and failed, probably best to leave it be. Feel free to make reads on my slot based off of it or w/e tho

[Toopy and Binoo]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

Okay then, what're your thoughts on possible scumteams right now? Since you think they're equally likely, please give one for scum!BT and one for scum!Poop. Thanks!

- Binoo

[trans rights]

i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.

Why do i hate this post aaaa

if it helps i do too

~mawile

[trans rights]

well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic

[Bottom Text]

Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)

Spoiler: show

I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile

I have a solution to you hating being wrong. It's called town reading my slot and being right

[Mana]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

Okay then, what're your thoughts on possible scumteams right now? Since you think they're equally likely, please give one for scum!BT and one for scum!Poop. Thanks!

- Binoo

each other lol. Outside of them, i can't think of a reason off the top that TR and BT can't be teammates, but i really rather not tinfoil TR yet cuz i trust them, and don't have reason not to. Poop/TPIC could be a thing too

[trans rights]

yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.

[Bottom Text]

yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.

who is it that's posting this

[Bottom Text]

tbh i think ive distanced from everybody well enough that i cannot reasonably be W/W with literally anyone

ergo im a villager

ez

[trans rights]

yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.

who is it that's posting this

it's vanity

[Bottom Text]

tbh i think ive distanced from everybody well enough that i cannot reasonably be W/W with literally anyone

ergo im a villager

ez

oh shit is this where we pull the "who are my teammates?!?!?!" card? I'm down

[trans rights]

Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)

Spoiler: show

I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile

I have a solution to you hating being wrong. It's called town reading my slot and being right

that'd be too easy

~mawile

[Bottom Text]

yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.

who is it that's posting this

it's vanity

I was gonna say Mist wouldn't do random world of 3 solving that realistically doesn't push a wolf team forward except to get solving town cred

But you would I think so lol no town cred for you

[Bottom Text]

Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)

Spoiler: show

I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile

I have a solution to you hating being wrong. It's called town reading my slot and being right

that'd be too easy

~mawile

The alternative is see how much of a BEACON of towniness I am now that Katze is gone and I have replaced her

The THIRD alternative is "who are my teammates?!?!?!?!"

The FOURTH alternative is a fake meta read people love making on me that goes along the lines of "Esooa likes wolfing so her being low presence is town indicative"

The FIFTH alternative is uhhh, let me think of something else

OH THIS ONE'S ACTUALLY GOOD

There's no world of 3 = TaT is wolf = I'm town

[Julinook]

well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic

Um

You can't build a world of three but you also think me and AH aren't mafia together because I'd use my jk on a third partner?


@Bottom Text can you make a butterfly man "is this tmi?" Meme for me plz I'm too tired

[Toopy and Binoo]

fuck okay, yeah Nutellason might just be town. the night kill just doesn't make sense coming from them

From your repeated conclusion that one of Akemi/Poop must be scum in D2, shouldn't you be pushing Poop instead of BT right now?

Yes, but the slot left thread and nobody is helping me push them . BT or Poop i think equally could be bad at this point i'm going after which of the two thread distrust most

Okay then, what're your thoughts on possible scumteams right now? Since you think they're equally likely, please give one for scum!BT and one for scum!Poop. Thanks!

- Binoo

each other lol. Outside of them, i can't think of a reason off the top that TR and BT can't be teammates, but i really rather not tinfoil TR yet cuz i trust them, and don't have reason not to. Poop/TPIC could be a thing too

So BT/Poop? I'll look through later to see if they have any interactions (or lack thereof) that look odd.

Another possibility is if we NL toDay; Loverizer's dead so I don't think scum can multi-kill (unless they just haven't used an ability that gives them an extra KP), so it'd narrow the playing field & reduce the chance of a ML. Only problem is I'm not sure if a NL is allowed (since it's majority, and I didn't see anything in the rules about voting for not lynching). At the very least we'd be going into this with more info.

- Binoo

[trans rights]

well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic

Um

You can't build a world of three but you also think me and AH aren't mafia together because I'd use my jk on a third partner?


@Bottom Text can you make a butterfly man "is this tmi?" Meme for me plz I'm too tired

and why are those 2 things mutually exclusive?

[Bottom Text]

well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic

Um

You can't build a world of three but you also think me and AH aren't mafia together because I'd use my jk on a third partner?


@Bottom Text can you make a butterfly man "is this tmi?" Meme for me plz I'm too tired

u made me pause a hades run for this

[Toopy and Binoo]

I really wanna Poop on Poop!
A nice big one, just for them!

-Toopy